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lacasner · Dec 26, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I also hate it how noobs act like they now everything. They are so ignorant it infuriates me, and any build thats not completely cookie cutter will get you this response:

"Dood WTF u suakc go bakc to PvE fr N00bs, wid ur n00b FoW! Go farm UW stfu, lern2play losr and nevar com bakc!"

It really infuriates me, especially when they are the ones causing the most detriment to the team. God, they act so big and bad but if they weren't hiding behind the big doors of the internet I bet you they wouldn't be so tough. Do you guys ever meet people like this?

Sonya of Red · Dec 26, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

The thing is that most players have no clue how to succeed in a relic run game type, which makes trying to win rather frustrating. If I join a team that has 3 people doing nothing but throwing snowballs at the other team, rather than helping cap, body block or protect the runner, I will leave because it's not fun waiting out a match you're obviously going to lose.

Sorry if that annoys you, but I'm not going to stick around if I'm not having fun just to appease some sensitive types.

The problem here is the mind set. In the above example, Ephekt assumes that the other team is full of highly skilled pvp players while his team is filled with noobs. I would argue that while that certainly is the case in some situations in many situations the teams are fairly even. Take me for example. Like many people who are in the snow fights I am not a pvper but wanted to try this winter pvp thing out. I'm sure that there are many regular pver's like me who are joining in on the fun. The problem is that we really are pvp newbs. For people who pvp frequently you have certain skills that you have developed over time - for example body blocking that us newbs have no clue about. Sure it can be frustrating for you but you chose a random areana - sorry. Its not perfect but it can still be fun. Heck instead of rage quitting or giving up you could step up to a leadership role. give some guidance heck maybe even make a friend or two. Because, and again I may be wrong, but I bet that is the whole point of the holiday festivities, to put aside the your typical hardcore playing rules and just have some fun.

Just my three cents - I may be wrong.

Orphan Anthem · Dec 26, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by upier

maybe you should consider a different arena then? maybe something that isnt RANDOM? or is that concept lost on you?

True this is RANDOM but one would expect a level of play that would atlast give you a fighting chance to win, not a complete 5-0 blowout. When this does happen best option is to just leave and re-enter and hope for someone with a better understanding of play

Kalki · Dec 26, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I don't understand how I am wasting anyone's time if I quit out on a team with zero chance to win 30 seconds into the match.

How do you determine if a team has "zero" chance of winning? What if the team has 10% chance of winning? Do you leave or stay?

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The clearly dominant team will win a bit more quickly, getting them their points faster and more quickly moving them to a match that might be against a team with some potential. My own teammates lose nothing because they were going to lose anyway. I am saving myself a lot of time by not wasting 4 minutes watching my teammates act retarded.

And how did you "act" when you were new to Guild Wars? How long did it take you to become perfect at relic runs? If people didn't want to play with you cause you sucked what would you have done? Probably quit and moved on to another game. Take a look in the mirror, when you say such BS cause it doesn't make you look good at all.

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Maybe I have a misplaced sense of fun, but I do not have any fun losing blowout matches because my teammates are a bunch of baboons. Having to constantly re-enter the arena trying to find a group of people who know how to play Guild Wars, so that I can have fun, is the most frustrating thing about random formats.

If you can't handle be paired with newbs to the extent you ruin the game, then don't play in random arenas. You might be having fun by cheating the system, but you're ruining it for people that just want to play an honest random 4 vs. 4 without a bunch of quitters.

Please do not flame in this thread. I want to make a point to Anet that the vast majority of their players aren't happy with the state of the arenas, and the exploits that ruin them. I've given up on arguing with the community about this issue. People that just don't understand, that this ruins the game, will never get it. They are cheaters and exploiters at heart. To them it's just using every advantage available for them to win, and to hell with everyone else and fair play. This problem is very old now, and it's completely Anet's fault it's not fixed yet.

greyf0x_f0x · Dec 26, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Firstly, let me say that I'm usually someone who loathes rage quiters/ leavers. When I frequent the random arena, I will stick with a team, win or lose. If you are with a horribly bad team in RA, you will be dead in under a minute.

