Curse

Pkest · Dec 02, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Update - Friday December 1

* Reduced the Priest of Balthazar's price for unlocking the hero Razah to 6000 faction points.

This seems to be such a clear case of 'settling' doesn't it? A variable classed hero would have been arguably worth the 50,000 that was the original target as well as the enormous challenge of acquiring him in pve. As a locked rit...well ok yes usefull maybe if they raise the hero limit to 7 but otherwise sort of useless since with a limit of 3 there are far better choices imho.

sh4d0whunta · Dec 02, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Pkest

Update - Friday December 1

* Reduced the Priest of Balthazar's price for unlocking the hero Razah to 6000 faction points.

This seems to be such a clear case of 'settling' doesn't it? A variable classed hero would have been arguably worth the 50,000 that was the original target as well as the enormous challenge of acquiring him in pve. As a locked rit...well ok yes usefull maybe if they raise the hero limit to 7 but otherwise sort of useless since with a limit of 3 there are far better choices imho.

they made it 50k so noone could get it until the domain of anguish came out as soon as it came out u could get him

viper008 · Dec 02, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Well I say thats Bull $hit it should be just as hard for PVP'ers as it is for the PVE'ers hell in DOA at the moment. 6K faction is a joke and so easy to get I mean farm so now time to make Razah EASIER for PVE'ers.

Whats fair for one is fair for all, this just shows that Anet bows down to PVP more easier than they do the PVE part of the game.

PVP player- Anet skill XX over powerd in HA , RA etc
Anet- Oh a problem with a skill in PVP, well get right on it and fix it.

PVE player - Anet problem with Elite mission access etc
Anet - shrugs shoulder & Roll eyes, No change to them does this ring a bell cough Factions.

The elite mission/quest doesn't justify how hard a single rit is to obtain in PvE.

Pkest · Dec 02, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by sh4d0whunta

they made it 50k so noone could get it until the domain of anguish came out as soon as it came out u could get him

Actually Gaile made it sound like that was a glitch that would be fixed when the area went live. It was not fixed until a few hours later. The manual that shipped with nightfall listed Razah as a variable profession hero and I think they intended it to be that way but ran into some trouble somewhere and settled on the rit since that was the one missing.

Razah as a variable to allow a greater variety of builds etc would be worth excessive faction and the onerous task of acquiring him in pve. Now that they've changed him to a rit he's worth hardly anything (unless someone who gets him comes up with a killer hero battles build that can't be countered without a primary rit of course).

edit: I'm not flaming ANet. I love them and I love the game. I'd just like to see some honest owning up to whatever the problem was with a hero with a changable primary and whether they are still working on completing him or have given up. As it is now they seem to be saying that rits are so uber leet you should be willing to do whatever is necessary to get one and that just seems like an attempt to sell more copies of factions. Again not flaming just respectfully requesting answers.

strcpy · Dec 02, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

*shrug* pretty much what happens with early info on any software project - especially with games. It can be *really* hard to accurately tell what is going to happen. I rather suspect that the sheer number of options was hard to deal with (with 10 classes there are 100 different class combinations). It may have been *really* hard to add a drop down that changed primary and a drop down that changed secondary (without access to the code no one can say). Not to mention the correct way to handle runes. I was as interested in owning the the hero as much as I was in what way they handled it. Though, since it was in the manual I rather expected it to be at least in the beta stage (and therefore one would know it would work and just needed bug fixes). It appears it was, at best, in the alpha stage and dropped.

I tend to agree, that the difficulty in getting Razah is just fine were he variable, for a ritualist - eh. I still want him, and if all it takes is eventually purchasing the gemstones I will have him. But at this point it's more of a completionist thing. I do not care about PvP unlocks, I want him for my PvE characters and it will depend on the cost too.

