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Rera · Sep 20, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I logged my warrior today and noticed that the KoaBD title track has been updated with a second tier: "People Know Me (2)". No doubt most of the other KoaBD's noticed this a while ago (I assume it came in with last week's patch), as the wiki has already been updated. It's nice to know that we'll have something else to aim for once Nightfall comes out and KoaBD becomes ridiculously easy to obtain.

One small detail, however: PKM is for *10* maxed titles.

Think about that for a moment. There are currently 8 maxable character titles: 2x Grandmaster Cartographer, 2x Protector, Drunkard, Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, and Legendary Survivor. Of these 8, only 5 are required for Kind of Big Deal.

When Nightfall is released, the only new titles that we can safely assume are an additional Cartographer and Protector title each, bringing the total number of maxable character titles to 10 ... meaning you would need to max every maxable character title (including Legendary Survivor) to get People Know Me - entire orders of magnitude more difficult than KoaBD :P.

Granted, this is a worst-case scenario. One would hope that, if PKM indeed stays at 10, that Anet would release a few other maxable titles so we have a few to choose from. Another possibility is that non-PvP account-wide titles count towards the KoaBD track - meaning the Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons, Lucky, and Unlucky title tracks. I find this unlikely, however, because it would mean a possible +4 titles on all of your characters.

Just something to think about for Nightfall ^_^.

Edit: "possible +3 titles" -> "possible +4 titles". Forgot Savior is a separate title for each faction.

Juicey Shake · Sep 20, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

meaning the Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons, Lucky, and Unlucky title tracks

yes, probably. altho anyone who gets savior of kurzick or luxon should not be allowed a computer ever again. ff quest = 400 faction every ~2 min, so that's 8.1 hours a day for 100,000 faction-- it'd take over 800 hours, of 8 hours a day, for 100 days to get the title. over 800 hours of constant faction farming. thankyou, no!!

Former Ruling · Sep 20, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

I've heard of minute runs on Securing Echovald Forest, They even use a "Door Man" that leaves the group and sits by the door in the town and waits for them - JUST so they can shave 5-10 secs off the run by eliminating the time it takes to run to the protal.

And the fact that there are already people with millions of kurzick faction tells that it is possible :\

Wicked Shadow · Sep 20, 2006, 01:36 AM // 01:36

You're forgetting Skill Hunter. It's impossible to max it out with just Factions and Prophecies, but with Nightfall we'll hopefully be able to get it.

Rok · Sep 20, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

meaning the Savior of the Kurzicks/Luxons, Lucky, and Unlucky title tracks

yes, probably. altho anyone who gets savior of kurzick or luxon should not be allowed a computer ever again. ff quest = 400 faction every ~2 min, so that's 8.1 hours a day for 100,000 faction-- it'd take over 800 hours, of 8 hours a day, for 100 days to get the title. over 800 hours of constant faction farming. thankyou, no!!

You forget about the faction leechers.

They leech faction in Aspenwood for an hour or so, while they play another game/account/themselves then go turn in 10k faction. Then rinse & repeat.

They should make faction character based.
It wouldn't affect unlocks any.

In fact no title should be account based. That way leechers can't delete their leech char and still benefit from the title. This would force each char to acquire their own 10k for those quests, but I did that anyway with the 4 chars I took through Factions.

Rera · Sep 20, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

@Wicked Shadow: I'm not forgetting Skill Hunter. I don't believe it will be maxable in Nightfall either, simply because they are following the convention of the treasure hunter and wisdom title tracks with (base title) -> adept -> advanced -> expert -> etc. Just because we only know of 4 tiers doesn't indicate that skill hunter maxes at tier 4. Were it up to me, I'd set the max level at whatever the number of elites in the game was at the time, and then change it with every expansion, but that's clearly *not* how Anet has chosen to do it. Therefore, it's entirely possible that Skill Hunter will *never* be maxable, so long as they plan to add new elite skills.

@Rok: Some titles are account-based because they are PvP titles. It doesn't make any sense for the Gladiator/Hero/Champion titles to be character-based, because a lot of people roll and re-roll PvP characters constantly. As for the faction titles, you have to keep in mind that AB is available to PvP characters, and the only use a PvP character has for faction is xferring it to his/her guild.

