Curse

Wretchman Drake · Jan 11, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I still remember the old days when America and Korea were battling for Favor alot, and Europe used to be a joke. Guess that's karma right there.

Definite Integral · Jan 11, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

IMO the American HA player base is destroying itself with rank requirements, elitism, poor coordination, and a "you have to win or you're kicked" attitude.

I had a funny insight. You know how they say on WoW, you can only raid your favorite dungeon once a week? At least on WoW you actually get to raid your favorite dungeon at all!

Also, whenever someone wins favor for Europe, I shout in public chat:
<funny spoof on winner or guild's name> has lost a battle in the Hall of Zeroes and eats the flavor of the socks for Stewrope.

Guldur · Jan 11, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

If favor changed every 1 or 2 rounds, imagine how hard it would be to make a team

I believe there is a hoh round every 5 minutes. Requiring 2 wins would give you at least 10 minutes to form a team and get in, or else just wait another 10 minutes? not that hard, and it would give all areas a chance, not only europe. Even japan could get more often! cause sometimes i see some japanese or korean guild win 1-2 times, just never 5 times.

Wretchman Drake · Jan 11, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

They should at least combine all the asian regions so they have a better chance to win halls... They combine Europe and all of its cluttered countries, and I believe they combine the Americas yet Japanand Korea are alone... Taiwan is really screwed...

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

They should at least combine all the asian regions so they have a better chance to win halls... They combine Europe and all of its cluttered countries, and I believe they combine the Americas yet Japanand Korea are alone... Taiwan is really screwed...

An asian server with Taiwan, Japanese and Korean districts would be cool. China still is seperated.

The problem is nationalistic pride might get in the way....

TheRaven · Jan 11, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Hmm, what do the Aussies use? Every once in awhile I see...

"Some Random Aussie Guy's Team has won a battle in the Hall of Heroes and Keeps the Favor of the Gods for America."

That's his actual screenname. I may be off on a word or spelling, but that's pretty close. Of course, this could be an American or Canadian player with that screenname or it could be an actual Australian in Australia playing.

Is Australia on the American servers or are Australian players given a "server option" when setting up an account? Just curious.

Alleji · Jan 11, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

"OMG YOU WANT FAVOR GO GET IT YOURSELF NOOB!"

Then you should go tell that person to try and win HoH and see how well it goes. (I guarantee he can't, because people who do win have some brains and wouldn't tell you that in the first place <.<)

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-Remove the dependence of UW/FoW on favor.

Yep.

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All we need is Slash Rank [DeeR] and they'll hold halls for as long as they need to for America. They completely owned Europe one time when they helped hold halls for almost 24 hours.

Nobody held for anywhere close to 24 hours since the original spirit spam in ~june 2005. The most people held recently were the lame paragon holding builds abusing energizing finale and other broken stuff. And that's only been 5 hours at most.

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I'm wondering why it's that a handful of HA'ers and GVG'ers can complain, and a huge amount of skills get nerfed, but a giant crowd of PvE'ers bring up an issue and nothing happens.

More than "a handful" of HAers complained about 6v6 since the day it was introduced. What has anet done? That's right. F*cking nothing. If anything, they listened to PvEers who QQ'ed about being unable to get into 8v8 groups on their mending wammos and echo nukers.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I don't PvP, I don't even have R3. That means I don't even have the wherewithall to get into a decent group even capable of reaching halls. Whatever PvE PUG group you had for FoW is NOT going to be able to take halls in any faction, as A) It has 8 people instead of 6, B) No guarantee everyone will be PvP-able on that character, and C) No guarantee you'll have the right mix of players.

Think before you speak.

And hey? Why not link your ability to RA and TA to whether or not PvEers are doing well in DoA? I'm sure you'd love that, and judging by your logic it's perfectly fair.

I do "think before I speak". And practice what I preach ... rank10 here because we lost favor while a group of us were trying to get into fow. We lost favor and went to try and get it back .. yes we got owned but kept going back.

