Curse

stamenflicker · Dec 09, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Well in spite of some amazing additions, NF is losing its appeal. I've now completed the game with my ranger, ritualist, and last night my Dervish. I can honestly say I am tired of it. Especially the upper boards that force you to leave the build you enjoy playing, and switch to a less fun build just to get through the mission. (example: having to replace high energy skills in domain of madness, or disable half your skill bar in the domain of pain)

I think playing it with the Dervish really did me in. My ranger breezed through NF. But the aggro issues really made playing a Dervish frustrating, even though I'd beaten the game twice and knew exactly what to do. I spent most of my time on the upper boards hanging in the back lines and wasting a whole character slot. It was the only way to keep two or three mobs from hitting my groups at the same time. What a shame it is to have a melee toon that has to hang in the back just because Anet stuck mobs too close together. That wasn't fun, and I hate just standing around.

There is no way I will be taking my assn or my warrior through NF. Besides all the grind of sunspear points, grinding up hero lvls, and grinding through boards that were designed to merely aggravate PvE players-- I just don't want my beat-down toons cowering in the back.

One week later, DoA is nothing short of frustrating either. Hats off to you have found good groups (which can take upwards of an hour) and had the patience to forge through it (which can take upwards of 2 hours per area). I sincerely compliment you for your patience.

But Sorrow's Furnace was the ideal Guild Wars addition. There's nothing like going to a mission, coming out before 2am, and looking at your inventory to see you actually accomplished something. That's fun, and fun is what gaming is about for me.

I have noticed that DoA has dropped to only 2, maybe three functional districts. The only reason it has more than one district is because people who just finished the game want to check it out. Within a month it will more empty than the Deep was. 95% of the community isn't going to bother.

So, I dunno what I'm going to do now. There's very little left in either of the two campains for me to do, except run a Dervish through. I may run one more time through NF with a paragon just to have something to do in the other campaigns.

All in all, NF was great thrill ride. For a month. The replayability of this chapter is horrid. I played Prophecies and Factions non-stop for six months a piece. And I still go to Sorrow's Furnace and have a blast. Guess its back to that, or maybe a new game. I dunno.

Ecksor · Dec 09, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I agree with you completely. I have only gone through the game on my Dervish, and even that was enough for me to not want to play it again. The whole campaign is grinding in my opinion. If you want a good game to play other than Guild Wars, try Rainbow Six Vegas.

Amity and Truth · Dec 09, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Honestly? Nightfall is a great Chapter for GuildWars and basically offers as much replayability as the other ones. The only problem is that it has turned into a downright Single Player Game and that's simply a place where it terribly loses to other games.

Lyphen · Dec 09, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Simply put, it looks like you burnt yourself out.

death fuzzy · Dec 09, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

wow.. you beat the game already?

50 hours in, 41 days, i just reached the realm of torment.

(no, im not a slow player, i just do a lot of random stuff. eg. farming, training other characters, etc.)

Dev121 · Dec 09, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

I still play it , its still fun ,100x better than factions was

. As for DoA , I dont play it either , not because of difficulty but because of the boredom of elite missions , I never played the deep or ugroz just because well ..... they sucked , SF was a great addition so much more but it was the impact of new items which made that better . I wish they would add something more intresting , who knows what but not the same elite mission sort of thing over and over ,,, how about fort invasions with alliances that gain areas all over the map .

Also get prophcies back on top again!!! Rebuild ascalon missions and orr , just add new intresting stuff people want to do for fun , not just to get a hero

lacasner · Dec 09, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Farming, what kind?

And yea, in my 8+ years of gaming experience I have never seen a company before that encourages people to takes breaks from their game. I want to spend my life on this game Anet, ok? I would even pay a monthly fee for new content to be added to all three chapters. Just more open-endedness, and I would pay per month if money is what it takes for a change.

lyra_song · Dec 09, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Moral of the story:

More open endedness plz

The forced linearity does get annoying :|

I like the gates concept to an extent, but the areas need to be bigger >

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Note: If you play Nintendo's Wiisports they tell you to take breaks like every half hour.

Neo Nugget · Dec 09, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

i beat the game on my necro (had a blast) and it was very satisfying. what i need to get used to is the very long area of istan:P. Much slower than pre and shing jea but it is also more in depth so i guess that evens things out.oh and you get to go to great temple too which is a plus.

lacasner · Dec 09, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Hehe lyra, haven't seen you here in a while

Ya, I have been preaching that for a while..but I think without a monthly fee it won't happen. With 5 or 10 dollars a month though, I would pay, and Anet would make more money. Right now, its the only thing that can save this game imo.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 09, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I just finshed the game with my ranger two weeks ago, my mesmer and ritualist should last me till the next chapter. I don't see how you can expect to do the missons over and over again non-stop for six months. I think you are a normal player two or three times through any chapter is more than enough. Delete some toons and you won't feel obligated to repeat the missions when you really dont want to.

