Curse

frickett · Oct 11, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

A lot of people say that monks shouldnt bring rez, but I always bring a rez of some sort. Never know when you might need it.

SpeedyKQ · Oct 11, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

PVE-wise, rebirth is the right skill for a monk to take 90% of the time. It often lets you run away and completely recover from a near party-wipe.

The only time rebirth is dumb is if you are defending an area or NPC and can't run away, such as THK, Vizunah Square, Defend North Kryta, etc. Then resurrect is the right call.

bryann380 · Oct 11, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

In PvE groups, there's no excuse for not bringing a rez. This goes for ALL professions. You never know when something may go wrong, the party dies and it's up to you to help get them back on their feet.

My monk always takes Ressurection Chant (sometimes Rebirth, depending on the area). All my other 6 characters are monk secondary and does the exact same thing.

NinjaKai · Oct 11, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Most experienced monks expect players in their team to bring a rez sig. With it's 3 second cast time they can rez someone quickly. If a monk is busy rez-ing someone with their hard rez, that's 6 seconds minimum that they're not healing.

Also a monk should rarely use rebirth. It drops your energy to zero when you use it. The only way around this is to switch to an empty skill slot, then rebirth, but it still drops your energy a lot.

Because of the grief monks get from new or noob players when they don't bring a rez, I usually take rez chant or ressurect.

Agreed monks shouldn't be spending time using a res skill to bring players back in the middle of battle. If the team was ganked and your the only one left. Then its a different matter.

Metsa Pille · Oct 11, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

In Prophecies, when i played on a friend's account, i had a few instances such as this. Not very drastic though.
In Factions, on my own account, i am (for some odd reason) always accompanied by a res signet. Even when i'm henching.
There have been a few pvp occasions on random arena though. In the beginning of the fight i say that i don't have res (if i even have to say that) and then later on people start cursing me and whatnot about how stupid i am and whatnot. God i love those people. Make me feel all warm and cuddly inside!

Dri Tera · Oct 11, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Never said it, since I never use all my skills in my skill-bar, I always have rez with me, I only use about 5 of the skills in my skillbar most of the time, the other 2 are just some things that come in handy at some times and the 8th skill is always rez, never went without it... except at pre-searing...

dansamy · Oct 11, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Boon Prot = no res
Bonder = no res
FoW/UW = Unyielding Aura or Rebirth
WoH/BLight/etc = situational
If I am not carrying a res, I do inform the party & ensure that there are adequate resses elsewhere.

pigdestroyer · Oct 11, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

you guys are the worst pack of pve scrubs I've ever seen

crimsonfilms · Oct 11, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

REbirth is stupid most of the time for monks in PvE.
If your group needed THE monk to Rebirth you after a near wipe in PvE, find another group. For crying out loud- kiting is not only for monks.

Anyway, when will the monk will be able to use Rebirth? Only after near wipe - which should be prevented to begin with.
Unfortunately, most PvErs will only run back until near wipe already happened. This is why PvErs think Rebirth is good on monks - because the rest of the team can't keep themselves alive. They EXPECT the monk to fix the mistake they made. Instead of retreating and kiting back (including the 'tanks') - most people will happily take the beating since they know Rebirth is on the monks. It is a crutch for people who fail to understand kiting and retreating at proper times.

Trying to rebirth during battle for a monk is just idiotic (read the description).

Midline and tanks should always carry res. This allows the monk to keep the healing up.

You don't have to carry res in PvE, but that must be coordinated with the entire party. If not, assume and bring res.

Seriously some of the responses here is why PvErs have such bad rep in GW.

dansamy · Oct 11, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22

FYI, when I carry Rebirth, it's because I am in a PuG and expect typical PuG behavior including "duh! we have monks, they'll heal me so I don't have to move". I am also the first to get the heck out of dodge if trouble comes up and I have rebirth and dont know who else has what resses.

crimsonfilms · Oct 11, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

True dansamy.

It goes to my point that Rebirth on monks is somekind of fix for idiotic behavior.
("Run back monk so you can res us")

Unfortunately, it promotes it instead of fixing it.

Mouse at Large · Oct 11, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Once took a rez sig by mistake instead of a cap sig when going for Obsidian Flesh - oh how my Guildies laughed......

Eviance · Oct 11, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

It's just as bad when playing tank and you go, OOPS this armor isn't infused Q_Q

*apologised to guild profusely*

But to my credit I almost always carry rebirth in pve - I mean you never know when aggro is going to be uber stupid and have the range of 3 aggro bubbles away >_>

Honor · Oct 11, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Rarely ever, with PUGs or guildies never unless we dont have a monk for some reason for the healing. I've noticed in my time playing (currently hanging in Abbodu mouth(crappy spelling I know)) that with a good healer and some self responsibilty that you shouldn't need it. Monks prob should carry it especially with PUGs or uncertain guildies, because there is always some momo who doesnt pay attention to the retreat ping. Unless it is timed with a cut scene, but that's different.

*Darcy* · Oct 11, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

All my characters carry a form of self-heal. I consider it my responsibility to keep myself alive. If I get blind-sided or make a dumb decision in the heat of battle and die, that's my fault.

I've always thought it was a monk's job to keep the "party" alive. He is the one who decides which other player is the most urgent/required heal. And if the party wipes through its own stupidity and the monk leaves - he/she has my thanks, because by then I usually feel like I'm caught in a neverending nightmare.

You know, I don't remember from that mission attempt whether the monk was still there among the dead. Players were yelling to rez him, but he might have been gone.

Eviance · Oct 11, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Well understandably crap happens sometimes and its always great to be prepared for those "oh crap" moments. Whats worse is a wammo wanting to share the love (even after he has been rezed once already and told not to share) and then being pissed when you leave him dead! Why we carried him through the mission I will never know, but the rest of the PUGs didn't want to restart so yeah -_-

SpeedyKQ · Oct 11, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

REbirth is stupid most of the time for monks in PvE.
If your group needed THE monk to Rebirth you after a near wipe in PvE, find another group. For crying out loud- kiting is not only for monks.

Anyway, when will the monk will be able to use Rebirth? Only after near wipe - which should be prevented to begin with.

Not at all. You can use rebirth to pick someone up after a fight, just like every other res. It just has the added bonus of ALSO letting you pick someone up after a retreat. (And not all retreats are near-wipes.) None of the others do that, so it is the best choice. (Unless retreat is impossible.)

I grant that a good group will let you get away with running a different res, but a good group will let you get away with lots of suboptimal things.

And forgive me, but when I'm monking I prefer to make my current group succeed, rather than let them die so I can find a better group. I'm funny like that.

wingzro · Oct 11, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

no second monks in any groups or something? if 1 should be able to heal a party, then 2 should be able to heal and rez, in theory. should either of them be the first to rez, no, but if no one else is going to and it's safe to do so, why not do it rather than waste time.

Quid Pro Quo · Oct 11, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I only bring rez on my Necromancer.

Coolniceronguy · Oct 12, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

You are not alone, Darcy. Every now and again, I leave outpost without reallocating my attribute points, when I radically change my build.

As for the rest of you guys... this was a discussion about personal screwups, not about the "Philosophy of the Rez".