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lavertan · Dec 02, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Well.. i had hope there will be henchmans on this mission but there aren't. So i ask WHY??? Why we can't go with them to UW or FoW. Why they aren't on factions elite missions. Why they arent on elona elite mission. It will be cool to enter to the game and just go there with henchies. Sometimes playing witch henchies (SOMETIMES - NOT ALWAYS!) is better and easier thay playing witch peoples.

Knightsaber Sith · Dec 02, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Maybe they decided that the elite experience within the elite mission would be spoiled with hench.

Zinger314 · Dec 02, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Henchmen would be useless anyways. No Lightbringer's Gaze FTL.

lavertan · Dec 02, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Henchmens aren't so useless. Probably it will be too hard to do all quest and other stuff there but i farmed my Lighbringer title with them and they fought well. I also make whole campaign only with them (including all torment mission) and they fought well also.

LoKi Foxfire · Dec 02, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Henchmen would be useless anyways. No Lightbringer's Gaze FTL.

Good luck surving long enough to use LB's Gaze.

King Kong · Dec 02, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by lavertan

Henchmens aren't so useless. Probably it will be too hard to do all quest and other stuff there but i farmed my Lighbringer title with them and they fought well. I also make whole campaign only with them (including all torment mission) and they fought well also.

Yeah i done all NF with hero's and henchies as well

strcpy · Dec 02, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Yep, all of nightfall with them. Masters on most missions (including gates of madness. though I wasn't really trying for masters on any of them). I bet I could at least get a little bit into the areas, at least enough to kill some margonites, get some drops, and have some fun.

It's not a big deal to me, I can do without the content (well, I really want Razah but maybe one can purchase the gemstones needed and not need to fight something bad to get him, and I can always try and PUG it for how ever many hours that will take). But I'm not in an organised guild and am never going to be. I do not have the time, nor the inclination to submit my gaming experience to a collective. It would be nice to not have to find a PUG that will take me - and Dervish hate goes right on through to there. Nor do I see it going away anytime soon.

Eh, the rest of the game is quite fun and I pretty much do without UW and FoW anyway (same problem) and can not get into the factions elite missions either, just add another area in the list. I still have ToPK and SF. Also if the henchies are useless than I see no reason to deny me access to them. It's my choice if I want to go in with a very inferior team and never be able to make it. However, I rather suspect that they are not there for fear that it will be like many other missions - lots of the better players either going with guildies or using heroes/hench and Anet wants to force at least two humans to play together.

Keithark · Dec 02, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by strcpy

I bet I could at least get a little bit into the areas, at least enough to kill some margonites, get some drops, and have some fun.

ummm...i'll take that bet

Count to Potato · Dec 02, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Anguish hard enough, henchies just make it worse, heroes to believe it or not...

Mysterial · Dec 02, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Keithark

ummm...i'll take that bet

You'll lose. The very few places where I could find groups of 4 or less I could beat with just a 4-man hero party. BIP-fueled prot spirit is pretty effective - I really don't understand why everyone seems to want to run a healing monk.

Pkest · Dec 02, 2006, 04:55 AM // 04:55

I'd rather see them up the hero limit in pve to 7 than add hench to elite areas.

Paperfly · Dec 02, 2006, 06:37 AM // 06:37

I think the real problem here is that Nightfall - up to this point - does everything it can possibly think of to discourage you from playing with other people. Naturally, being thrown in the deep end again only for the hardest missions in the game is going to seriously break people's stride.

brokenmonkey · Dec 02, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

At first I felt the same way. I have grown attached to the ability of a group in my pocket.(hero's and henchies) And, after my 1st pug group be Wiped off the planet,(Make the the 1st 10 XD) I questioned this also. I was upset, and I did post on the forums and said" It's just no fun". Now, after hours of messing with it, I regret ever saying it. It has been awesome talking to guildes, meeting people, and coming up with builds, and counters to the DoA. It has been a blast. I have made progress also =), I successfully killed a few mobs of Margonites in the City place.

Anyways As Zinger314 said, They have no use here anyways.

Have Fun, Good Luck!

strcpy · Dec 02, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

To be fair - I do understand requiring the elite quests to require humans - it wouldn't bother me *that* much if they excluded heroes also.

Just, personally, I absolutely hate grouping with people. I have 15 months in game and I have made something like 5 groups - most of them pre-sear to get rez sig. So, in my case, it isn't that Nightfall "spoiled" me - I would have henched the whole thing anyway.

As much as many want to force groups of humans I want the ability to hench it. Though I have had enough experience in software design to recognize that personal wants are usually a quick path to commercial failure. I do not know which way is "better", I just know which I would prefer. To make any decision more than that I would really need to see server logs, at the least pay attention to long term trends (for instance, I wouldn't make much of a decision for a little while. If participation in the elite area really flags I would add henchies).

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

You'll lose. The very few places where I could find groups of 4 or less I could beat with just a 4-man hero party. BIP-fueled prot spirit is pretty effective - I really don't understand why everyone seems to want to run a healing monk.

With a little bit of work I have been able to kill one or two mobs with a four man hero group. I figure if I can do that then an 8 man group would do much better. Some are places where people are complaining about their 8 man PUG not being able to kill anything.

So, yes, I tend to think he would loose that bet also. There was a thread a while back about what henchies (not heroes mind you) were capable of. One person got mission/bonus on every desert and Ring of Fire mission in the game. Not just with henchies (I've done that) but with his character having no skills and no attribute points at all (screenshots to prove it).

I can not say how many times I've seen "can not be done with henchies" and not only have I done it, but normally didn't even find it hard. And I do not think I am much good - no way I could come close to something like in the paragraph before. I do not see how it was possible, but the person did it. There is something to be said for a group that works together towards a common goal even if their skills do not mesh well. Given that I can have three that *do* mesh well, well I wouldn't bet against me (or especially another experienced hench player) to die.

Bankai · Dec 02, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

I love it.

People finally group together and stick their heads together to think of solutions etc.

lavertan · Dec 02, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Figure out how to do something only with henches and heroes is cool also..

Bankai · Dec 02, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

I really think it's much more enjoyable to think of a way how to do it with 8 people, instead of just you. It's the same as playing chess versus a computer. It's nice for practice, but it's just so much more fun to play versus a human being.

lavertan · Dec 02, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Anyway it's not a main subject of this thread. If everywhere else are henchmans i really want see them on elite missions. They are also usefull if u don't have a lot of time. If u make a party with people u can't go away in the middle of mission (well.. u can but i won't do that), so henchmans will be cool then.

Ark Claw · Dec 02, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

want Runes and Skills trader -.-"

no need of henchs -.-"

lavertan · Dec 02, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Skills traders and Runes on elite mission? what for?...