Curse

Avarre · Dec 26, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Kalki

When people say they'll waste thousands and thousands of minutes losing if they don't leave a bad group, either they are exagerating a lot, or it's time to just give Guild Wars one last /ragequit and uninstall the game.

That or they're raising the title to the higher tiers. You played 35 games, there are those that play hundreds a day.

Keithark · Dec 26, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Noobs --- you too were once a noob, get over yourself and be helpful instead of quitting. I have started doing randoms lately and I am a noob and I tell the people on my team that I am. I also ask between games that we win what should I be doing differently. The response? Not one thing. But they sure are quick to spam things like noob after we lose. Seems funny to me that 0% of the people ever offer anything constructive but about 60% are quick to tell you you suck.

Quitters --- should be banned from randoms for 1 hour from the time of rage quit and after some # (say 100) rage quits then their acct should be banned. I am not talking about quitting after a win or loss to get back to town faster or go eat or whatever just those that quit before game is won or lost. Also a side note, most of the times people quit is because they suck and for them to ever get a streak they have to have a great monk and rt on thier team. They think "I am great and not wasting my time with no monk" but in reality the very few glad points I have most were gained with no monk. So in short these leet quitters just suck too bad to play without an advantage over the other random team.

New pve players --- Don't know how to beat a mission? Check wiki if you can't figure it out after that ask in town, there are still a few of us that enjoy helping others get thru a tough mission. (I have completed all 3 games with all my characters with prot title on most of them) I still go do the missions with pugs because so many are new to the game and do not know or understand what needs to be done...if they get discouraged enough then they stop buying new games and GW goes away and I am then forced to find another game that I like and start all over from the beginning..helping others have a good time is also helping me have a good time. I bet I have done gates of madness 100 times and not because it is fun, but I sure do have a large friends list and not ppl that are in my guild, but ppl that I helped and said that they were adding me to their list and that if I ever needed their help just ask them and they would try to return the favor.

Titles -- they mean nothing to some but for some they are the reason for being in the game. I get thru these games fast and then have 5 1/2 months to wait for the next one so titles are all that is left for me to do. If I have to spend a whole night to get one glad point because 7/10 randoms I enter have rage quits then they should be penalized for wasting my time. If must have the perfect team before you will play then go to TA and build the team you want. RA is a place for people to learn not for the "pro's" to get "easy" glad points by quitting until they get a monk, rit, and whatever on their team.

Have I ever just quit in a random? -- yes but only after seeing a guy do it on my team and opposing team several times, then I got on a team with a great monk and a warrior (i was ranger) the quitter (another ranger but different setup than me) got in our team and finally stayed, I whispered the other 2 players and we made a deal, got to 8 consecutive wins then we all just stood there and watched him die, then rez him and watch again...then we whispered him and told him that is what he gets for quitting all the time...one of the funniest moments I have had in the game.

Flame away rage quitters but I still say you should be banned from ra's at least an hour and then if you still do it enough then banned for life or months or whatever.

bug_out · Dec 26, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by lacasner

It really infuriates me, especially when they are the ones causing the most detriment to the team. God, they act so big and bad but if they weren't hiding behind the big doors of the internet I bet you they wouldn't be so tough. Do you guys ever meet people like this?

in case no one else has done it...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

Frau Braten · Dec 26, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I think quitters are the lowest type of people in the game. I agree with what Hell said, you are there to support your teammates through thick and thin.

You get on a team with a bunch of noobs, and know you are goingto lose, and quit. Now its 3/4 and the 3 start looking at the odds and quit too, when it gets to 0/4 and the winning team hasn't gotten 5 packages yet, the game ends, and they get nothing for their time. So, when you quit, you can potentially waste 7 other people's time, but that's OK because your time is so much more important then theirs.

When you join a RA snowball fight, you commit to appx 5 mins of working as a team. If you cant make that commitment, you have no right to click the button.

