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Satde lancer · Oct 25, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Thanks for all the info, but one more question the max level for Jagged is 12lvl and Shambling is 14lvl with 16 death magic right?

Exoudeous · Oct 25, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Satde lancer

Thanks for all the info, but one more question the max level for Jagged is 12lvl and Shambling is 14lvl with 16 death magic right?

no jagged is 16 and shambling is 18

Oh a GW forum · Oct 25, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

I don't understand why everyone thinks Jagged bones is so good... anyone who has tried a minion bomber build knows its near impossible to easily target your minions. With the non-existant UI necros get right now for their minions, Jagged bones is complete crap.

If anet actually gives some UI support for MM, then it will be great.

CKaz · Oct 25, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

wonder how well heroes might spam that/target their own minions

or if you love being the MM, have a N/? (or a little less aptly ?/N) do all that annoying minion prep you hate

[again, depending on how well that AI works]

Horseman Of War · Oct 25, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

you guys might think to be funny, but I think the Death Magic line is just about ready for Rt/N mms to really get some decent builds... (hell rt/r is gonna be fun with some of the new spirits too)

i wonder if the jagged horror will trigger explosive growth too?

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 25, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

you guys might think to be funny, but I think the Death Magic line is just about ready for Rt/N mms to really get some decent builds... (hell rt/r is gonna be fun with some of the new spirits too)

i wonder if the jagged horror will trigger explosive growth too?

It -should-, and in theory a Shambling Horror that had Jagged Bones cast on it should have both of it's Jagged Horrors trigger Explosive Growth when they spawn. However I have not had the chance to try it myself, yet.

CKaz · Oct 25, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

It -should-, and in theory a Shambling Horror that had Jagged Bones cast on it should have both of it's Jagged Horrors trigger Explosive Growth when they spawn. However I have not had the chance to try it myself, yet.

Actually I'd disagree, in theory - frankly that's all we have anyways right?

Explosive Growth:
For 15...51 seconds, whenever you create a creature, up to 5 foes near that creature are struck for 20...56 lightning damage.

Jagged Bones:
For 30 seconds, whenever target undead servant dies, it is replaced by a level 0...12 Jagged Horror that causes Bleeding with each of its attacks.

You didn't create it, it was replaced by the fact the enchantment was on it.
Kind of like asking for other effects that demand *your* action but work of other skill effects, but expecting it to be treated as if *you* acted to do so.

So I'd be rather surprised if this worked in this fashion. Doesn't mean it won't

Xenoslave42 · Oct 25, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

you guys might think to be funny, but I think the Death Magic line is just about ready for Rt/N mms to really get some decent builds... (hell rt/r is gonna be fun with some of the new spirits too)

i wonder if the jagged horror will trigger explosive growth too?

Rt/R already has a decent combo using Wanderlust and Brambles. Add in Pestilence once Nightfall hits and watch the insanity!

I'm also considering changing my N/M MM to a N/R so I can take advantage of Lacerate and Toxicity. What do you guys think?

milias · Oct 25, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

Sure they have a 10 second longer skill recharge (its really only like 12 seconds recharge if you have bloodstaind boots)

Recharge is 15 seconds?! Hmm, that kinda sucks. If it were 5, I'd be a lot happier!

Zinger314 · Oct 25, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by milias

Recharge is 15 seconds?! Hmm, that kinda sucks. If it were 5, I'd be a lot happier!

If the recharge of Shambling Horror would be 5 seconds, why would you use Bone Horrors?

Darksun · Oct 25, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

15 recharge is just fine. The bonuses of 2x SR, bleeding, double use nova etc are just awesome.. Shambling are gonna be great!

Age · Oct 25, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I would just like to know will these be better than say Flesh Golems as I am gooing to be getting NF for my secound account as well.It doesn't have Factions on it and I don't like the though of playing that account thru Factions especially when mission areas might be empty more so than Prophecies.

Red_Dragon56 · Oct 25, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Order of Undeath makes Golems less useful, at least in the MM sence.

Golem do what, 35+ dmg now? Order of Undeath gives ALL your minions that much damage. It's

Horseman Of War · Oct 26, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

spirit gift

For 60 seconds, whenever you create a creature, all allies near that creature gain 5...41 Health and lose 1 Condition.

10e 1s cast/ 45@

?

Angel Netherborn · Oct 26, 2006, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Age

I would just like to know will these be better than say Flesh Golems as I am gooing to be getting NF for my secound account as well.It doesn't have Factions on it and I don't like the though of playing that account thru Factions especially when mission areas might be empty more so than Prophecies.

You can spam shambling horrors but you can't spam flesh golems because it's an elite skill. So comparing flesh golems to shambling is not exactly straightforward.

Capping flesh golem can be done very early in the Factions campaign, especially if you do it with a non-Factions character.

And Factions mission areas will at least have the same number of ppl than Prophecies, if not more.

draxynnic · Oct 26, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Xenoslave42

Rt/R already has a decent combo using Wanderlust and Brambles. Add in Pestilence once Nightfall hits and watch the insanity!

I'm also considering changing my N/M MM to a N/R so I can take advantage of Lacerate and Toxicity. What do you guys think?

I think...

Take a Ranger hero and have them drop the spirits for you!

Actually, that could be a nasty combination on it's own - Heal Area is nice, but it isn't essential, especially when it looks like you do want your minions to die occasionally (in order to spawn Jagged Horrors to get your Lacerate going - and, I would guess, also to set off Death Nova to get Toxicity going?)

Xenoslave42 · Oct 26, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

I think...

Take a Ranger hero and have them drop the spirits for you!

Actually, that could be a nasty combination on it's own - Heal Area is nice, but it isn't essential, especially when it looks like you do want your minions to die occasionally (in order to spawn Jagged Horrors to get your Lacerate going - and, I would guess, also to set off Death Nova to get Toxicity going?)

Toxicity will spread the poison from Death Nova and the disease from Putrid Flesh.