Curse

fenix · Nov 08, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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It was already there before NF was released.

Also, if you get a so-called perfect gold with the 'precious' inscription and you don't want to risk the salvage, overwrite it with something else.

sif argue with me Cunning :P

I mean it was fine as part of a weapon, but as a seperate 'removable' inscription, it's bad. Silly, even. It wasn't often that you got rares with Precious or Highly Salvageable anyway, so wasn't that big a deal.

Mr D J · Nov 08, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! (Well, in a delicate and oh-so-ladylike manner, of course!

) The team comes up with a cool new set of inscriptions and somebody's complaining?!

Honestly, some days I just despair!

Read the ideas in this thread. Some of you "get it," and can see the value of these cool new inscriptions (and their parallel in the other regions). Good job on figuring it out. And thank you for gently showing the truth to the "nerf-sayers!"

NERF!!! Nah, just kidding. I don't really get the point of these new inscriptions though. Like if it's precious, why would you salvage it? Why just not sell it to merchant? Or, is it if you salvage it, the item still keeps its value and you can add it to other item, thus increasing the value of the item it was added on? And highly salvageable??? You salvage the item for materials if it says highly salvageable, why would you want to get an inscription out of it, add it on another item and destroy it? I mean, great job on adding new stuff to the game, I'm really happy about that, adds more fun to play, but I don't think this stuff is useful...

Ebony Shadowheart · Nov 08, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

What is with all the whining all the darn time???? Do you people have nothing better to do? For crying out loud these stats are in the other games, you have to expect that will have their equivilent (sp?) insigs in NF!

I for one like these little 'useless' things. That 100 extra gold (or whatever the amount is) for the precious insig is 100g in my damn pocket! Yeah, you're going 'pfft 100g, chunk change' tell that to new people that are scraping to buy armor. have you ever been like 25 gold short to buy that last piece of armor, or that last dye? i'm sure many of you have at one time or another; well heres a way to put some extra gold in your pocket without farming extensively! 100g ten times adds up, theres 1 plat people.

highly salavagable, heck yes! ill take anything that will give me more materials so i dont have to buy the darn things. especially if its rare materials! you need a material? have one of these inscriptions? toss it on something you know will give you that material (and guess what you can look up this info if you dont know it off the top of your head!) and salvage away! this is also a way to make and SAVE money. got a bunch of extra common materials? craft it into rares! its cheaper than buying the rares! (sometimes) got a bunch of extra materials? sell it to another player.

think people think! stop complaining and use your head! Gaile has the right to be upset condering the number of 'whine' threads around here!

Myria · Nov 08, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

What is with all the whining all the darn time???? Do you people have nothing better to do?

You do realize that the same could be asked of those who whine about percieved whining, right?

The OP asks a question -- "So is this really a nerf or will something useful come out of it?" -- and gets three pages of people whining about his daring to ask the question when a simple and polite answer would have sufficed nicely.

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Gaile has the right to be upset condering the number of 'whine' threads around here!

Ummm... Why? If such threads are a personal afront to Ms. Gray then perhaps she's in the wrong business. I suspect they're not, though, her upset is just a useful, and, bizarrely, clearly a highly successful, tactic. Neither she nor the game were attacked by the OP, yet her defenders are out in force.

makosi · Nov 08, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Just out of curioisty, what are 'precious' weapons in comparison to ordinary weapons? I know that 'Highly Salvageable' means that you'll get a bunch more materials when you salvage the item compared to a non-Highly Salvageable item.

Also, if I add a "Measure for Measure" to Jeweled or Ruby Daggers, will it increase my chace of getting a gem?

Clone · Nov 08, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Myria

If such threads are a personal afront to Ms. Gray then perhaps she's in the wrong business. I suspect they're not, though, her upset is just a useful, and, bizarrely, clearly a highly successful, tactic. Neither she nor the game were attacked by the OP, yet her defenders are out in force.

Indeed. I think she and other Anet staff are well aware of the things like the AI nerfs that frustrate far more people. (Yeah, I said it. Start kicking.) As for this one, my only problem with it would be the game is getting too heavy on pop culture references. You're gonna remind me of that scientologist nut every time I want to take something to the merchant?

Ebony Shadowheart · Nov 08, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Myria

You do realize that the same could be asked of those who whine about percieved whining, right?

Yes, however in this case I am simply asking a perfectly legit question because to me it does seem like many people are doing exactly that, whining, about these new items.

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The OP asks a question -- "So is this really a nerf or will something useful come out of it?" -- and gets three pages of people whining about his daring to ask the question when a simple and polite answer would have sufficed nicely.