Fates · Dec 09, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

As I've said in previous posts....I'm fine with having to work one or two characters through, but I really have no interest in trying to get all 9 of mine through just to get them to DoA.

Please bring back running. K? Thanks.

Rera · Dec 09, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I don't have any problems with the OP except for the first two complaints, which are pretty ridiculous if you stop and think about them.

Your first complaint is that you couldn't use the build you wanted to beat the game. OH NOES the game is making you think and adapt. If people could use whatever random build they wanted and beat the game, there would be no point in playing it. What if I want to play the game with an empty skillbar? The game should let me win even if I have no equipped skills! Ridiculous.

Your second complaint is aggro management. I have two tips for you: get a longbow, and learn to flag your henchmen. Just because you have no clue how to handle aggro with a melee character doesn't mean there's an inherent flaw in the game.

stamenflicker · Dec 09, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Rera

I don't have any problems with the OP except for the first two complaints, which are pretty ridiculous if you stop and think about them.

I have no problem with milk, cept its white and a dairy product. Jeez.

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Your first complaint is that you couldn't use the build you wanted to beat the game. OH NOES the game is making you think and adapt. If people could use whatever random build they wanted and beat the game, there would be no point in playing it. What if I want to play the game with an empty skillbar? The game should let me win even if I have no equipped skills! Ridiculous.

Yeah. That's what I said. I want to be able to beat the game with an empty skill bar. Remind me again, which statement is ridiculous.

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Your second complaint is aggro management. I have two tips for you: get a longbow, and learn to flag your henchmen. Just because you have no clue how to handle aggro with a melee character doesn't mean there's an inherent flaw in the game.

I have more than just a clue. I have three characters through the game. I think I know how to flag heroes, and manage aggro. Thank you very much. I know what is needed to master every mission. I also know that a ranged team owns NF hands down. I ran a guildie through Varesh, all domain missions, and the final mission in about 2 hours. We mastered all three of the final missions on the first try.

That doesn't change the fact that melee characters have to stand around the back lines and not fight because the aggro and wounded creature running is programmed horribly.

EPO Bot · Dec 09, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Advice for burnouts: Take a two week break. You'll get back.

Gorebrex · Dec 09, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Hehe lyra, haven't seen you here in a while

Ya, I have been preaching that for a while..but I think without a monthly fee it won't happen. With 5 or 10 dollars a month though, I would pay, and Anet would make more money. Right now, its the only thing that can save this game imo.

A monthly fee would kill GW for me. I absolutely refuse to pay a monthly subscription to ANY game. WoW, EQ? Never played, but would be ok with a free trial. SWG(original, GOOD one), AO(long ago), CoH? Played trials, had lots of fun, then stopped because of subscription. We need to work to make games like GW the new model. I didnt have a problem with subscription games when you would pay for each hour you used(though I never played them then), as you werent paying for time you couldnt possibly use(sleeping, power outage, hard/software failure, ect). Free to play should become alot more common, in my opinion.

lacasner · Dec 09, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Its not a burnout, he is not like: Woah, I am tired (not angry tired, but physically or mentally tired) such as a post-exam burnout. He is tired of the way of the game.

Hyper Cutter · Dec 09, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

There is no way I will be taking my assn or my warrior through NF. Besides all the grind of sunspear points, grinding up hero lvls, and grinding through boards that were designed to merely aggravate PvE players-- I just don't want my beat-down toons cowering in the back.

Foreign characters no longer need to bother with sunspear points, btw...

Seltack · Dec 09, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Nightfall was meh for me. I played through Proph a few times, got 5 or 6 characters to around Ember light camp and finished the final missions twice or three times, played through factions fully on 5 characters and didn't get fed up (besides my dislike for some areas) at all despite playing through it one character after another for a few months. Nightfall I finished in a week on my warrior, started on my new paragon and the boredem of noob island killed that at the first mission. The thought of sunspear farming again has put me off bothering with other old characters, despite some great missions/areas there's a lot of boring crap that I never want to play again (e.g. that stupid talk to all these npcs at a party and play lame mini games to avoid paying to finish it, having to use heroes on certain missions that you never want to use at other times so having to carry level 14 heroes through the last parts of the game).

Maybe it's because I've been unable to pvp recently to isp/vent issues that I am somehow disliking pve more than usual, but nightfall hardly blew me away with the exception of the early docks mission which I thought was cool as it actually felt like you were in a real battle.

stamenflicker · Dec 09, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

I just finshed the game with my ranger two weeks ago, my mesmer and ritualist should last me till the next chapter. I don't see how you can expect to do the missons over and over again non-stop for six months. I think you are a normal player two or three times through any chapter is more than enough. Delete some toons and you won't feel obligated to repeat the missions when you really dont want to.

Delete some toons? Arg. I actually loved taking them through both Proph and Factions. I loved making sure I had every elite capped for them, and a few others for my builds. They are like my children. I can't delete my children.