Curse

ca_aok · Jan 10, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

@ The whole "OMG AMERICA HAD FAVOR 24/7 6 MONTHS AGO LOOK WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!" argument.... Yeah, I was around back then as previously stated. Yes it was nice. And yes, Europe got screwed, and that isn't right either.

@ The whole "OMG UW/FoW WILL BE OVERFARMED!" argument... they already can and are being overfarmed, by EUROPE. Allowing America access won't do anything that isn't already being done. As for the cost of ectos going down, it's not really a big deal, all it means is that you might be able to get FoW for ~700K instead of 1.3mil, which is still out of reach for a lot of players. There seems to be very little "middle" ground in the GW "class system". There are the incompetant players that can't afford 1.5K armor and whine and moan about the expense and difficulty of the game. There are the people who hover ~300K and can't really get much better do to lack of time/the farm nerf/lack of favor. And then there are the people who have maxed out bank accounts and multiple stacks of ectos and shards, because once you hit a certain breakpoint (probably ~600K or so) you can just powertrade ectos and actually make profit in the 10-100K range, and then go from there. The problem with powertrading is you need money to do so, since making a few thousand gold buying and selling ~50 ectos does nothing. But I digress.

Yes, I enjoy the money, or more specifically the ectos/shards, since I'm saving for my first set of FoW myself, and now that 20K/hour farms seem to be hard/no longer in existance, it's up to me to farm the shards/ectos myself, which I can't do when I have favor at 3AM on a weekday.

For those of you who made mass money farming CCs last year, buying ectos from the trader for 100g/each back when they were cheap and then selling them at 50K/pop later, congrats, you saw ahead and made a profit off economics. I'm just looking for a chance to get FoW armor here without having to switch to European servers and have to abandon the rest of PvE due to lack of activity in my timezone.

fog_of_redoubt · Jan 11, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

I really think the change that needs to be made is that Halls should only be open after certain amounts of Ecto have been farmed... Or a ceratin number of groups have entered FOW/UW...

Lets turn it around, Let the PvP'ers have to wait till 3am before they can PVP... If all of you that want a link between PvP and PvE, fine lets have a link. But that link can now be PvP being dependent on PvE'ers accomplising something.

rohara · Jan 11, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

i don't care for pvp much, cept for the occasional ab. (and i've played RTS games competitively on the clanwars ladders, so its not like i'm against pvp altogether.) i have no interest in HoH, none at all. i hate the favor system. i'm an american in an american guild and we like to play FoW just for fun.

in a nutshell:

- pve and pvp are two completely different types of play, and anet has acknowledged this by releasing pvp editions of the game AND by making nightfall's elite area available to everyone. now its time they acknowledge it by adjusting the favor system as well. just an adjustment, not removal. something like free entry to uw/fow if you have favor, pay if you don't. w/e, something that allows entry no matter who has favor, but at the same time keeps favor "favorable"

- as for urgoz/the deep...something needs to be done there as well, because cantha is a ghost town. this was a bad setup to begin with. a pay-for-entry NPC needs to be put in HzH and cavalon and be done with it. let the owners of HzH/cavalon enter for free (and still do their ferry thing, ofc), and let members of each faction gain entrance to their respective elite mission at a discounted price whereas the other faction needs to pay full price to get in, and vice versa. or, in addition to gold, add an option to pay for entrance in faction. hell, maybe even add elite mission entry tickets to the luxon/kurzick quartermasters and faction rewards NPCs.

manitoba1073 · Jan 11, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

I really think the change that needs to be made is that Halls should only be open after certain amounts of Ecto have been farmed... Or a ceratin number of groups have entered FOW/UW...

Lets turn it around, Let the PvP'ers have to wait till 3am before they can PVP... If all of you that want a link between PvP and PvE, fine lets have a link. But that link can now be PvP being dependent on PvE'ers accomplising something.

This i have to aggree with. Lets finally make PvP reliant on PvE.

LagunaCid · Jan 11, 2007, 08:17 AM // 08:17

How about the so called "PvE"ers actually experience the whole GW experience? GW is not supposed to be a PvE-only game, nor a PvP-only. It is supposed to a healthy fusion between both.
Instead of whining how favour is not at your server, go get it.

EDIT: Removing favour would hurt HoH even more than it is hurt.

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 11, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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EDIT: Removing favour would hurt HoH even more than it is hurt.

How? Halls winners don't care at all about favor.

arcanemacabre · Jan 11, 2007, 09:42 AM // 09:42

How about this:

Have favor give double faction and double fame for all those in that region instead of access to UW/FoW. This way it actually rewards PvPers for their own efforts, and should cause more people to want to hit HA.

As far as access to UW/FoW, how about just limiting how many times a day anyone can enter? Something like 1-3 times a day.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

*Puts on flame retardent underware .. but it needs to be said*

This topic has been beat to death in so many threads .. why did it even get to stay open?

How about spending less time crying on a website and more time in Ha trying to win favor? If you had a full party to go in FoW and we lost favor .. drag their butts to Ha and do something about it. Favor is linked and after 20 months it is safe to assume it will stay that way. Changing at this point would be showing favortism to the US .. debate it all you want but it would. Europe is WORKING for it .. are you too lazy to do the same? If you are then you don't deserve it to begin with. It speaks very poorly of the US when everyone wants the system changed when we are losing.

rohara · Jan 11, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by LagunaCid

How about the so called "PvE"ers actually experience the whole GW experience? GW is not supposed to be a PvE-only game, nor a PvP-only. It is supposed to a healthy fusion between both.
Instead of whining how favour is not at your server, go get it.