And I wasn't referring to the OP specifically. I was referring to people in general as there does seem to be a lot of whining (as I stated above) lol.

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Ummm... Why? If such threads are a personal afront to Ms. Gray then perhaps she's in the wrong business. I suspect they're not, though, her upset is just a useful, and, bizarrely, clearly a highly successful, tactic. Neither she nor the game were attacked by the OP, yet her defenders are out in force.

Again, not referencing the OP directly. However, it is Gaile's job to make sure the customers (us, the players) are happy, to listen to us, but no one ever seems to point out the good things about the game. So many people nit pick and complain about this or that, that I have to wonder how the game could possibly be fun for them to play.

I'm sure if you had to listen to complain ALL the time, it would grate on your nerves too.

My point here is that people (again not referencing the OP specifically) shouldn't be so quick to holler 'nerf' or 'more useless shit' or whatever. Normally there are reasons that things are done, and usually you can figure it out if you just sit down and think about it. If the new item/feature doesn't do anything for you, move on. Theres no point in whining about it.

Alleji · Nov 08, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

At least this clears up my question as to what these new inscriptions were. When I saw the update, I went to the unlocks screen and was mildly surprised to not see the new inscriptions there... so I assumed that anet did a routine screwup with their update and will soon "fix the bugs introduced in the previous update" (and introduce a bug that breaks HA again)

But really... lol @ all the complaining about a change that doesn't actually do anything, except make things more consistent.

Myria · Nov 08, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart

Yes, however in this case I am simply asking a perfectly legit question because to me it does seem like many people are doing exactly that, whining, about these new items.

A matter of perception, I suppose. It has long been my perception that in general, and especially on these boards, whining about whining generally exceeds actual whining by at least an order of magnitude.

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However, it is Gaile's job to make sure the customers (us, the players) are happy, to listen to us, but no one ever seems to point out the good things about the game.

Forgive me, but signs of any logical connection between the two halves of that sentence wholly escape me.

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So many people nit pick and complain about this or that, that I have to wonder how the game could possibly be fun for them to play.

It's quite possible to enjoy something greatly, but wish for improvement.

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I'm sure if you had to listen to complain ALL the time, it would grate on your nerves too.

I used to run a semiconductor manufacturing plant. Between employees, suppliers, government on all levels, customers, and corp HQ, I did little save listen to people complain. Grate on my nerves? To be sure, and in a major sorta way, but professionalism demanded that I deal with those complaints and not take that frustration out on others. When, after some years, my frustration got too great, I quit and took up a much less stressful occupation.

Many (most?) jobs are frustrating. Many (most?) jobs involve listening to lots of complaints. Neither of those things are unique to any given job, nor are they an excuse for much of anything.

WhiteZombie · Nov 08, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Only problem is that it's very rare for crappu blues to have an inscription. They most often appear on purples and golds, which makes them very rare.

are you serious? i always get inscriptions on blues, and theyre always 'too much information' or that one that reduces cast time of spells by ~10%, always!

Jetdoc · Nov 08, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I posted this in another thread...

The new inscriptions are not really meant for transfer - they are there to "block out" the other inscriptions that are available, much like in Prophecies and Factions.

In other words, it was impossible to have a 15>50 sword that was precious or highly salvageable in the previous chapters. This makes that exclusion also apply in Nightfall.

Karmaniac · Nov 08, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

While I agree with Miss Gray I also believe the GW community has all the reason to be a little paranoid with every update. However the word 'nerf' should be used sparingly IMO.

On the topic discussed:Am I missing something but the show me the money seems a bit pointless. Measure for measure can be used the way described but I find little use for that precious inscription. Added 100g value is exactly the same when applied to white or gold weapon. Or is the system more complex than this?

Jeremy Untouchable · Nov 08, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

i salvaged a "show me the money" just to see the value. it droped the sell price of the item i took it from. i added it to a couple blues to see, yeah, its around 100 gold or so. My advice step 1: see show me the money............................ step 2: merch and go....step 3: smile

Ebony Shadowheart · Nov 08, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Myria

A matter of perception, I suppose. It has long been my perception that in general, and especially on these boards, whining about whining generally exceeds actual whining by at least an order of magnitude.

Difference in opinion; which we are both entitled to, but you have not seen me truly whine yet.

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Forgive me, but signs of any logical connection between the two halves of that sentence wholly escape me.

i'm not normally logical, to be quite honest, so if you can't grasp where im coming from, thats fine. i've grow used to confusing people regularly.

