Curse

Celeborn · Dec 02, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Kalidon

Not that many.

I opened roughly 50 chests in 2 hours, and the only interesting new items were the Shadow Axe, Shadow Scythe, Talon Daggers and a couple of others.

Yeah and whoever said you don't get purpled...grrr!!

At least if you get a good mod on one you can keep it for sure now.

EDIT: I saw someone selling Menzie's Influence green. O_o

Cebe · Dec 02, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Ok, so when someone comes up with a solo build for eles let me know ...mmmkay?

Neo Nugget · Dec 02, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

I would rather wrestle shiro than do this lol. I do admit it is not what i expected. I can understand you get super cool rewards and i really like that part. Oh and hero primeval?not half bad.12 man would suit this better. I really dont feel like doing this right now. So im gonna do other things in my new 15k sunspear necro armor from beating the game

I might later today though.

KamikazeChicken · Dec 02, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by saphir

finally a new challenging area where real thinking and and problem solving will be required.

i gotta try out my uw monk there when i get home

I'm quite amused.

HawkofStorms · Dec 02, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

Oh, except I still can't experiment with the Ritualist hero, because, well... I'm being denied access to that content simply because I have a life and can't breathe Guild Wars to the point that allows me to succeed in the area he's located.

You are being denied access because you don't want to put effort into trying to clear a tough area that is required to get the guy?!?

That makes no sense at all.

Seriously, this will just be more noobs whining about not getting what they want RIGHT now. Why does FoW cost so much? I want it NOW! etc etc No different. You don't NEED a Ritualist hero. You want to experiment with him, go unlock him through PvP.

reetkever · Dec 02, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

We need such rewards for UW and FoW, so people will actually do all the quests and not just farm for ectos/shards/spider/forgemaster.

But really, wtf :P

I got myself a very good party, we had a strategy, and we were very happy! We go out of the portal, and get just torn apart by 1 group of Margonites... And one dude said 'wow you really don't know what youre doing, newbs' and left -_-

Why did I like heroes again and disliked overpowered AI?

Hmmm but it's kinda funny though :P No matter what I try it just doesn't work :P

Shadis · Dec 02, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Sacrificing fun for overbearing and frustrating challenge is always a mistake. Who knows, maybe a build will come out to make this a cakewalk in the future, but right now a lot of people are just frustrated.

I'm not a fan of creating "challenge" by simply pumping up mobs, giving them overpowered skills and spamming them all over the map. It feels bush league. It's something a newbie campaign creator in SC/WC3 for example would do. I hope they are at least monitoring this and gauging player reaction and will act accordingly in the future.

Right now most of the response I see are people who are simply not having fun in this area. I tend to agree with them. A.net could really stand to tone it down a bit and still keep the challenge, it just might take some creativity on their end. As of right now, there's nothing creative about how this place is setup.

LoKi Foxfire · Dec 02, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

I love these new quests... the accept button for this one read "Sure, what's so hard about an infinite horde of demons..." or something to that respect. Anyways, I ran into like 12 of these guys all using Touch of Agony and Dark Aura. My heroes died pretty fast.

Also, you can use Necrotic Traversal to sneak around but you won't get too far:

buy and die · Dec 02, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by stamenflicker

I got in five or six different pugs. You gotta figure that most people who can get there are pretty decent players since they beat the game already.

We got owned. Got into a few deeper places, got owned. 2.5 hours is enough for me. I won't be back there until you guys with no life spend the next week figuring out the right builds. Personally, I have better things to do.

I don't really understand what the problem is with building another SF type expansion. Put in some good drops. Don't make it overly difficult (example: no more "everytime you block, dodge, or evade you take 50 damage" -- that is f'n BS if you are a ranger), everyone enjoys the heck out of it for five or six months, then we move on.

To this day I don't know of a single person that enjoys the Deep or Urzog's Warren. No one looks forward to going there. The drops are crummy, the maps are stupid and long. You have to have exactly the right mix of players to come close. And you can successfully spend one hour, die at the end and get nothing. While I am sure there are a few fools out there that enjoy that sort of thing, I don't know of any.

Sorrow's Furnace on the other hand was fun. Our guild still farms there. It is productive. You get stuff. You go to bed happy. It what a freaking GAME is supposed to be.

No more Anguish for me. It's another Deep mission. It's a waste.

Even though I cant claim to still farm SF you speak what my brain is thinking.

Sable Phoenix · Dec 02, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Shadis

Sacrificing fun for overbearing and frustrating challenge is always a mistake. Who knows, maybe a build will come out to make this a cakewalk in the future, but right now a lot of people are just frustrated.

I'm not a fan of creating "challenge" by simply pumping up mobs, giving them overpowered skills and spamming them all over the map. It feels bush league. It's something a newbie campaign creator in SC/WC3 for example would do. I hope they are at least monitoring this and gauging player reaction and will act accordingly in the future.

