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Holz · Nov 12, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I didn't like the campaign as much as other campaigns either.. When I bought Factions first (first of all games like 2-3 months ago) I enjoyed it, and I really wanted to finish it. Tyria was nice too, I did like the Factions campaign more though. In Elona, I didn't feel the urge to finish the game and I wansn't that impressed either. So now PvE kinda bores me and I am getting into PvP slowly, I'll see how that will work out for me.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

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Originally Posted by Myrkwid
I can't get some of the arguments here off my head.

1.) You rushed to fast through the game, no wonder you are bored.

Nope. I did not rush through it, I even took my time to work for the cartographer title until reaching the later parts of the desolation. Currently close to 90% and it took not that much time. Of an online game that is labeled as CORPG I do not expect to be bored a week after release. Sure, every game is getting worn out after a time. But nightfall, well, not exactly Nightfall, but the changes made to the game with the release of nightfall and some mechanics being there from the start, shortened the game tremendously due to the complete lack of an endgame in PvE. I expect more out of a game when paying full price. At least more than the buyingprice in hours.

2.) Take a break
What will that change? Will the game change until the next chapter? Will it even change to the positive with the next chapter? If I take a break, for let's say five weeks, the quests will still be the same. There will still be no endgame. And elitemissions and challenge missions aren't an endgame, too. What do they offer? Nothing. Fun to play for a couple of times, some more some less, but after playing them some times they get boring too, just like the missions and other quests. Again out of the same reasons, they are alwys the same.

1) The fact of the matter is there is more to do. The fact that you don't want to do it is your own problem.

2) Take a break.. wait till new things are added and try again. Still don't like it? Go away. The fact is there are plenty of people happy with it; and each chapter thus far has introduced something new and different. If you don't like it to this point you probably won't like in the future either.

I'd also point out this is mainly a causal gamers game. The hardcore gamers can get through it quickly get the high end armor and everything, but most are smart enough to realize what they're doing and what this will mean down the road. (Even still some continue to enjoy it.) Bottom line:

If you complain but keep on buying, well... good for A.Net.

Ok, Myrkwid I completely agree with you, and natuxatu I pity you for blatantly playing devils advocate here for the sake of arguing.

You say that there is more to do but he is choosing not to do it? Wtf? If there is, please put it up here so I can unravel the big mystery I've been trying to find out for a long time. No, this is a lie that there is more to do. If me and countless of other players cannot discover it, I surely think you cannot.

Your telling him to go away? What kind of mentality is that, to just be a pushover to dumb idiots who do whatever they want? I completely disagree, if I payed money for this game I am ENTITLED (not literally but under my beliefs) for the company to listen to the customers requests. What big bussiness actually neglects their customers and choose the narrow path that they want? NOBODY.

Yes, although I agree this game is ment for the casual gamer, what are you trying to prove with that that statement? That anyone who wants to play a game he/she likes a bit more should be punished? What kind of mentality is this, as a player it seems like you actually favor the company over your fellow players and yourself.

Sigh...

Plommon · Nov 12, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

agree 100%

Myrkwid · Nov 12, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Hey I'm all for adding new stuff but it's funny that you complain that the game is boring after completing the campaign in only a week, yet you're asking for a repeatable quest to do over and over and over again to relieve your boredom? And you complain that taking a break wont do anything because nothing will change. So repeatable quests is a big difference? No matter how random those quests are, they'll always be the same due to them having to be simple since they're supposed to be random.

Oh come on. Dont fall into the "Timmy got a bigger lollipop and I didnt" trap. It's just petty. If you havent noticed in all 3 chapters, PVE has always been the bulk of the game. And in Nightfall the bulk of the changes have been to PVE. Complaining that ANET isnt listening to PVE'rs and catering only to PVP is childish.

Who said that they have to be simple? Is there any technical reason why they have to be simple? Nope. And even if it is repetetive gaming, it would still add. I preffer doing dynamic quests over and over again than doing the static ones. What is your solution? I didn't see any constructive ideas in your post.
Or did you join gw jsut a few months ago? then I would still think the same.
And don't use childish here, or do you want to start a debate about our age? I'm sure you'll lose.

Argh, that's it, maybe my problem is, that I'm too old for this game.

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

1) The fact of the matter is there is more to do. The fact that you don't want to do it is your own problem.

2) Take a break.. wait till new things are added and try again. Still don't like it? Go away. The fact is there are plenty of people happy with it; and each chapter thus far has introduced something new and different. If you don't like it to this point you probably won't like in the future either.

If you complain but keep on buying, well... good for A.Net.

1.) And what? Have I missed something? Nope. Maybe you play the game extremely casual, than you still have something to do.

2.) I already stated that taking a break will not fix anything. There will be very likely no real content being added until the next chapter. Even the "bigbigbig summer update" turned out to be a small 2 explorables extension, that even got smaller than originally planned.

