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LifeInfusion · Oct 21, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

It's a step in the wrong direction. Titles shouldn't affect anything...just emotes.

It basically promotes farming and grind. If a player grinds more, they get more benefits. What's up with that?

Grind not skill?

shaolin mind trick · Oct 21, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Wow, was surprised when I saw this, thought it was something that you would just never see in GW. I'm not against perks to go with titles, but they should be cosmetic, not affecting acutal game play. I truly hope this doesn't actually happen...

Alfrond · Oct 21, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

The truth is, they will.
Examples:
-certain farming guilds won't allow people in unless they have friend of luxons/kurzicks
-most pvp HA groups or guilds won't let people join unless they're certain rank or above
-some successful mission+bonus groups require the player to show some sort of title proving (maybe mapping, or other protector title) that they know what they're doing
-almost all groups discriminate against assassins and mesmers because of their skillset and lack of damage/tanking in pve

If a person with a certain title gets to deal more damage than another, the other will be seen as inferior (kind of like assassin to a tank, or mesmer to an echo nuker) and not accepted into some groups. Just being able to show titles is already causing discrimination, and allowing the titles to have effects will cause even more discrimination. Too bad for starters, eh?

To be honest, I haven't seen some of the discrimination you cite. From the faction farming guilds I've seen, all they care about is having warm bodies who can donate faction. Titles don't help hold cities. Neither have I seen many mission+bonus groups requiring a title. While some individuals and groups my engage in this behavior, I'm not convinced its as widespread as you seem to imply. Of course, your HA comment is correct becuase of the more competetive nature that exists in pvp and your assassin mesmer comment is correct because of the preference many PUGs have for tried and true builds (also know as cookie-cutter), but these insights don't condemn titles or Nightfall's titles with benefits.

Seriously, I don't think these new added effects are gonna change pve much. PvE just isn't as competetive as pvp (as far as I've seen), and I really don't think the majority of groups are gonna care that much about what your titles are. Some real hard core pvers might, but their numbers will probably be too small to ruin your fun. Personally, I'm excited about this change as it gives us some neat new reasons to gain titles. I'm all for additions to gameplay

Starsky-sama · Oct 21, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

>sounds nice. since it's all new to the game.

>I like the sound of the "extra bonus" on titles. (like a few have mentioned. I would have liked it more if it was emote/decorative-like extras, rather than "special skills". as rank has caused "ruckus" already, this kinda just fuels a similar thing.)

>Personally though, heroes/henchies/friends/guildies are around so no biggie really. It will just entice us to hunt for it and /hf.

>I'll wait to judge things when it's been implemented.

>"selling it as a service" if it ever comes to that. Who would really trust a complete stranger to do something like that for you (I wouldnt - even if they they were well known in the community). enough types of scamming going on.
you just know this would create a nightmare for anet, if you take it word for word as it was described for now. (They surely will have some control or "nerf" to it. you betcha!

)

added:

an speculation: a (scary?) thought on "inscriptions itself"....they will be "customized" to that character** making the item locked and unusable by another except heroes....adding an inscription will auto customize that wep/item to specific character.../speculation...

/runaway.

**and not referring it to title bonus. I think/hope there will still be a normal inscription system for non "wisdom" titled characters.

good speculation: like as it said, it raises the chance% of not destroying the item when taking the inscription/salvage part out. meaning, this "bonus" may just affect the chance% of the wep/item you are salvaging to be destroyed or not destroyed during the process, & not the chance% of taking out the mod you want. (since it has been stated on diff article(s) that the new system will give you the ability to choose what mod you want to take out.)
/speculation.

quote from the Insider: "...you’ll actually have a chance of successfully removing a magic component, like a Fiery Sword Hilt, without destroying the item it’s attached to. The Wisdom title (earned by identifying items) will improve your ability to do this."

/phew.

/imo.

Cacheelma · Oct 21, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Feme Assassin

Plz dont make the game like lineage

This crack me up a little, mainly because I can imagine exactly what it would be if this is Lineage 2. Because when something new is introduced into Lineage 2, it also comes with at least 3 pages of overly-complicated rules.

gg.