Ive been in many games where there were 2 and 3 quitters, I just sit down on the river, tell the other team to finish quickly, and dont kill me

The Ernada · Dec 26, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't understand how I am wasting anyone's time if I quit out on a team with zero chance to win 30 seconds into the match. The clearly dominant team will win a bit more quickly, getting them their points faster and more quickly moving them to a match that might be against a team with some potential. My own teammates lose nothing because they were going to lose anyway. I am saving myself a lot of time by not wasting 4 minutes watching my teammates act retarded.

Maybe I have a misplaced sense of fun, but I do not have any fun losing blowout matches because my teammates are a bunch of baboons. Having to constantly re-enter the arena trying to find a group of people who know how to play Guild Wars, so that I can have fun, is the most frustrating thing about random formats.

If you don't want me quitting out on your groups, suck less.

Peace,
-CxE

Wow. I'm pretty disappointed in you since most of the time you post the most rational and logical well thought out posts. But I completely think you're in the wrong here.

As others have said, if you can't stand bad players then don't play in any sort of random formats. Unless these people are hurling abuses at you or others there's no reason to quit. When you went into these arenas, you knew damn well that the quality of players would be low and quitting is a form of griefing.

I can't stand these types of random formats anymore so I dont play them anymore. But I think it's pretty damn crappy to go in there with your attitude and that's one reason of many why the RA's are the cesspool of GW. So in addition to griefers, crappy players, trash talkers, you're just adding in the element of constant quitters.

Tempy · Dec 26, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Hell Marauder

You don't abandon your comrades no matter how noobish they're. It has something to do with code of honor, which is within each of us to behold. Quitters who abandon their teammates in time of need, for whatever reasons, belong to the same category with hated leechers, no matter how skillful they think they are. As the old saying goes: it's better to die honorably in battle than to run in the face of enemy and live.

I couldn't agree more!!!

Just a side note...if no one takes the "noobs" aside and shows them how to play they will never get any better and multiply. Remember you didn't walk into this game a God!

Grais · Dec 26, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I wasn't aware the definition of fun included playing with people who not only are incapable of understanding how to play the game, but also refuse to learn. Winning is fun. Wasting thousands of minutes losing due to factors beyond your control is not, especially after the novelty of the arenas wears off (in about 10 minutes).
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Less crying tends to be key.

You said it Avarre, its your signature. Yet there you are crying your little heart out, I need my gamer points .

I love how all the ragequitters have their huge complicated explanations for why they ragequit. Fact is they suck, pure and simple. So caught up in the race for your gay little title, I laugh when I see one, cause I know how they got it. Its a cheap two bit title, and will never be anything more in my eyes, gamer points LOL.
Basically I can go thru the forum and pik out the ragequitters, they are ussually the 'leet' players, you know the ones who think they are better than anyone else, and the rest of the gaming population is basically there for the amusement and entertaiment of such individuals. See the long winded drawn out excuses for what they are, poor excuses.
We all know the true warriors among us dont leave till the match is over, damn the score, damn all their weak ass excuses. Anything else is unacceptable..

getalifebud · Dec 26, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

People are leaving in a few seconds of entering for crappy reasons. I just lost a game against a team of three thanks to leavers, who left in the spawn because they said that rangers arent good, so we lost.

Makkert · Dec 26, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by upier

maybe you should consider a different arena then? maybe something that isnt RANDOM? or is that concept lost on you?

Sigh.

If we're going to throw concepts around, I got one for you. Ensign is a 'spike'. A 'spike' is a psychological gamerprofile. The group gets his enjoyment out of winning. So by asking him to stay, you basically ask him to not have fun.

The other teammembers however, will be of a different psychological gamerprofile, either Johnny or Timmy. Since those 2 groups get their enjoyment in the game through other things then winning, I don't see how a Spike leaving would ruin the enjoyment of non-spikes, since their enjoyment is already comes from other things.

