Curse

Y O U Lo Se · Nov 15, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Kyosuke

PvE people claim they got screwed when Factions came out
PvP people now claim they get screwed since Nightfall is out..

Campaigns are not the problem, and PvP also get screwed in Factions, only thing I expect from anet is a new arena, new skills and a nice metagame. New skills are allways there, metagame is screwed atm, in Factions we got the "PvE/PvP" arena called AB, which sucks for real pvp-ers. NF added Hero arena's, but they screwed up with allowing heroes in HA.

p.s. I really like the style of PvP in Hero Arena's, why not make a 4v4/6v6/8v8 version of this 1, or put some of those type of maps in HA. And no heroes then ofc.

Apple · Nov 15, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Gwonline.net forum pvp players

hahahahahahaha

Also, maybe this is a hint for you to stop tombing and play real pvp. na'amsayin?

lyra_song · Nov 15, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

i am not the one flaming,a nd I'm making this thread after a long time of waiting, countless threads of others in HA forum. Perhaps gaile should respond, i want to draw her attention.

Why are you calling attention to Gaile?

Because she wont give you an aswer?

Blaming Gaile doesnt solve your problems. Calling her attention wont solve your problems either. Your post is filled with hostility and accusation and inflammatory language. If you PM her like that, why would you even expect a response?

Gaile is such an easy target and you need to stop taking cheap shots with threads like this.

Lykan · Nov 15, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Contempt

How many more tears will it take before you realize the 6v6 change was for a reason?

Yes and we are still waiting for someone to explain what that reason was.

And dont go quoting polls of the "6v6 test" weekend. Up to a week after the change there were forum posts and people in HA saying " How come its 6v6 but not double fame?"

And about rank elitism. New players complaining are looking in the wrong place for teams, If you go standing around in Int dis 1 expecting to join a team you will meet every idiot in the game.
In my home district English1 almost every team spamming for people is unranked. I cant see how unranked people cant find teams.
Dont go around expecting to get into high teams just because you think your good enough. If people dont know you, you wont get in. The teams winning the most are made from friendlist's not random PuGs.

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Do you honestly believe that someone who has HA'd for a week should be allowed on teams with members who have HA'd for a year? Not bloody likely.

I wouldnt say not allowed, but it being naive if thats what they expect.

And hero's have no place in PvP.

db0y · Nov 15, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

gwonline has pvpers??

news to me

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Why are you calling attention to Gaile?

Because she wont give you an aswer?

Blaming Gaile doesnt solve your problems. Calling her attention wont solve your problems either. Your post is filled with hostility and accusation and inflammatory language. If you PM her like that, why would you even expect a response?

Gaile is such an easy target and you need to stop taking cheap shots with threads like this.

yes, i know that I'm a bit hostile with this, and I don't mean to be, but anyway, since when is it forbidden to criticise someone nice? Yes I like Gaile too, a nice person, and usually good at her job.

Too bad she didn't do it so great at a single point,anyway did I ever say gaile was a [insert random bad word]? No. I am simply telling her that she is failing at theis one point....allowing her to improve....don't you get it? People can't read minds, so how the hell would she know if she was doing a bad job if no one told her? Criticising is the way to progress (made that up aaaalll by myself

).

Oceans Fury · Nov 15, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

I love how all the PvE'ers unite for a just cause in there eyes. Its magical...

Now gtfo.

Half of you dont even HA enough to experience the vast fu** up HA is now. Stop supporting 6v6 just so you have to find only 3 vim trappers instead of 5.

SF is.. well lets just say it probably needs a little nerf, like a recharge or a cast time.

Paragons, theyre slowly rotating into the metagame. Theyll likely be nerfed with some recharge times as well.. I dont think they should but I expect them to.

Heroes.. Get them outa HA, bring em to heroes arena, thats what Anet made it for.

Elitism H8r's- GTFO and get your rank 3 or w/e. Stop whining about not being able to get a good group when we ALL had to go through the SAME EXACT THING!