On-topic. From what I've learned about Anet, they'll end up making sure these new features acceptable for everyone.

For example, the lightbringer title, you guys are worried because it will cause pug elitism. Well, true, but your whole point will be moot if the title is easy to get AND only has 1 rank, won't it?

Also, the wisdom title, is it so bad to have some better chances at salvaging some MODS from items? Sure, it will drive prices of stuff down. So what? Green drop weekend also did that.

And the point of grinding in order to get the wisdom ability, well... as I said, does it really hurt to not have that ability? Consider the city-holding feature in Factions, you have to grind in order to gain access to some exclusive stuff as well (The Deep, Urgoz and discount from a merchant).

Sure, you take a ferry to these elite missions. But then again, you can ask your friends to salvage for you, as well.

See? Nothing new here.

Solar Light · Oct 21, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

my assumption based on present data

Lightbringer = Sunspear rank

both NF story titles

Natural story progression will result in the average person having like ranks to everyone else.

discrimination will likley be minimal, anet will probalby have limits on title grind, look at the sunspear ranks, the con orders for points shut off after certien rank advancements.

TadaceAce · Oct 21, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

I'm all for the lightbringer and wisdom titles, as long as they make them account wide. You know if you don't people will just have to transfer items to salvage and stuff. Lightbringer would just be lame to have to do over and over again or be limited to playing only certain chars in some areas.

Thallandor · Oct 21, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I like it good job Anet. Keep up the good work. I am sure NF sales will far exceed both GWP and GWF.

Titles like much of all things in GW are optional and not essential when it come to to PvE much like 15k/FoW armour and gold weapons. You spend the time if you decide to get them no one is forcing your hand.

Edit: Those worried about PuG Elitism, What PUG? that term will probably and hopefully die with NF.

Kha · Oct 21, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Solar Light

Lightbringer = Sunspear rank

both NF story titles

Natural story progression will result in the average person having like ranks to everyone else.

I picture Lightbringer as the Nightfall version (so to say) of Faction's Celestial Skills. It seems like the title would be something that is supposed to be achieved, not something that can be achieved for those that work at it.

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

I'm all for the lightbringer and wisdom titles, as long as they make them account wide. You know if you don't people will just have to transfer items to salvage and stuff. Lightbringer would just be lame to have to do over and over again or be limited to playing only certain chars in some areas.

Agreed completely.

sindex · Oct 21, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

It’s up in the air for me (50/50) because I look at this way when activated Titles= PvE cheats and may give an unfair advantage to some. However if it affects certain things that are belittled in PvE like movement and jump in attributes for short time period (like factions god rez-shrines when that certain territory had favor) it’s kind of good I guess.

P.S. I’ve got one a title= less or no damage from the afflicted after they die; I just wanted to add that to be innovative, if this whole title thing does happen.

Desires · Oct 21, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Its funny how many people were taking my fun example of Rank 9=free iway seriously. I was merely poking fun at iway.

Scutilla · Oct 21, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Alright, I'm not going to complain about the effects themselves. It's too early and we have very little info so far, I'll reserve judgment until I've seen how it plays out in post-release.

What I don't like is that it forces people to have a specific title active. For example: I have Tyrian Grandmaster Cartographer on my ranger. It's not the biggest achivement in the world, but it's fairly significant, and I'm proud of it.

Let's say that 2 weeks after release I beat the game and earn Rank 5 Lightbringer (however I would do that). Now, every time I leave town, I have to choose between turning off my TGMC title and turning LB on, or leaving TGMC on and not being as powerful as I could with LB.

My point is, I shouldn't have to sacrifice bragging rights (which is what titles were about originally) for stat buffs. Maybe if the bonuses were active regardless of what title you were displaying?

seut · Oct 21, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Effects for character based titles benefit players with one or only few chars. Unfortunately i have currently 6 pve chars each with about 120+ identified items, from now i have to shuffle the rares i get to one main identifier char to get the title's effect

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Phoebe · Oct 21, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Hopefully each character's wisdom titles will be merged into an account wide wisdom title.