I'm pretty non-plussed about this type of thing. Too much other stuff in the game and it's not like I can go someplace else that doesn't do it. While that is kinda "Everyone else is doing it so it is OK" argument, in this case I think it is somewhat valid. Nightfall still has to be one of my favorite games. Since it appears as if it is not a bug and he will not be changeable in the future (such as Ebon Dust Aura not being in the game - one had to know that was a bug and would be fixed) it ranks as "moderately irritating". Rest of the game is still great though.

brokenmonkey · Dec 02, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Lol, I feel SOOOOOO bad for the people who spent 50k Faction XD!!

explodemyheart · Dec 02, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by sh4d0whunta

they made it 50k so noone could get it until the domain of anguish came out as soon as it came out u could get him

Except people did get him, so there goes that idea.

Avarre · Dec 02, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

Lol, I feel SOOOOOO bad for the people who spent 50k Faction XD!!

Anyone with a 50k+ faction cap can make that back with ease, or more likely are UAX.

meerkats · Dec 02, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

Lol, I feel SOOOOOO bad for the people who spent 50k Faction XD!!

why feel bad? people that purchased the dude for 50k now have a lead of 44k faction earned/spent over everyone that will get the rit for 6k....

Velvet Wing · Dec 02, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Anyone with a 50k+ faction cap can make that back with ease, or more likely are UAX.

Agreed

Still I think people could be kinda pissed for spending 50k instead of 6

Well, they should have read guru before unlocking the weird lookign dude

Vahn Roi · Dec 02, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Gaile said they would reduce his cost in this update.

Bankai · Dec 02, 2006, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by viper008

Well I say thats Bull $hit it should be just as hard for PVP'ers as it is for the PVE'ers hell in DOA at the moment. 6K faction is a joke and so easy to get I mean farm so now time to make Razah EASIER for PVE'ers.

Whats fair for one is fair for all, this just shows that Anet bows down to PVP more easier than they do the PVE part of the game.

PVP player- Anet skill XX over powerd in HA , RA etc
Anet- Oh a problem with a skill in PVP, well get right on it and fix it.

PVE player - Anet problem with Elite mission access etc
Anet - shrugs shoulder & Roll eyes, No change to them does this ring a bell cough Factions.

The elite mission/quest doesn't justify how hard a single rit is to obtain in PvE.

Changing the elite access in factions would screw over the whole idea of factions. Why do you want to hold your capital? Not because of some fireworks. You want access to the elite missions. This gives people a reason to play. If they changed it to 'access to those that completed game', do you think people would still get faction for their capital? No. They'll spend it all on amber/jade.

Arcador · Dec 02, 2006, 10:07 AM // 10:07

Is it possible to get your Faction storage limit to 50k?
This means a LOT of RA/TA, a LOT of GvG and A LOT of HA. And again, is it still possible?

B Ephekt · Dec 02, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by Arcador

Is it possible to get your Faction storage limit to 50k?

Yes.

Rank 9 + Champ title + Gladiator title = 50k+
Rank 10 + Glad or Champ title = 50k+
Rank 11 = 50k

viper008 · Dec 02, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Bankai

Changing the elite access in factions would screw over the whole idea of factions. Why do you want to hold your capital? Not because of some fireworks. You want access to the elite missions. This gives people a reason to play. If they changed it to 'access to those that completed game', do you think people would still get faction for their capital? No. They'll spend it all on amber/jade.

The fact remains that theirs always more than one way to open the Elite mission to everyone. Anet choose to ignore all the ideas that the community gave on Factions Elite missions.

Sorry your post is irrelevant

Like this guy said

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Razah is not an special hero.
Is not worth 4 of those gems.

You can unlock it in PvP just by 6000 faction.

Acquistion of a ritualist hero shoud have been in Factions like the assain, another mesmer should have been in Prophecies, next chapter shoud have one of each of it sprofessions and Razah should have been really a Varaible Hero.

So nothing Anyone or Anet can say to justify the hell that PVE'ers have to go throught to unlock Razah in PVE, and plus NOT EVERYONE cares about the Elite missions. Many players just want to get Razah and go on their merry way to finish all the other stuff they want do in the game.