PvP is anything but pamperd. Lets go through all the PvP styles and see how theyre "pamperd"
GvG: Ummm.. Shit, Special Capes that last through the season? I dunno. Lets move on.

RA:Wait, when was the last time they changed anything in RA except maps?

TA:See above.

HA:Umm.. Rank? Nahhh, thats there for a reason, Hmm... Screw it, I give up.
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Oh Wait, we had that double fame weekend that one time.

Please, elaborate on how PvP is "pamperd".

While over on the PvE side we have:
Triple green drop weekends
Double elite cap XP
Double green weekends
Free elite missions weekends
Halloween events
Holiday events
and many other ---- weekend events.

Yea, I can see how you say PvP has it good.. Damn we have the life.

/end sarcasm :/

Phoenix Ex · Nov 15, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

I wander what would happen if ANet put fame into hero battle, GVG, AB, and TA.....

Sniper22 · Nov 15, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I think the hoh pvp is fine seriously. If it satisfies like 90% of the community, then the other 10 will just have to adapt.

The REAL problem with hoh/pvp is a lot of the "expierenced people". I've been playing this game for 18 months. First started out just doing PvE, but then I try to get into pvp and I see a lot of "forming rank 3 spike groups" so I really never did pvp because of this crap. No one is taking in the lower ranks right now. The only non ranked groups today are iway and stuff like that (i finally managed r3). Also, I try to find a pvp guild that can help me learn how to play different pvp builds and stuff but again, most guilds that do pvp only want high ranked people. It seems like none of the higher ranks are helping any of less expierenced pvers.

EternalTempest · Nov 15, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

Have you ever read the HA forum? i've seen at least 4 good solutions there, I ahve posted a possible solution in Sardeliac myself, and that leads me to this post:

Your original post

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

I would love to know. In both this forum as the Gwonline.net forum pvp players are angry at Anet for all the recent changes in HA. But instead of listening, responding to us, Gaile ignores us, and simply states that the majority of people is happy with HA atm.

Yeah big deal if you only check the PvE forums right? Since when have PvE players become the PvP community?

And because you don't read the PvP forum, and because you don't respond to my PM asking you politely to check the pvp forum, I am posting this here, in the hope that you will actually read it.

You have posted in the general discussion forum composed of pvp, pve, and people who play both forum members. "There issues with pvp, read this other website and these forums, you should know already" and left it that. Also by not defining what specifically what your addressing, you can see how this thread bounces everywhere. Also a lot of response is PVP is broke (no specific) will invoke really, I think it's fine because of XYZ.

Also since you fired a shot across the bow as it where to try and get gaile's attention, why would we (as in all of us) not respond.

Randomway Ftw · Nov 15, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Sniper22

I think the hoh pvp is fine seriously. If it satisfies like 90% of the community, then the other 10 will just have to adapt.

The REAL problem with hoh/pvp is a lot of the "expierenced people". I've been playing this game for 18 months. First started out just doing PvE, but then I try to get into pvp and I see a lot of "forming rank 3 spike groups" so I really never did pvp because of this crap. No one is taking in the lower ranks right now. The only non ranked groups today are iway and stuff like that (i finally managed r3). Also, I try to find a pvp guild that can help me learn how to play different pvp builds and stuff but again, most guilds that do pvp only want high ranked people. It seems like none of the higher ranks are helping any of less expierenced pvers.

You are going to have to get used to the fact that people want to win in HA, they do not want to have to teach people how to play the game every time they make a group and will only take ranked people because that's the only way they have can tell how much experience in HA someone has.

lyra_song · Nov 15, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

yes, i know that I'm a bit hostile with this, and I don't mean to be, but anyway, since when is it forbidden to criticise someone nice? Yes I like Gaile too, a nice person, and usually good at her job.

Too bad she didn't do it so great at a single point,anyway did I ever say gaile was a [insert random bad word]? No. I am simply telling her that she is failing at theis one point....allowing her to improve....don't you get it? People can't read minds, so how the hell would she know if she was doing a bad job if no one told her? Criticising is the way to progress (made that up aaaalll by myself

).