Yes, I complain, as I'm very disappointed but still bought the game. I thought they would add more. And be assured, if things don't change, I will stop complaining....and buying. If the current state of the game is what it is supposed to be, it is not a game for me. I know it. But we are encouraged to post our opinions on the forums and so I am here and voicing my opinion. Either a part of the community, that is large enough, thinks the same and things get changed, or the major part is of another opinion, then it is time to leave. Simple as that.

Not aimed at someone special:
People who haven't finished the game yet can't really reply to this thread...and yet they do. Sad

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Hehe mryk i kinda just wrote that

xyke · Nov 12, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Arenanet should have polls before they release some updates...

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Myrkwid

Who said that they have to be simple? Is there any technical reason why they have to be simple? Nope. And even if it is repetetive gaming, it would still add. I preffer doing dynamic quests over and over again than doing the static ones. What is your solution? I didn't see anything constructive ideas in your post.
Or did you join gw jsut a few months ago? then I would still think the same.
And don't use childish here, or do you want to start a debate about our age? I'm sure you'll lose.

The fact is, that the quests in GW are simple. Go from point A to point B. So of course any random generated quest will be simple. How dynamic can random generated quests in GW be? After only a few of them, they'll be like any other static quests in GW that you find so boring too.

My join date has nothing to do with how long I've played the game. I've played since beta. And no, I dont want to start a pissing contest about our ages. That's childish too. And childish means "to act like a child" and doesnt necessarily have anything to do with actual age.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Your method of reasoning is flawed, because if you think like that nothing in this game will ever change in content, it will just continue to change in appearence.

Myrkwid · Nov 12, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

@lacasner

Hell, I love some parts of the game, just like I hate some other parts. Yet I still liked it at an average that much, that I still care about it and bought everything, even additional slots and CE's. That I convinced my guild members to pick up the expansions and to stick with the game. I always pointed out the game is like a raw diamond that still needs to be cutted into a brilliant. But lately the game moves into a direction I do not favor, nor see I real advancement towards the brilliant (that I expect) anymore. What I'd like to see is some kind of roadmap from Anet. Nothing specific, but they must have some plans for the future of guild wars. They have around 100 people employed painting and coding each day to make guild wars better, there must be a distant goal of gameplay they want to reach with gw. If this goal is clear to every customer upon purchase, there will be less people disappointed...maybe.
At least that would be a way to see if our complaints will fall on deaf ears as they are pointed in the opposite direction of the aimed goal or if they will be taken serious.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Your method of reasoning is flawed, because if you think like that nothing in this game will ever change in content, it will just continue to change in appearence.

Well that's funny, since repeatable randomized quests will be just what you're arguing against. They will just be content with some appearance changes but not truly a change in content.

Unless you truly think that repeatable random point A to point B quests are soooo dynamic and innovative and much more fun than the current static quests.

tho5243 · Nov 12, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I have red this entire thread from post 1.
I am bored also; I have been playing for over a year now and I only speak for myself here.

The game imo was alot more fun before this new series of updates. I decided to hold off on my judgement until I tried out some new techniques and play styles. We as a community were told that GW NF was to be more PvE oriented. So right before the new PvE oriented game comes out they change the AI to be more human like. While this is not necesarily bad, I want to play against enemies that aren't so flighty that they run at the hit of a space bar. The new expansion is more like a job after the first time through. When I would get bored with something before this update i would farm, I would run Guildies or whatever. Now i know this is still possible..not fun but possible. I generally don't play games to not have much fun. I have a job and prefer to work there, not in my gaming time.

As far as people saying that the boredom is only focussed in a small group, I disagree. My guild was at a solid 60-70 people, a group of 15 left to go to various other games. Not just left the guild mind you, gave all there stuff away and left the game. Out of the rest you would be lucky to see a dozen people on at a time, when asked where they went..They are taking a break from guild wars. My guild may be totally atypical; the only completely different one in the game but I find that hard to believe.

Again I don't speak for anyone or anything other thn myself and my observations.

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Well that's funny, since repeatable randomized quests will be just what you're arguing against. They will just be content with some appearance changes but not truly a change in content.

Unless you truly think that repeatable random point A to point B quests are soooo dynamic and innovative and much more fun than the current static quests.

I don't understand, if I did think this, I would say I agreed with you and not that I think that your way of thinking is wrong...

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Originally Posted by MyrkwidHell

, I love some parts of the game, just like I hate some other parts. Yet I still liked it at an average that much, that I still care about it and bought everything, even additional slots and CE's. That I convinced my guild members to pick up the expansions and to stick with the game. I always pointed out the game is like a raw diamond that still needs to be cutted into a brilliant. But lately the game moves into a direction I do not favor, nor see I real advancement towards the brilliant (that I expect) anymore. What I'd like to see is some kind of roadmap from Anet. Nothing specific, but they must have some plans for the future of guild wars. They have around 100 people employed painting and coding each day to make guild wars better, there must be a distant goal of gameplay they want to reach with gw. If this goal is clear to every customer upon purchase, there will be less people disappointed...maybe.
At least that would be a way to see if our complaints will fall on deaf ears as they are pointed in the opposite direction of the aimed goal or if they will be taken serious.