Even if you only manage to knock out one Euro team you help to advance your country. I can't believe you used having 8 instead of 6 as a reason you couldn't try .. they made it noob pug friendly hellooooooooooo. If those chars do not have enough skills to run a balanced ha build what in the hell were they going into fow with? Don't answer that you are probably one of the reasons I won't pug fow now. Build a friend list odds are they won't be rank3 either you can rank up together like most did. You want something without working for it end of story.

Here is one for you .. try before you cry.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 11, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Going into International is fun if you are in a team attempting to gank a euro team. :3

(I'm European)

But still, Europe has the rank requirement problem too (If anything it's even worse if you aren't running an IGAY type build..........SF)

Crom The Pale · Jan 11, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Favor has never worked in any balanced way, and its not suposed to.
Favor is a reward for pvp players, but a glitch for pve players.

I'm an exclusive pve player, and I fought long and hard for FoW armor that now seams imposible for others to get without Ebay and staying up till 2am.

Here are a few ideas that would make favor work for everyone.

1) Favor unlocks a pvp arena rather than the Fow/UW - 1vs1 or 5team free for all
2) Favor grants a moral bost while in Fow/UW
3) Add a quest needed to unlock access to Fow/UW-one time only available after last mission in any campain is completed.

Favor for FoW/UW makes as much sence as having GvG only possible to players that have completed the DoA quests.

ca_aok · Jan 11, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Even if you only manage to knock out one Euro team you help to advance your country. I can't believe you used having 8 instead of 6 as a reason you couldn't try .. they made it noob pug friendly hellooooooooooo. If those chars do not have enough skills to run a balanced ha build what in the hell were they going into fow with? Don't answer that you are probably one of the reasons I won't pug fow now. Build a friend list odds are they won't be rank3 either you can rank up together like most did. You want something without working for it end of story.

Here is one for you .. try before you cry.

PvE farming builds are not meant to be used in PvP. Yeah, a bonder, stance tank, and SS necro are gonna work really great against R10 teams with enchant removal, massive spikes, and searing flames. Fighting mindless monsters with exploitable AI, predictable skills and tactics, and set patrols and positions creates a much different build than fighting a versitile team of humans require.

I'm not going to PvP, which I don't enjoy, so that I can PvE. It's great that apparently you're the success story of the millenium, but nobody really cares, the point still stands that UW/FoW should not be linked to performance in HA. I don't really fancy spending an hour of my time making a group just to get hammered at HA.

As for whether or not I have a friends list, clearly you have no basis for that argument at all.

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3) Add a quest needed to unlock access to Fow/UW-one time only available after last mission in any campain is completed.

I like that idea... make FoW/UW like the DoA, you merely need to beat the game to gain access. It might actually make people work instead of being run from ascalon to sanctum, ascend, power level, and go. They'd have to do some shiverpeak missions + RoF missions, or complete factions/NF.

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Don't answer that you are probably one of the reasons I won't pug fow now.

Nobody cares about your "mightier than thou" attitude.
A) When did I ever say I PUGed FoW.
B) Given you've never seen me play, you obviously aren't in the position to make any calls like that.
C) People like you are the reason I don't HA.

leprekan · Jan 12, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

PvE farming builds are not meant to be used in PvP. Yeah, a bonder, stance tank, and SS necro are gonna work really great against R10 teams with enchant removal, massive spikes, and searing flames. Fighting mindless monsters with exploitable AI, predictable skills and tactics, and set patrols and positions creates a much different build than fighting a versitile team of humans require.

I'm not going to PvP, which I don't enjoy, so that I can PvE. It's great that apparently you're the success story of the millenium, but nobody really cares, the point still stands that UW/FoW should not be linked to performance in HA. I don't really fancy spending an hour of my time making a group just to get hammered at HA.

As for whether or not I have a friends list, clearly you have no basis for that argument at all.

