Curse

Masseur · Jan 02, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

I love the idea. I don't care about FoW armor, I could buy it on my characters and I choose not to, for looks and especially for the waste of money that can be spent on something worthwhile. I like the idea of having something I can store like money to be able to have more than 1mil in inventory, and/or for trading purposes (but since nothing in the game is worth more than 100K, I rarely use ecto's for that).

And as for things working normally, so what? Just because something is working normally, doesn't mean a good idea can't be implemented to make things work better. Yes, no idea is going to work for all people. It deserves consideration regardless. IF it were to mess up anything on the ecto side, of course, that would have to be taken into consideration (economy-wise).

Anghardel · Jan 02, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.

To be honest, I'm very surprised that you couldn't move 25 ecto. These days I can't hold on to ecto for more than 5 minutes when I head out to advertise as a seller.

The ease of sale for any items in-game depends entirely on where you attempt to move them. Going on your impression I would say that Fissure of Woe armor is going out of style. Step into Temple of Ages, American district 1 for a few moments when America has favor and the impression you get is about as far from it as possible. Half of the channel is trade and local spam for selling and buying ectoplasm. Many people are still buying in bulk.

The idea of a set monetary unit - like the bars someone suggested earlier in this thread - is not a bad one. However, the power of the Ecto (eg. "power of the dollar") is far from wasted. Look over prices anywhere on the Ventari's Sell forums and what is over 100k is counted as Globs of Ectoplasm.

Globs of ecto have not undergone a huge jump or fall in prices in a long time. It took them a little over a year to drop from the 16-18k+ prices I saw when first purchasing the game to the 8-9.5k prices that you see now. For this reason alone they are not yet a poor means of exchange when purchasing items breaking the 100k limit. I'm thinking, though I'm not sure, that Anet instituted something to control this. Of course, that's my own speculation.

When Nightfall came out, White Dye was introduced. The first day I purchased Nightfall - about three weeks after the initial release, it was about 12k. Two or three days after this point, it was 7k. A week later it fell to about 6, where it has hovered since (around 5.5-6k or so, generally). During this time, Ectoplasm stayed the very same, within it's 8-9.5k (9.5k being on the rare side now) up and down limit.

Another example of the current dependability of the Ecto.

I don't take the "If it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality on everything, but it seems as though this particular institution - yes, I consider it an institution - is currently working at such efficiency that there is no reason to employ anything new.

As a small final note, I do wish that Anet would allow a player to carry more than 100k on his or her person in-game. But given that restriction, the system as it is today is still very reasonable.

Navaros · Jan 02, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you?

I disagree with this. People will always want FoW because of the high price. 15k armor is so easy to get that pretty much any player who wants it already has it.

Ectos will always be in high demand because there aren't several hundred thousand other players in FoW armor, but there definitely will be hundred of thousands of other players wearing the exact same new "15k" armor as you. Thus keeping demand for Ecto high forever among everyone who doesn't wanna look like a clone of hundred of thousands of other people.

Str0b0 · Jan 02, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Honestly anyone complaining about ecto use as currency should take a look at a game like Diablo 2 where the gold was worthless and the economy was entirely item based, mostly duped items at that too. Guild Wars is nowhere near approaching that crisis level of economic disaster.

cR4zY-n^ · Jan 02, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Ecto is real money, it should be back to ~15k. :P

thedork01 · Jan 02, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I think it's funny that every time there is a thread involving money there are 50 posts of people saying "omg, you can't get 2 million, I get that in like an hour you noob"

nightwatchman · Jan 03, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I think if anything that Ecto's should be selling for more. When I was going for my fissure armor (don't care if its ugly, its expensive so i want it), after farming about half the ectos in UW, I found it quicker to farm vermin and buy the ectos in ToA.

That just didn't seem right somehow.

Gregslot · Jan 03, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

So your saying that all the ecto people have grinded hard for should be deleted? hmmm I hope you have somewhere to hide.

Dude, wtf is your problem?
Woman kicked you out from the house?
Chill! ¬¬
Stop acting like a smartass and give us a solution.

First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.

I dont know why they are taking so long tho.