The problem with the Snowball arena, as I see it, is that there is absolutely NO reason to stick with a team that you believe is going to lose. This is compounded by the fact that even if your team stands afk for the full duration of the round, it will last at least three minutes, chances are, if your team are just prolonging the match (killing people randomly, not running presents etc) it can grind on for five or more.

My current thinking, is that I give a team 1-2 minutes, if within that time, they are not at least breaking even, or showing promise, I will leave, and get another. It is simply not fun to stick with a team who have no clue what to do, and just stand there trading snowballs. The inclusion of titles, combined with the fact there there is no gain (in terms of points, or goodies) for losing, means that the majority of these "OMFG NOOB LEAVERS" are the ones who have an idea of how to play.

Personally, I think that gamer points should have been awarded as 1 point per present handed in, and then +5 for a win. That way, you still get the 10 for a win, but you can get up to 4 for a loss, and it would give even "bad" teams, a reason to keep on fighting, and clawing those presents in. As it stands, I see no reason to continue playing with a hopeless team all it does is prolong the suffering, of both sides.

Kalki · Dec 26, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Nah if they gave any reward at all for the losing side you know that AFK farming would be rampant.

greyf0x_f0x · Dec 26, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Then penalise people who afk farm; these are the people who are making these arenas less fun, either directly (by providing 4v3 or worse situations) and indirectly (by causing ANet to introduce anti afk measures, such as no eggnog, no gamer points). Of course they could have simply given us Team Snowball fights, that would have made everyone happy >_>. All the people who didnt care about the points, and wins, could have gone random, and those of us who wanted to play with competant team mates, and enjoyed the dynamics of what is a great mini-game, could have done so.

Burst Cancel · Dec 26, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

The PvP snowball arena in particular is going to have tons of leavers simply because the serious players aren't given the choice of Team Arena format.

Two of my guildmates and I got tired of all the bullshit in random PvP snowball, so we started joinspiking. It took us damn near an hour to get all three of us on the same team, and we probably ruined over a hundred games in the process by leaving. If there was a TA version of PvP snowball, this wouldn't have to happen.

Kalki, your reponses to Ensign are missing the point. The fact is that most serious players find it an irritating waste of time to play with newbies and morons. It isn't a matter of having a 0% chance or a 10% chance of winning, it's a matter of whether the player will stay for a match that is just going to annoy her. Since most people play games to have fun, rather than to run a charity organization or win good samaritan awards, the answer is almost always, "no".

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Originally Posted by greyf0x_f0x

It is simply not fun to stick with a team who have no clue what to do, and just stand there trading snowballs...

...the majority of these "OMFG NOOB LEAVERS" are the ones who have an idea of how to play.

Exactly.

Phades · Dec 26, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by upier

maybe you should consider a different arena then? maybe something that isnt RANDOM? or is that concept lost on you?

Sorry, but there is no such thing as a TA version of the snowball arena. If you have the desire for that format of a small game, because it is different, then you are forced into being frustrated over many different issues that the RA format presents. This is not the fault of the player that chooses to attempt to cycle through losing games as fast as possible and should not be faulted for it, becuase there is no alternative.

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Originally Posted by Sonya of Red

Sure it can be frustrating for you but you chose a random areana - sorry.

Sorry, there is a distinct difference between having the desire to play a snowball fight style arena and having the inability to choose your own team members, unlike the rest of the normal pvp formats. Hell, you cant even go into most of them with a "enter mission" button and be teamed up randomly with others, except the Random arenas and Ft aspenwood/jade quarry.

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Originally Posted by Sonya of Red

Its not perfect but it can still be fun. Heck instead of rage quitting or giving up you could step up to a leadership role. give some guidance heck maybe even make a friend or two. Because, and again I may be wrong, but I bet that is the whole point of the holiday festivities, to put aside the your typical hardcore playing rules and just have some fun.

So, when exactly are they supposed to give everyone on the random team the ventrillo or team speak IP information, so that they can give detailed instructions of when and how things should be occuring, so that his team can learn? I seriously hope you arent suggesting he is to write up a short essay on what not to do and which classes to bring in the short timer before the match starts. I wont even go into how dumb it would be for him to stop doing something useful and begin to write up another essay on tactics mid battle while the gift placement spawns are occuring, while trying to body block and other things. Your idealism is blinding you from the reality of what is feasable within the confines of the game.

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