Starsky-sama · Oct 21, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by Scutilla

Let's say that 2 weeks after release I beat the game and earn Rank 5 Lightbringer (however I would do that). Now, every time I leave town, I have to choose between turning off my TGMC title and turning LB on, or leaving TGMC on and not being as powerful as I could with LB.

My point is, I shouldn't have to sacrifice bragging rights (which is what titles were about originally) for stat buffs. Maybe if the bonuses were active regardless of what title you were displaying?

Well. current titles do only show intown...maybe they're gonna make these new titles w/ bonuses displayable both outside/inside?

I dont think you will have to sacrifice bragging rights.

Kha · Oct 21, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Now for thoughts on the titles. Nobody has mentioned this, but there might be some relation to needing a certain rank of the demonslayer title to farm them...? Who knows.

A mod... suggesting that? And yet you complain about how people are making ridiculous speculations :P

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Originally Posted by Desires

Its funny how many people were taking my fun example of Rank 9=free iway seriously. I was merely poking fun at iway.

I quoted yours to show the ridiculousness of some of the speculations here. I'd hope no one seriously would suggest such a power to a title. But the truth is that some of the guesses at certain titles are just quite sad and show how little faith people have in ANet. It also shows how people don't seem to understand the extents of balance in Guild Wars, nor do they most likely appreciate it.

-Loki- · Oct 21, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

I really don't see an issue with this. As long as they keep bonus damage/armour titles against humans/pets/spirits out of PvP, there's no real issue. People who play alot of PvE would have highish ranks in things like wisdom already, and will get the Lightbringer/Sunspear ranks relatively quickly if the preview event was any example. For PvP players, well, you have your chosen gameplay type getting it's own changes and benefits making grinding PvE unneccesary (multiple armoursets and more than 2 weapons per character, anyone?). So long as these things don't make too much of a huge impact on PvE (like, for example, the chance to salvage without destroying the weapon was never guaranteed, and went up to a 30% chance or so - 10% per level) then it's not going to cause any more PvE elitism (lol?) than there already is.

Arkantos · Oct 21, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

I'm all for the lightbringer and wisdom titles, as long as they make them account wide. You know if you don't people will just have to transfer items to salvage and stuff. Lightbringer would just be lame to have to do over and over again or be limited to playing only certain chars in some areas.

Before this, I was against making titles account wide. With this new feature, I think it would be a great idea now. 100% agreed.

icedragon981 · Oct 21, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Before this, I was against making titles account wide. With this new feature, I think it would be a great idea now. 100% agreed.

Personally, I myself hate single-character-based titles. I have 5 (soon to be 6 (Paragon)) different PvE characters who (If I wanted to display a certain title) would have to be switched between constantly to get a certain title only to lose those bragging rights if I were to switch to one of my newer PvE characters.

My Necromancer is by far my favorite and most played character and is farther in most titles than all my other characters but I don't work on single-character titles much because as soon as I log off of my ___% Tyrian/Canthan Explorer Necro to play on my new assassin, I go from (in most players eyes) from a "Uber 1337" MM who would be a great asset to a party to some "N0ob sin" who'll need to be rezzed every 2 seconds, it's infuriating and I have no way to prove them otherwise. Display a rank__ or __Gladiator title and I get "Rank means nothing in PvE noob" So if I go for a title, I want it to be available for all my characters, not just for my lvl20 Necro and not for my lvl5 Paragon.

Paperfly · Oct 21, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

Utterly against it - on the same grounds that everyone else's mentioning (the furtherance of the philosophy that grind > skill).

Not a dealbreaker by any means - we've already got the precedent of Candy Canes and +damage versus plants mods - but it's a Bad Thing (tm) not a Selling Point (tm).

Also, unlike (what I'll admit is) a fair proportion of the community, I find that the relative* seamlessness of the transition between PvE and PvP gameplay is one of the things that makes Guild Wars fun for me, and this weakens that.

*relative to other games