I guess nobody likes to lose, and that is the only valid argument I can see that can be put forward. But as Ensign already said: the battle was already lost. To a 'spike' it can be very quickly clear which team will win, since he observes the behavior of his teammates. A spike can see if there is a chance in hell they will win, or if the team is so terrible they wouldn't win even if they had 5 players.

So the question is: in what way is the team really hurt by a Spike that leaves prematurely? What is your goal you want to accomplish when playing the game? And does a leaver prevent you from obtaining that?

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Originally Posted by Sonya of Red

The problem here is the mind set. In the above example, Ephekt assumes that the other team is full of highly skilled pvp players while his team is filled with noobs. I would argue that while that certainly is the case in some situations in many situations the teams are fairly even. Take me for example. Like many people who are in the snow fights I am not a pvper but wanted to try this winter pvp thing out. I'm sure that there are many regular pver's like me who are joining in on the fun. The problem is that we really are pvp newbs. For people who pvp frequently you have certain skills that you have developed over time - for example body blocking that us newbs have no clue about. Sure it can be frustrating for you but you chose a random areana - sorry. Its not perfect but it can still be fun. Heck instead of rage quitting or giving up you could step up to a leadership role. give some guidance heck maybe even make a friend or two. Because, and again I may be wrong, but I bet that is the whole point of the holiday festivities, to put aside the your typical hardcore playing rules and just have some fun.

Just my three cents - I may be wrong.

I understand your point of view. The thing is that many players don't even TRY to win. I see people standing still like they are on holiday when the first present spawns. I see them play it like it is an annihilationmatch. I see them standing still while I'm running a present, while they could actually throw a snowball around to defend me somewhat. If you got one or two of these jokers in your team, there is not a chance in hell the team will win. And I feel no remorse leaving teams with such players. Sorry if there is one goodwilling player in that team, but it's a lost cause then.

B Ephekt · Dec 26, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Sonya of Red

The problem here is the mind set. In the above example, Ephekt assumes that the other team is full of highly skilled pvp players while his team is filled with noobs. I would argue that while that certainly is the case in some situations in many situations the teams are fairly even. Take me for example. Like many people who are in the snow fights I am not a pvper but wanted to try this winter pvp thing out. I'm sure that there are many regular pver's like me who are joining in on the fun. The problem is that we really are pvp newbs. For people who pvp frequently you have certain skills that you have developed over time - for example body blocking that us newbs have no clue about. Sure it can be frustrating for you but you chose a random areana - sorry. Its not perfect but it can still be fun. Heck instead of rage quitting or giving up you could step up to a leadership role. give some guidance heck maybe even make a friend or two. Because, and again I may be wrong, but I bet that is the whole point of the holiday festivities, to put aside the your typical hardcore playing rules and just have some fun.

Just my three cents - I may be wrong.

I don't expect everyone in every team I join to be amazing, I just expect them to have some idea of how to win the game type presented to them. All I want is teammates who can read the instructions and actually apply some logical thought to their actions in game. Is that really too much to ask for?

Additionally, if the fun some people are getting out of the arena is derived from simply throwing snowballs at the opposing team, I don't really see how my leaving is taking away from their fun. But at the same time, I don't feel obligated to stay in a match that I'm not having fun in.

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Originally Posted by Grais

Its a cheap two bit title, and will never be anything more in my eyes, gamer points LOL.

The title increases your faction cap by 5k, which is a notable reward for pvpers. I could personally care less about the title itself, I just wanted a higher faction cap (shooting for 70k soon).

Yandawar · Dec 26, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Makkert

The other teammembers however, will be of a different psychological gamerprofile, either Johnny or Timmy. Since those 2 groups get their enjoyment in the game through other things then winning, I don't see how a Spike leaving would ruin the enjoyment of non-spikes, since their enjoyment is already comes from other things.

I don't know how valid these "profiles" are, but regardless of that, things aren't black and white. Everyone will have a bit of everything in them, and thus to use your words, the "spike" part of the remaining players will have had their fun ruined for them.