Right now most of the response I see are people who are simply not having fun in this area. I tend to agree with them. A.net could really stand to tone it down a bit and still keep the challenge, it just might take some creativity on their end. As of right now, there's nothing creative about how this place is setup.

Exactly correct.

Too many game designers don't realize that "challenge" does not necessarily equal "hard", and that "hard" rarely equals "fun".

YornStar · Dec 02, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Can you give me details? Or is this just posting for fun? I can assure you it's not "fixed," because we were not able to replicate it, although the team was working on it.

Do be aware, when I see comments like this, I ask QA to investigate and they are kind enough to oblige. Reading further down, it appears this wasn't a genuine bug, and that means I've just wasted a bunch of people's time -- people who could have been working on real bugs.

I don't mean to lay a guilt trip on you, but I will ask everyone to please not post this sort of thing, because it has harmful effects and negatively impacts our ability to improve the game. Ok? Thanks!

lol, sorry, I just posted something a guy told me in the game, and he told me that they were cleaning the area.

Sorry again, and I'm glad that you people are working on bugs, even if they quite doubtable.

chichory · Dec 02, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

I love these new quests... the accept button for this one read "Sure, what's so hard about an infinite horde of demons..." or something to that respect. Anyways, I ran into like 12 of these guys all using Touch of Agony and Dark Aura. My heroes died pretty fast.

Also, you can use Necrotic Traversal to sneak around but you won't get too far:

Nice work

Maybe you could try this skill, may help alittle http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mirror_of_Disenchantment, though with 10 second recharge on aura would be limited.
Guess that also rules out the A/me build, thanks for posting.

Neo Nugget · Dec 02, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

ijust saw a rank 3 + lb title group...oh boy.

Ulivious The Reaper · Dec 02, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

i bet B/p will pwn this.. >.>

stamenflicker · Dec 02, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Shadis

Sacrificing fun for overbearing and frustrating challenge is always a mistake. Who knows, maybe a build will come out to make this a cakewalk in the future, but right now a lot of people are just frustrated.

But don't you understand, this is the problem. "Making a Build that will..." What ends up happening everytime A-Net does something like this is that a handful of professions get screwed. No body wants the mesmer for this mission, no body wants the warrior for that one. ETC. ETC.

People start getting caught up in their builds, then some poor smuck from where-ever is left trying to get into a group after spending two months trying to beat the game. But he can't get picked up. Because he's not B/P. Because he's not SS. Because he's not whatever the new "fad" is for doing a tough mission. Because he dared to say, "Degen mesmer LFG." He forever stands groupless in the elite missions.

WhiteZombie · Dec 02, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

oh i tried to do the razah quest....i need the gemstones...4 .....1 of each...from the big 30k xp quest...which is hard:P. Mabye i wont get razah:P.

well you have two choices. you can either try the quest, or try to farm all the different kinds of gem as a rare drop. neither of which is particularly easy

Elruid · Dec 02, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

No, idiot, that is not what I'm saying. I'm being denied access because I have a real life with responsibilites, and do not have the time to put together the perfect character and perfect team and execute the perfect plans needed to acquire that hero. I'm being denied access because I don't happen to fall into that 5 or 10 per-cent of the playerbase that can actually do this kind of content.

Also, I despise PVP, I never touch it, so that suggestion was useless.

And so, GW became WoW..

It's the raiders vs. those who don't.
Seriously, even Blizzard themselves are moving AWAY from such extreme exclusion.
I am a bit amazed about such drasticity, because to me it's not what I was playing GW for.
But yah, joy is fleeting and ..Anguish.. doth linger.

jon0592 · Dec 02, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Anet needs to fix this. Page what, 20? Well, from 20-31 its all rants with the exception of a few.

Why do we play games? To have fun.
What happens when we fight the first mob? We die.
Is dieing fun? No.

So we're not having fun.

I love Guild Wars too much to quit, but this DoA is seriously pissing me off.

manitoba1073 · Dec 02, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

after 5 attemps at soloing some parts, i will say it is VERY possible to 135hp some of it. since i wasnt echoing spell breaker and just playing around. just have to be fast, spirit bond and prot spirit FTW

supaet · Dec 02, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

I feel like guru is a place full of pathetic kids. Please, it's an ELITE area, if you die there, doesn't mean you suck, but just means that you're NOT ELITE
why have to complain about it? YOU DONT HAVE TO BEAT IT. There is nothing wrong with creating an area that takes you 100+ tries to beat it. Remember those who complain there's nothing to do after you beat the game?
Furstrated for the fact that you can't beat an ELITE area of a GAME? How can you live your pathetic life?