Wicked Shadow · Sep 20, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Well, it seems awfully cruel of Anet to dangle a title under our noses that is impossible to max out, but I do see your point. It could be that skill hunter's max is set for capturing all skills 3 or 4 expansions from now. I can't believe it will never be maxable though.

Thorondor Port · Sep 20, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Rera

KoaBD, PKM

What are those?
=[ im noob

Avarre · Sep 20, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Kind of a Big Deal (5 titles max)
People Know Me (10 titles max)

Gaile Gray · Sep 20, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Wicked Shadow

Well, it seems awfully cruel of Anet to dangle a title under our noses that is impossible to max out, but I do see your point. It could be that skill hunter's max is set for capturing all skills 3 or 4 expansions from now. I can't believe it will never be maxable though.

No, we wouldn't do that. The titles that we offer are attainable. Proof of that is the fact that, for a short time, you coudn't get the explorer titles, remember? A few areas were blocked for merged accounts. We changed that, to make it fair.

So I'm sure that any title on the books is attainable in Nightfall, or in a combined account with Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall.

Guinevere Ac · Sep 20, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

of course is a magnitude order higher then big deal... if not why ppl should go for this title if they know anyone else can do it?

Cyan The Archer · Sep 20, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I think it will take a looooooooooooong time to get PKM

Guinevere Ac · Sep 20, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

I think it will take a looooooooooooong time to get PKM

i think someone will have it by early november.

Xenrath · Sep 20, 2006, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Thorondor Port

What are those?
=[ im noob

Titles for getting titles, aka "I've spent 10 billion gold on this"

Rera · Sep 20, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No, we wouldn't do that. The titles that we offer are attainable. Proof of that is the fact that, for a short time, you coudn't get the explorer titles, remember? A few areas were blocked for merged accounts. We changed that, to make it fair.

So I'm sure that any title on the books is attainable in Nightfall, or in a combined account with Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall.

Well, I'm not sure what you'd consider a 'short time', but the Skill Hunter title track has not been maxable since it was released.

PKM is definitely a nice upgrade, as KoaBD will be entirely meaningless by Nightfall, because everyone will have it. One thing I'd like is more titles that aren't money sinks. Drunkard is a title you literally buy - stock up on ale and 10k minutes sitting around doing nothing. Treasure Hunter and Wisdom titles are basically money titles also - 6M worth of keys, a few hundred hours worth of running, hundreds of ID kits. I do Legendary Survivor on all of my characters because I don't have the money for some of the other titles, so it kind of pisses me off to see people sitting back with Drunkard >_<.

cataphract · Sep 20, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

What pisses me off is the fact that "survivor" titles can only be attained by newly created characters. My primary character is thusly being denied an opportunity. Which is discriminating to all characters created before the title system emerged.

thrashbasket · Sep 20, 2006, 10:25 AM // 10:25

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Originally Posted by cataphract

What pisses me off is the fact that "survivor" titles can only be attained by newly created characters. My primary character is thusly being denied an opportunity. Which is discriminating to all characters created before the title system emerged.

any character that hasn't died can get the title.

Xenrath · Sep 20, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29

No what he means is older characters from before the introduction of the title track - if they died beforehand (which the vast majority probably did) - they will never even have a shot at it, which is kind of unfair.

With titles overall though, I'm tending to think ok fine a number of them are basically gold sinks and you just "buy" them essentially. It would be nice if there were a few more titles which weren't just dependent on your farming/buying/selling for millions of gold. Or require you to be a dedicated PvP player.

cataphract · Sep 20, 2006, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

No what he means is older characters from before the introduction of the title track - if they died beforehand (which the vast majority probably did) - they will never even have a shot at it, which is kind of unfair.

It's *totally* unfair.

Clord · Sep 20, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

In my opinion Survivor title can be changed something what is good like died less than spend hours to play.

Eg KO count is 100 in current character.
Character is used 200 hours.

Now you have 100 points in title.

Example 2.

KO count is 100 in current character.
Character is used 1100 hours.

Now you have 1000 points in title.