Edit: Obsidian is the coolest armor in the game for all professions, except for assassin in my opinion, it just kicks ass. The ritualist's armor is so amazing, the paragon's is just breath taking, and the elementalist's is just so... so powerful! O.o

Akhilleus · Jan 03, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Edit: Obsidian is the coolest armor in the game for all professions, except for assassin in my opinion, it just kicks ass. The ritualist's armor is so amazing, the paragon's is just breath taking, and the elementalist's is just so... so powerful! O.o

which is precicely why the price for it is high (even though its desireability as far as looks goes is subjective). but you're asking anet to manually lower the price of ecto, just because you think its too expensive, which i cannot explain to you how wrong and selfish that is.
if you think FoW is too expensive; simple solution: don't get it.
but you cannot expect people to sacrifice the economy because you're too cheap.
besides; ecto prices flucuate; they've been at 4k, 6k, 9k, 15k, etc...their prices have been low, and they've been high. if you think they're too expensive either dont get FoW, farm more money, or wait till they get cheaper. if you are unwilling to do one of the previous three suggestions then it just proves that you want this enacted for your own conveniance, and not for the point of economic well-being, in which case it could not be a more poorly founded idea.

manitoba1073 · Jan 03, 2007, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Dude, wtf is your problem?
Woman kicked you out from the house?
Chill! ¬¬
Stop acting like a smartass and give us a solution.

Um i think you need to chill some.

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.

I dont know why they are taking so long tho.

Why would they remove few of the way to actually enjoy the game afterwards. I think your aggravation with the fact that others enjoy the game differently from you is making problems for yourself. Just so you do realize that other people soloing and that does absolutely nothing to interfer with your gaming experience. Now im not gonna be like some as say that your upset just cause you cant do it or have no friends to do it, Im not like that, but i will warn you alot of people will think that of you when you put stuff in.

Phoenix Ex · Jan 03, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Pfft....3 months ago while I was posting on the thread about the weapon inscriptions, I said that once the lazy people got the inscriptions, they probably will turn their attention to FoW armor and the likes next...and got a whole bunch of flames about how FoW armor is different and etc.

Guess what? Here's the thread complaining about how FoW is too expensive...I think Akhileus pretty much summed up what I am thinking.

generik · Jan 03, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

How about this... if they just nuke FoW and UW, then have melandru and lyssa take over. Start fresh, remove ectos, shards, and FoW armor from the game. It's not a good alternative to currency anyway. New system comes in with the 2 new elite areas, except having no rare material drops or armors secluded to those areas. Amount of platinum able to be carried by characters decreased to 50k. Maximum amount able to fit in storage, 500k. Alternate currency = optional, ectos = worth nothing.

Sounds good to me.

Throw content away?

Sounds like somebody is just jealous. I have never once used ecto to pay for anything, and that is not to say I don't have any either, I have 120+ in my stash and 200 gems; certainly not in shortage of money.

What the hell is your problem?

Akhilleus · Jan 03, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Pfft....3 months ago while I was posting on the thread about the weapon inscriptions, I said that once the lazy people got the inscriptions, they probably will turn their attention to FoW armor and the likes next...and got a whole bunch of flames about how FoW armor is different and etc.

Guess what? Here's the thread complaining about how FoW is too expensive...I think Akhileus pretty much summed up what I am thinking.

i was also the number 1 anti-inscription advocate (granted, i suggested a happy medium was the solution anet arrived upon, but regardless, "if you allow one transgression you encourage the commission of many.")

Matsumi · Jan 03, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by generik

Throw content away?

Sounds like somebody is just jealous. I have never once used ecto to pay for anything, and that is not to say I don't have any either, I have 120+ in my stash and 200 gems; certainly not in shortage of money.

What the hell is your problem?

Sure, why not? Has nothing to do with jealousy really, just throwing out some random ideas. Sometimes, better solutions are formed with more ideas and suggestions floating around. Instead of "OMG this sux!" or "You're just jealous of me,

har har..."