I can imagine that for the majority of players, losing games isn't a problem. (I've personally enjoyed many 4-5 losses much more than many 5-0 wins.) But losing games because someone thought so little of their skills and their worth as human beings as to not consider it worth their effort to work together for five lousy minutes? That might be a problem.

Makkert · Dec 26, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Yandawar

I don't know how valid these "profiles" are, but regardless of that, things aren't black and white. Everyone will have a bit of everything in them, and thus to use your words, the "spike" part of the remaining players will have had their fun ruined for them.

you are right in that there are crossbreeds between the 3 playerprofiles, each with its own distinctive characteristics. But it goes beyond the scope of this discussion to discuss them here fully, so I didn't. If there is a part of spike in the players, I can easily pick it out. Simply because they want to win, and will try to win. Whatever way they will choose to accomplish 'winning' that is defined by their primarily playerprofile, if they have an ounce of spike in them, they will play to win.

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I can imagine that for the majority of players, losing games isn't a problem. (I've personally enjoyed many 4-5 losses much more than many 5-0 wins.) But losing games because someone thought so little of their skills and their worth as human beings as to not consider it worth their effort to work together for five lousy minutes? That might be a problem.

Hold on there. You are WAY out of line here. Where the hell did you got 'little worth as human beings' from? You just trolled this thread. I know many players that aren't the most skillfull, but that I hold in high esteem personality wise.
Skill doesn't equal personality. Some of the most skillfull players are real asses, and vice versa.

Yandawar · Dec 26, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

My apologies, that characterization might indeed have been out of line. Although it's not a big step to that from, for example, Ensign's "I do not have any fun losing blowout matches because my teammates are a bunch of baboons".

Tempy · Dec 26, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Makkert

Skill doesn't equal personality. Some of the most skillfull players are reall asses, and vice versa.

So very true, I would much rather play with someone that is trying and having fun, next to the ass that THINKS he's all that!

Threepwood · Dec 26, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Well, I have the same story as the OP. I thought: Let's have some fun in the snowball arena, but every game you join you either have one or two leavers or one or two people AFK.

Some people think they're not doing anything wrong, but I can assure you that at the moment you're not doing anything at all (or just leave), you're wasting other people's time and not to mention angry them. I agree than the snowball arena's are meant to be fun, and you can have fun. But most of the times you're just getting annoyed by people leaving, leaving you and another player against 4 opponents...

Since most people join the arena's for title purposes, like the skill show-offs ( (-; ), then there are a few possibilities on which I might agree upon:
* Ban of 15-30 minutes form the arena if the person involved:
- does not touch a key for 1 minute after the actual fight has started.
- leaves 2 fights in-a-row before the game is finished.
* Next to that, there should be a title-subtractor giving -20 points to each of the above conditions, with ofcourse 0 as endpoint, else people would love to go -1.000 or so.

Bottomline: How is it meant to be fun if there are other people that spoil the fun for you? From my point of view, a small punishment should be in order. For all I care, call in a punishment vote system, where at least half of the people have to agree for the player to be punished (to enable ban). Plenty of suggestions, but in the end we all want that people start to play with each other, and that no person should feel better than any other one.

Just my two eurocents...

Makkert · Dec 27, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Threepwood

Since most people join the arena's for title purposes, like the skill show-offs ( (-; ), then there are a few possibilities on which I might agree upon:
* Ban of 15-30 minutes form the arena if the person involved:
- does not touch a key for 1 minute after the actual fight has started.
- leaves 2 fights in-a-row before the game is finished.
* Next to that, there should be a title-subtractor giving -20 points to each of the above conditions, with ofcourse 0 as endpoint, else people would love to go -1.000 or so.

There is a thing called Real Life. I hear it calls people away from the game sometimes.

Or in other words: Bad Idea.