Ya, I agree, but i am afraid there is little evidence to support a change this game needs. But, maybe I have taken a wrong perspective here. Because everything happens for a reason. For instance, why is this game free? Not only because without this freeness, it could not compete with WoW, but also because it means Anet has no more responsibility with the game after you buy it. Thats it, the deal is done and nothing more. Yes, they know it will keep you temporarily hooked, but thats fine with them.

Because new people will come. Who gives a damn about the older players or beta testers (and thats somethign I'm not, Sid this is actually supporting you) we took their money and now we are done. Ahh, I realize my anger and rage are for nothing, for I didn't calculate the human nature aspect. If this game had a monthly fee feature a whole bunch of new things would be implemented. Players would never be bored. I don't want to go to WoW, I want to play the game that is really one of the best ever, but Anet is in control, and no matter how much I dislike that it will never change.

Myrkwid · Nov 12, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Why shall it be "Point A to point B" quests? Ok, it would fit to the current questsystem. But there are so many more options to use the instancingsystem.

Just take a look at any other real MMORPG (and not wow). With just some minor additions to the game there would be a vast amount of different possibilities for challenges that don't feel like fedex. Once the system is implemented it can be expanded even unlimitted.

But all in all it's just one out of many possibilities. There are enough things that can be added to make the endgame enjoyable, challenging and feeling fresh and interesting for more than the time needed to finish the storyline.

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Double post. see below.

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by w00t!

QFT. Amazing how people automatically assume that their opinion is always right, and therefore Anet should modify what they do.

I'm a long-time Sorrow's Furnace farmer, and the fun was not in the accumulating greens or wealth, but in interacting with other people.

Nerfs have just forced us to change our approach. Our 4 man Urgoz runs no longer work after the update? WTF? Let's change a few skills and try it again based on how the new AI works. Hmm, works better now, but I actually have to pay attention rather than mindlessly hit my blessed signit key every few seconds.

Point is, the person who complained probably played over 1,000 hours for a game that they paid $50 for. The room for righteous indignation is somewhat small.

Learn and adapt.

If you think this way, then why do you call the updates "nerfs"? Your vocabulary betrays your mindset. Learning and adapting shouldn't be our job, especially with the aforementioned "mostly-casual playerbase". How would you like it if you took one of these supposed "breaks", came back, and found that your entire character was no longer viably playable due to random skill changes that had effected you badly and secondarily when ANet tried to counter something they didn't like? It should be the businesses job to adapt to the people, not to become more RESISTANT to the wishes of the populace. When you have a hugely divided group of people in GW (with many different play times, countries playing, varying degrees of hardcore players, and such) then it's really not possible to call ANYBODY a minority. Ironically, I'd just call the people agreeing with the OP (myself included) a faction. The fact that you contradict your first sentence with the rest of your post is pretty funny. Seeing as to how you apparently were arrogant enough to sit here and tell people that "learning and adapting" was the only way to go, especially since we had, to paraphrase, burnt out our playtime when contrasted with how much we payed for the game? It was the company's choice to charge no fees, not ours. A good choice, at that. Nobody would pay $15 a month for a game that constantly cut them off from doing things that interested them and kept them paying.

Arenanet has their money. Whether or not we keep playing is our choice; but if they want more money, and want to continue existing, that is our choice. I just hope more people begin to realize that. I'm right now considering whether, if I had a choice, I'd go back in time and spend more money on these chapters. Meh.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Wow Bloodrose. It's funny that you start off about how people are flaming and then start calling people "F-ing idiots"

Then you go on some tirade about how ANET doesnt listen to PVE'ers and only cater to PVP. I guess you missed all the great changes to PVE in Nightfall...

lacasner · Nov 12, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Yup, just what i said (scroll up to read it)

Sidra · Nov 12, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Yup, just what i said (scroll up to read it)

Yeah, I just noticed that. I'm smoooooooth XD. Took me a while to finish my post.

The Bloodrose · Nov 12, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Myria

Not to belabor the obvious, but the more you play the game, the more you cost Anet/NCSoft in bandwidth and CPU time. Given that, I should think the ideal customer is someone who buys the game, plays it for a few hours, and never gets around to playing it again -- I've known several people who've done just that. Needless to say, from that pespective it's doubtful that anyone reading this is an ideal customer, we're more their CFO's worst nightmare.

Perhaps the reason farming, chest running, and other such "endgame" activities keep getting nerfed into oblivion has nothing to do with, as everyone seems to assume, Chinese gold factories, and more to do with Anet, like most other creatures, acting according to its percieved best interest.

The hardcore getting bored, especially when many of them will be back for the next chapter no matter what, is objectively a Good Thing(tm) from Anet's point-of-view. And even if they do lose a few in the long run, it's not like they were ideal customers anyway.

So you're basically saying Anet wants us to buy the new expansions, to shell out the $60 every 6 months to play when they want us to play, not when we want to play. Is it just me or did you ever think of that comment before you typed it?

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 12, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

BloodRose, take a chillpill.