Backpedaling is not gonna save your ass. Your complaint and criticism is valid. Your hostility and the form of your post is not.

You see the can of shit that opens up when threads like this start with that kind of a post? Saying that Anet holds favoritism with PVE will get you flames and wont get the discussion going anywhere productive.

You didn't state your problem. All you stated was Gaile was ignoring you and paying more attention to PVE and you wanted her attention.

I suggest editing your OP and be clear.

Draygo Korvan · Nov 15, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I'm all for a change that forces PvP teams to be at least 50% player (in the case of HA, you must have at least 3 human players). But I am against restricting heroes as long as henchmen remain an option.

Heroes at least have some human component to them unlike henchmen and thus are more of a challenge to face (though still a joke).

If you want to eliminate the ability to bring in heroes, eliminate the option of bringing henchmen as well.

Enchanted Warrior · Nov 15, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

PVP not getting enough love, boo hoo.. I wish they were 2 separate games and pve was not nerfed everytime a pvp person whines cause they got their butt kicked.

tomcruisejr · Nov 15, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

You: Hey Gaile, when did Anet decide to stop caring about PvP?
Gaile: LOL

Phaern Majes · Nov 15, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Draygo Korvan

I'm all for a change that forces PvP teams to be at least 50% player (in the case of HA, you must have at least 3 human players). But I am against restricting heroes as long as henchmen remain an option.

Heroes at least have some human component to them unlike henchmen and thus are more of a challenge to face (though still a joke).

If you want to eliminate the ability to bring in heroes, eliminate the option of bringing henchmen as well.

Heh the best suggestion I've heard so far.

I'll admit I heroway faction quite abit

But when my guild does get together to run builds, its nice to know we win because we're good and not just cause the other team is a bunch of crap bots. Although my view is, everyone paid money for the game, they should be able to play HA without having to deal with all the elitism in there, heros and henchies let them do that. Not saying everyone with rank is that way (elitists), but you can't deny the fact that there are players who do take it to the extreme. A few bad experiences early on can turn off a player to pvp, who otherwise may have turned out to be a decent player.

Which makes me wonder if it isn't all these high end pvp'ers own fault for the changes

If people would just show some respect once in awhile maybe the new players wouldn't complain so much about not being able to find groups, which leads to Anet making it so they can bypass having to.

No I really don't believe thats why it happened just a fun viewpoint

The Hand Of Death · Nov 15, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

HA has always sucked by the way. What about new people who got the game to PvP? They can't because HA was filled with Rank-elitists who didn't give a chance to players without rank. They forget to realize that most people got rank through IWAY or VIMWAY and therefore means that they probably don't have skill anyway.

What are you talking about how they broke HA, it has been broken for a long time now.

Alleji · Nov 15, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

This si in fact my first complaining thread. Perhaps you are reffering to my thread in Sardeliac?

I wasn't referring to your threads, just the complaint threads about searing flames in general :P

They're all the same, regardless of who started them.

Rera · Nov 15, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

The practical solution is to just leave HA to the PvEers and move on to GvG. Or you can farm all of the little heroways for free fame.

I love how people go to HA and expect to get invited into experienced groups right off the bat. News flash: people like to win. They're not going to take you if you're not any good, and they sure as hell are not obligated to. You are not entitled to play in good teams just because you want to.

Tranquilis · Nov 15, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Oceans Fury

You guys dont even play HA so wtf can you reconcile with him about?

Not even remotely true. Also, entirely besides the point.

HA isn't broken, it's changed. OK, you don't like those changes. So what? Many other people do like those changes. ANet watches what goes on, don't you even begin to doubt that they don't. If HA starts to die, or become static, then things will change again. And again, a lot of people whom were used to the 'old' way will be offended, but a lot of other people will not be offended.

*shrug*

That's life. Move on.