Avarre · Dec 27, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Grais

You said it Avarre, its your signature. Yet there you are crying your little heart out, I need my gamer points .

I love how all the ragequitters have their huge complicated explanations for why they ragequit. Fact is they suck, pure and simple. So caught up in the race for your gay little title, I laugh when I see one, cause I know how they got it. Its a cheap two bit title, and will never be anything more in my eyes, gamer points LOL.

This might come as a shock to you, but I don't play in snowball arenas. I got tier one without ragequitting, often playing with teams that had 3 functional players, and then stopped because it was boring. Please do not make assumptions, as in no prior post in this thread I have ever referred to myself or my own actions.

Your own rhetoric righteousness is the only thing crying its heart out.

Back to the actual topic at hand;

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

The title increases your faction cap by 5k, which is a notable reward for pvpers. I could personally care less about the title itself, I just wanted a higher faction cap (shooting for 70k soon).

Er, do you have proof of that? I don't recall getting a cap increase from it.

I agree with Makkert over the punishment issue - if random arenas are meant to be just for fun, then that seems contrary to the spirit. Ragers will find other ways to get around it, and the problems will not be removed. Changing policy doesn't generally change people.

greyf0x_f0x · Dec 27, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

I can confirm that snowball titles up to r2 give NO increase to balth cap. I know for a fact that I had a cap of 28k before I started snowballing, and it's still at exactly that, with my r2 title.

I can't speak for "Numchuck" and beyond, however.

Sakki · Dec 27, 2006, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Well, I recently went to RA to play a little bit for fun, and to accumulate some faction. Ok, my first five matches at LEAST one person on my team left, and not only that but I found out something else. 2 of these 5 matches I had the same player leave, and I will not mention the players name, even though I really want to.

Me: Dude, why did you just leave wtf?
Him: I am teh bestest, i iz not playn wit u nubs. (yes, he did say it like this I am not kidding lol)
Me: Dude, you suck ass you bitch (Ya, I was angry which doesn't justify this reaction but still his reaction infuriated me.)
Him: U iz teh nubbest losr evar, stfu nooob.

He ignored me after that, but apparently he does that all day to piss people off. The community can't be changed, there are people like this, and I don't really care. I just want the system to somehow be changed to even out the teams if one has less players than another. This game has so much balance anyway, I don't know why Anet won't just complete their balancing job all over the game instead of just sections.

My god lol... l cant believe someone like him actually exists

Anyway, l dont have much problems in snowball arena with rage quitters, since l dont have the time to get fustrated over scum like them.

VGJustice · Dec 27, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Ensign

If you don't want me quitting out on your groups, suck less.

Cold, Ensign. Funny, but cold. And, while I agree with you about not wanting to waste my time playing a losing game I can't help but say that this quote is wrong.

On the one hand, you go into the Snowball Arena and note that someone on your side has already left the match. Problem, but not insurmountable, you press on. Then you notice that the other 2 members or your party are AFK. Oh great, you're alone. In this case, I'd leave and have no regrets. I stand 0 chance of winning and I'd just be wasting my time by even trying.

On the other hand, I enter and have a full party. In All chat, one of my team members starts to ask "HOW 2 PLAY???", while others charge the opposing group but avoid the presents. To me, I know I'm going to lose, but I also consider my fellow team mates. They can't possibly be having fun as they have an absolute 0 chance of success due to their lack of knowledge on the subject. In this case, I'd most likely try to explain to them (quickly) how to play that format, since it could very well be their first time. I wouldn't get bent out of shape about it, some people don't know and most arn't willing to help them out. If I help them, and they become better at the game, then they will most likely be more helpful to any OTHER players they get paired with, making the game better on the whole. So, I spend 5 minutes losing. Big deal, I helped out some newbies that don't suck anymore. In theory, of course.

I won't quit because my team mates in the Random format don't know how to play, but I will quit if they're directly exploiting the game or if there is simply no chance at all.