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NeHoMaR · Dec 26, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Energy Storage is in no way energy management.

Excluding Aura of Restoration, Energy Storage is 100% energy management. And I don't see better energy management than having 100 MP with 4 pips of regeneration, excluding Soul Reaping.

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Only newb casters get owned by melee.

and ... Only newb melee get owned by casters. The same "newb" flaming story in a balanced game.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 26, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

If you take into consideration that each primary has it's own skills, spawning power has energy management too.
A spawning spec'd ritualist halves their spell costs with attuned up. I think it's important to acknowledge all the skills linked to a primary rather than just taking the passive effect a primary gives. The primary skills still greatly differentiate the classes, as their is only 1 way to use primary skills at higher than 1, spells only, with another profession.
Note: I said higher than 1 because I'm guessing you can get it to 1 from god's blessings.

Skyy High · Dec 26, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Energy Storage skills are all about energy management, because the attribute's effect itself is most definitely not energy management. Energy management is basically about augmenting your natural energy regeneration in the middle of battle; all a bigger energy pool does is let you fire off a bigger opening salvo, and eat exhaustion easier. Bigger energy pool != e-management.

-Loki- · Dec 26, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Excluding Aura of Restoration, Energy Storage is 100% energy management. And I don't see better energy management than having 100 MP with 4 pips of regeneration, excluding Soul Reaping.

A larger energy pool is not Energy management. Energy Storage skills are great energy management - in particular Ether Prodigy, however, having a larger energy pool is not energy management - Energy Storage itself as an attribute isn't energy managment.

EPO Bot · Dec 26, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

As a mostly pve player, i rate Soul Reaping very high. Not in the least because you can use it freely with just about any spellcasting secondary.
Also, it's funny during the mad king party.

Wildi · Dec 26, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

all crap except Soul Reaping :x

Kakumei · Dec 26, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

It looks like nobody at all is reading the first post.

It specifically states to IGNORE THE SKILLS ATTACHED TO THE ATTRIBUTE.

We are weighing the inherent effects against one another, and nothing more.

Gregslot · Dec 26, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

So, basically you wanted dervishes to get a lot of energy and a lot of healing with enchantments... hummm... i see... and do you consider it balanced?

You dont like Strenght? Have you ever tried to use a warrior him 16 Hammer and 13 Strenght? Its simply devastating. Maybe if you started thinking outside the box and stopped playing only with sword you would see that hammer what you are looking for; big numbers popping on the screen. And dont get me that crap that you also use hammer because if you do, you are the exception. (no wonder the prices of hammers are ridiculously low compared to sword)
Hammer is the word when you think of extreme physical damage, nothing in the game will deal more damage in melee then hammer.
Axes will work fine with strenght 8-80 of the time, since you can deal ridiulously low dmg or extremely high critials.
Since you play with sword, strenght will work avaragely well. Dont like the damage? Play with Hammer

Critials are just awsome, i hardly ever use a normal attack with my assassin.

I consider Fast Casting a bit sad, since there is no point of having 16 points on fast casting because it would give about the same cast bonus as it were 12 or 10. And hardly ever you see a good build wich requires skills from other classes with high casting times, wich the other profession couldnt easly overmatch =/
Someone suggested that it could increase the chance of reducing the cast time, thats not a bad idea, not bad at all

Spawning power could have +5% bonus, or not, maybe 4,5%, 4% is just to low, they are already easly killed and todays skills still makes spirits too fragile, like Spiritual Pain.

I would prefer that Expertise would work only on ranger skills, im tired of seeing ranger playing other professions role.

The rest i got nothing to say.

Spike · Dec 26, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

I don't mean to flame here, but do you even play GW? First it was "it's not a PvP game", now you don't see any use in Expertise? 5 energy skills being 2-3, 10 energy skills for 4, 25 energy skills costing 12-ish? Yeah, that's an attribute I'm avoiding for sure.

(Since people's sarcasm detectors tend to be faulty around here, the last line in the above paragraph was sarcastic.)

Yes do I play GW and have been since it started. But I'm not sure YOU do. and I KNOW you can't read. If you had then you would of seen my saying GW is not JUST a pvp game. If GW was JUST a pvp game why are the majority of the people in the PVE areas, and playing the PVE part of the game. Also why does GW even have PVE areas? I know thinking is hard for you pvp types but you really should try it some time.

Once again you have proved you can not or do not read peoples post before replying. I said I that me my self ALONE does not see the use for expertsie but I sure that people who use HIGH energy ranger skills DO. You did know right that you had to get rank 12 in expertise for it to lower the energy cost that much did'nt you ? Probley not. I bet you aslo did'nt know you would have to spend all most half your arrribute points in order to do so.

As I said before IF your useing HIGH energy skills then Expertise is GOOD. If your a B/P ranger like ME. IN MY OPINION its not worth the investment. If I have Expertise at rank 12. That leaves me with 103 AP left. Since I aslo need marksmanship at 12 as I'm a B/P ranger that leaves me with 6 points. Not enough to get a decent rank in Beast mastery. Let alone points in Wilderness survival for troll ugnent or in healing prayers for a self heal.

kvndoom · Dec 26, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Spawning power is kinda useless unless you are using spirits that inerently lose life (Union, Shelter, etc). When I PVP with my Rit (which isn't often anymore since everyone hates Rits in PVP, myself included) I don't put any points into Spawning at all unless they're leftovers that won't go anywhere else. If you're using offensive spirits you can get by with 0 SP and not tell the difference. People are trying to kill YOU, not your summons, most of the time.

Spawning Power should also affect the duration of summoned spirits. Then it might be useful.

Anyone who doesn't think Expertise is useful ought to consider that the attribute itself got nerfed. Bunny Thumpers, Touch Rangers (which have mostly gone away, thank goodness) come to mind...

If Lion's Might hadn't gotten pre-nerfed to hell (disable sigs for 12 seconds? Thanks imbAnet, we MIGHT want to rez our teammates sometimes...), Strength might have been more viable outside of PVE. The extra armor penetration is a joke, ask any Thumper if they really miss it. Hell, Penetrating Blow has 20% AP and how often do you see that in PVP? Someone already said, Sprint and Rush are the only reasons for using Strength in PVP anyway. Set it to 9 if you can't dump the points elsewhere, then forget it's even there.

Divine Favor is awesome, period. PVE or PVP, it kicks butt. Of course, that goes without saying.

Energy storage is only needed because the damn skills either cost too much or cause exhaustion. You play Monk primary for Divine Favor, not because of Divine Favor. DF is a bonus. ES is a workaround. People who play Ele primary do so because the skill requirements are ridiculous. Most other casting classes get by fine with 45-55 energy and 4 pips. Someone said that ES is energy management in itself, but that's not quite true. Energy management is getting energy and conserving energy, not having a boatload of energy. My ele runs at 80+ base energy, and I got decimated by a Me/N who ate me alive with e-denial because I had too much. The best ele e-management skills (non-elite) are the attunements, and they're not specced in Energy Storage.

Fast Casting has me somewhat confused anyway. The Mesmer has very few spells with ridiculously long casts (thank goodness Diversion is 3 seconds, as it is easily the most powerful spell in the entire game). And many of their interrupts are also e-management, since they give you energy and interrupt your foe at the same time, but those are already 1/4 second. I see FC more useful for spikes than anything else, since you can chain off a series of spells in a short amount of time. FC air spike, anyone? But FC does not increase or decrease the utility of spells.

Soul Reaping, well its value is much higher in PVE for obvious reasons. Blood spike teams can benefit from it in higher levels of play, since quick kills are expected. But if nobody dies...

Antheus · Dec 26, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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