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It's quite possible to enjoy something greatly, but wish for improvement.

I can agree with this statement as there are things I think could be improved in the game. Yet, there is a difference between nit picking something because its not to talored to your tastes specifically and offering a polite suggestion based on your opinion.

example 1: 'i want firestorm removed from the game because its stupid and useless and no one can use it right' -> whining

example 2: 'i feel firestorm should be removed from the game as it presents no useful function. due to the relatively low damage output overall and the AoE scatter affect, this skill has been rendered unusable' -> constuctive suggestion.

anyway, my original point was that if you enjoy something, yes you will pick out things that you feel might be better if they were improved, but you arent going to continuously pick out the flaws; you arent going to look specifically for them. people that do that arent playing the game for fun, they are playing so they can have something to bitch about. unless of course they are being paid to play and find those flaws, but that is something entirely different.

zelira · Nov 08, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

It caught me by suprise when I had a show me the money inscription, however I got over it and did what I usually do to precious mods. I walked over to the merchant and sold it. It's not a nerf, they're just adding back 2 inscriptions to Nightfall that were in prophecies and factions. Although it was funny watching people try to sell the inscription for 100k when it adds 100g to your weapon's value.

FalconDance · Nov 08, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by makosi

Just out of curioisty, what are 'precious' weapons in comparison to ordinary weapons? I know that 'Highly Salvageable' means that you'll get a bunch more materials when you salvage the item compared to a non-Highly Salvageable item.

All "precious" means is, for some unknown-to-adventurers reason, the merchant is willing to pay significantly more for an otherwise rather worthless weapon. Dunno, maybe the merch's actually collecting the stuff

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Eviance · Nov 08, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I personally think Anet should have a skill called nerf that causes all sorts of crazy things to happen to your skills or spells >_> Kinda like black out but better!

Nothing has really changed other than its more common and it's gone from Precious to Show Me the Money or Highly Salvagable to Measure for Measure... It doesn't really change anything imo.

Hand of Shiva · Nov 08, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Wow the OP makes a statement to start up some debate and all of a sudden we have an all out hate hunt against them? Hell I'll be the first one to say that ANet swings a mighty big Nerf bat, so I hope somewhere in Washington a wall is being kicked down. If people don't like seeing the word "NERF" and have this need to go off like a stick dynamite when they see it maybe they should read threads that don't include contraversy in it, because like it or not there are people who like the changes and those that think the changes damaged the gameplay in some factor.

As a response to the OP I don't think its a nerf at all, infact I think its at least a way for people who get a rare skin with those mods on it to get rid of it and slap in a more useful mod instead. Oh what I wouldn't give to be able to do this to my req 8 gold Chaos axe with its furious + 30hp mods the only thing wrong with it is that its got that god forsaken Precious stamped on it. my 100k+ Axe is worth more then a measly 400 gold! So yeah even if you don't go rearranging your inscriptions to get better craftables or money at least you can over write them with useful inscriptions.

I do see where the nerf idea comes in though since if you thought the highly salvagable/precious wouldn't make an appearance in NF it does kind of drop the chances of scoring that all mighty 15^50 mod.

brokenmonkey · Nov 08, 2006, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Where is this thread going?, Stop fighting!! It was a good Update, I don't think any of you realize what the Salvageable one does. Ok, here, go to The *SPOILER* Relm of Torment, open one chest, put a Very Salvageable inscription a metal sword or axe or something. Then Salvage it, boom around 80 of a common material. Or 7, 8 or 9 Steel Ingots.

Please do not complain about a good thing. But hey, thad be the day eh guys?

Stig Figger · Nov 08, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

My interpretation of the OP's comments is that he's worried that the new inscriptions would reduce the drop frequency of the existing inscriptions (e.g. 15^50). If this were so, it could be perceived as "taking away" inscriptions that are "more useful"...but there is simply no evidence presented yet to prove that inscription drop frequencies have been altered. Even if they have been altered, I still think the new inscriptions are "just as useful" in terms of their potential monetary/salvage value.

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Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

1st time Bone Staff=86 bones !!
2nd Time (other Staff) =76 Wood planks
3rd Staff= 8 steel.

It was my impression that it is not possible to (expert) salvage steel from staves, only wood or bone, and therefore I have never "wasted" an expert kit use on a staff. Can someone else confirm getting steel from a staff...and what kind of staff it was? I wouldn't think that "Measure for Measure" would increase the likelihood of getting a rare material, just increase the number of units of material (common or rare, depends on chance and what the particular item is allowed to yield), which is how "Highly Salvageable" works.