Besides, I would really like to see 2 new areas. Like maybe a dwayna's realm, or something from melandru or whatever. Maybe instead of getting rid of ectos, introduce a new rare material like globs of... uh... torment or something. I guess the money decrease thing is super touchy though, so nevermind. I still think it would be interesting though.

sixdartbart · Jan 03, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.

You should really pick one position and stick with it.

If they put and end to solo,dual,blah blah blah there would be far fewer ectos around and the prices would rise.

If they raised the drop rates after ending solo,dual the levels of ecto wouldn't increase based on the fact that you would have 6 or 8 players sharing these increased drops in a single instance of uw where as they could have been soloing and getting all of the drops in 6 or 8 different instances of uw.

But you seem to believe that it would lower ecto prices and assuming that it would, which do you want higher or lower prices.

Now besides merely saying "they have to put an end to soloing" why don't you stop acting like a smart ass and give us a solution.

Akhilleus; I was there with you on the anti inscriptions and if a few of us hadn't pointed out the huge downsides to what was being throw out there by these self interested people Anet could have easily done what they were ranting in favor of and destroyed any type of a weapons market and at the same time removed the need for ectos which it appears would have made these same people very happy for about a week.

Mairiiv · Jan 03, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

Maybe instead of getting rid of ectos, introduce a new rare material like globs of... uh... torment or something.

Why do you think that the price of gems went up? Suddenly you get more gems but people want it more.

The price of ecto is based on supply and demand, if you fiddle in any way with the ecto that has been mentioned in this thread the supply will rise for a short period, then as less ppl starts to farm them as it's worth more to farm something else in your time the prices will creep up to the level that they are at the moment....

Leave ecto alone...for you guys that want to know I've got 15 ecto so whatever happens ain't gonna impact me much regarding my ectos but the change in the economy is probably going to ruin me

Just think you wanna sell something for 100k + xx 'globs of torment' (using your example) but another person just have diamonds to trade with you, and you wanna buy something else from another person who just want to accept ectos. Do you see where this is going?

Inari · Jan 03, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

If FOW armor was meant to be hard to get, than make it hard to get, not expansive to get.

One way I can think about it is that they make the fissure area have elite mission kinda zone. Maybe like with Mallyx. From what I understand it takes ages to complete all the quests and than actually kill the thing. Just a thought.

freekedoutfish · Jan 03, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Nice idea with using 10k platinum stacks.

Except....

...its a bad idea.

People use ectos as currency to get around the 100k cap on storing gold. Granted you can have around 10,00k if all your characters hold gold, but still.

Its a cap which we need in order to try and cut down on oober rich players hording gold and influencing prices ingame.

If we gave people 10k slabs of platinum instead, then it would void the 100k cap and incourage people to actually hord gold. Those who dont have or need ectors, would then have a way store large amounts of gold without needing ecto.

We would see a fast increase in wealth in the game. Which is not a good thing.

More wealth = more buying = higher prices.

The best solution is to put a cap on how many ectos you can store on one character and in storage.

The cap should be the amount needed for one piece of obsideon armor. People couldnt complain because you could still store the amount needed for one piece of armor per character.

People could still store quite a few ectos, regardless of whether they used them for armor or not. But they would be limited accross their entire account.

And obsideon armor isnt hard to get. Its just a case of saving up gold and materials as you would any other armor. It just takes longer and costs more.

leprekan · Jan 03, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

i was also the number 1 anti-inscription advocate (granted, i suggested a happy medium was the solution anet arrived upon, but regardless, "if you allow one transgression you encourage the commission of many.")

HEY! I was vocal enough to get banned in that thread!!!! Inscriptions are great (note sarcasm) took more than a year for FoW items to bottom out. With inscriptions the new high end area drops went to hell in days!!!!!! GG

Sad part is .. those crying about ecto prices are not adult enough to admit they are just too damn lazy to work for them like the REST OF US DID.

Blackhawk · Jan 03, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Sad part is .. those crying about ecto prices are not adult enough to admit they are just too damn lazy to work for them like the REST OF US DID.

Agreed, took me a while to get my FoW set on my Necro and that sense of achievement that those of us who worked hard for it have would be lost.

Guess some people just want things handed to them on a plate....