I like that idea... make FoW/UW like the DoA, you merely need to beat the game to gain access. It might actually make people work instead of being run from ascalon to sanctum, ascend, power level, and go. They'd have to do some shiverpeak missions + RoF missions, or complete factions/NF.

Nobody cares about your "mightier than thou" attitude.
A) When did I ever say I PUGed FoW.
B) Given you've never seen me play, you obviously aren't in the position to make any calls like that.
C) People like you are the reason I don't HA.

If you can't change your skill bar from a bonder or ss then the issue is yours. I was talking body count IE if you had enough for a fow group you obviously have enough for an ha run. Not happy do something about it crying changes nothing.

Not a "mightier than thou attitude". Crying about a situation you could apply effort to change is pathetic.

AuraofMana · Jan 12, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

In Korea and Taiwan, it doesn't really matter, because GW is just one out of many millions of Korean MMOs out there.
In Taiwan, it's overran with bootlegs so no problem there either.
As for US, most people play WoW.
Favor has always been a debated concept and most people agree it doesn't really appeal to the game. Yet Anet has kept it. Go figure.

AuraofMana · Jan 12, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

In Korea and Taiwan, it doesn't really matter, because GW is just one out of many millions of Korean MMOs out there.
In Taiwan, it's overran with bootlegs so no problem there either.
As for US, most people play WoW.
Favor has always been a debated concept and most people agree it doesn't really appeal to the game. Yet Anet has kept it. Go figure.

aB- · Jan 12, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by leprekan

If you can't change your skill bar from a bonder or ss then the issue is yours. I was talking body count IE if you had enough for a fow group you obviously have enough for an ha run. Not happy do something about it crying changes nothing.

Not a "mightier than thou attitude". Crying about a situation you could apply effort to change is pathetic.

Do you honestly think that most people are able to have any influence on their country getting favor? Someone with only a PvE background would get steamrolled in a PvP environment because it is much different. Yes, they could potentially learn to get better, but even if they do get better the concept of favor is still skewed. Why force players to do something they dislike in order to get to something they like?

Malice Black · Jan 12, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Favor should be decided on the out come of /roll dice game..

Thargor · Jan 12, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

I hate the favor system just as much as most of the other posters here have stated. I propose that they open it to everyone all the time, BUT, if you don't have favor then no ecto or shard drops. Seems like this might work so that there is still a reward for earning favor, prices on ectos and shards would stay stable, and those of us that just love going there could whenever we want. Even keep the 1K entrance fee favor or not.
As much as we would all like to see the system changed I honestly don't believe that anything will ever be done about it. We are still waiting on the alternate entrance to the elite missions in Factions, oh wait we got those already, for one weekend.

FoxBat · Jan 12, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Favor is a form of griefing, albeit usually unintended by the halls holders. This is what they advertised that their wonderful instancing was supposed to avoid, non-consensual pvp and such.

X Lunar X · Jan 12, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

I saw a post in this thread that I wanted to comment on

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The concept is not good because there is absolutely zero possibility that anything other than a very high-ranked PUG and/or hardcore Tombs Guild on TS or Vent will ever get to and win in HoH 5 times in a row.

PVE players who want to go get Favor themselves won't ever have any chance whatsoever of doing so.

PVP players usually don't care about Favor.

Almost all of the good PVP players form parties in International districts anyhow which just further makes the Favor system useless.

This entire thing is flawed IMO.

Newbs win halls...period. The skill level for Ha is far lower than GvG and while total inexperience is obviously not going to cut it, rank actually means little to good groups and I could go on and on.

I was a PvE player who wanted to get favor myself and I went and did it.

I am primarily a PvP player now, and I certainly care about favor. I still farm, I still want good items and I enjoy PvE.

Good players form parties in ID because there is acess to a larger number of players there. Favor still goes to the most common region in that group and it works both ways.

I find favor to be a really neat system that IMO works...

To be honest, there are enough other areas in PvE to not really be bothered by 2 areas being closed part of the day. There are other things to farm beyond ectos and shards.