EDIT: Removing favour would hurt HoH even more than it is hurt.

you can't force people to change their gaming preference -_- that's the whole point. lots of people have no interest in pvp, whether the game was designed for it or not. that's also why a lot of pve'ers dislike factions. how would you like it if you had to do 4 pve missions each and every time you wanted to gain entry to a single pvp match (and pay 1k for it!)? not much, i think. but somehow pve'ers are a bunch of whiners and cry babies for NOT wanting that...

and its not about just the US...its an improvement that would benefit everybody. asia in particular, as they're the true underdogs.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by rohara

you can't force people to change their gaming preference -_- that's the whole point. lots of people have no interest in pvp, whether the game was designed for it or not. that's also why a lot of pve'ers dislike factions. how would you like it if you had to do 4 pve missions each and every time you wanted to gain entry to a single pvp match (and pay 1k for it!)? not much, i think. but somehow pve'ers are a bunch of whiners and cry babies for NOT wanting that...

and its not about just the US...its an improvement that would benefit everybody. asia in particular, as they're the true underdogs.

It is about what YOU want. Where was your post for the plight of Asia and Europe when WE ruled hoh? Try and twist it all you want but it is what it is ... too lazy to do what is needed to get what you want.

There are enough elite type areas for you to play for fun that do not require favor. You want favor then help get it or please don't cry that we don't have it.

Cérilia · Jan 11, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

Easiest solution, and by far, is to remove completely the link between favor and access. It can be done simply by introducing 2 NPC characters in ToA (and other portal places in Factions and NF) that would offer the exact same dialog we already have.

Anyway I don't believe it will happen. Gaile already stated why they think it's a good system and why they want to keep it that way. So...

EDIT: By the way I play on European servers.

Gli · Jan 11, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Europe is WORKING for it .. are you too lazy to do the same?

Europe isn't working for it.

One subset of European players who enjoy playing HA are winning matches, and a different subset of us Europeans (and plenty of expatriate American PvE-ers) are playing FoW and UW.

ca_aok · Jan 11, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by leprekan

*Puts on flame retardent underware .. but it needs to be said*

This topic has been beat to death in so many threads .. why did it even get to stay open?

How about spending less time crying on a website and more time in Ha trying to win favor? If you had a full party to go in FoW and we lost favor .. drag their butts to Ha and do something about it. Favor is linked and after 20 months it is safe to assume it will stay that way. Changing at this point would be showing favortism to the US .. debate it all you want but it would. Europe is WORKING for it .. are you too lazy to do the same? If you are then you don't deserve it to begin with. It speaks very poorly of the US when everyone wants the system changed when we are losing.

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And don't pull the "OMG YOU WANT FAVOR GO GET IT YOURSELF NOOB!" card... I don't PvP, and I don't see why I should have to for the purpose of reaching a PvE area.

I don't PvP, I don't even have R3. That means I don't even have the wherewithall to get into a decent group even capable of reaching halls. Whatever PvE PUG group you had for FoW is NOT going to be able to take halls in any faction, as A) It has 8 people instead of 6, B) No guarantee everyone will be PvP-able on that character, and C) No guarantee you'll have the right mix of players.

Think before you speak.

And hey? Why not link your ability to RA and TA to whether or not PvEers are doing well in DoA? I'm sure you'd love that, and judging by your logic it's perfectly fair.

greyf0x_f0x · Jan 11, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Personally, I've always thought that the favor system would work better, if it simply removed the cost of going to FoW/UW.

I.e. you can get in at any time, at the cost of 1k, but if your region has favor, you get in free.

Malice Black · Jan 11, 2007, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by greyf0x_f0x

Personally, I've always thought that the favor system would work better, if it simply removed the cost of going to FoW/UW.

I.e. you can get in at any time, at the cost of 1k, but if your region has favor, you get in free.

24 hour access to FoW/UW just means the amount of gold farmers would triple on all servers. Anet are eager to reduce bots/gold farmers so this idea will never be used.

I know my idea was the same but I noticed this flaw.

Guldur · Jan 11, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

There is a simple solution that would please both sides

Why not make the continet get favor after 1-2 consecutive wins? This way we would have more changes, even japanase and korean people getting it more often.

I believe the may reason europe holds most of the time right now, is because it needs 5 consecutive wins, and thats a lot. Reducing it would give more chances for everybody, without the need to take this nice content off

Clone · Jan 11, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

People have been saying remove the favor requirements for a long time. I know I've said it. I've even seen some crazy ideas to change the system so PvE players get to screw with PvP, like whenever Shiro, Litch, or Abbadon is killed, a random PvPer from another server dies instantly.

The system as it is sucks. Although, I don't think I have any faith in Anet that they want to change it. Sad really, as they're preventing people from playing some of the best designed areas in their own game.

Sarevok Thordin · Jan 11, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by leprekan

It is about what YOU want. Where was your post for the plight of Asia and Europe when WE ruled hoh? Try and twist it all you want but it is what it is ... too lazy to do what is needed to get what you want.

There are enough elite type areas for you to play for fun that do not require favor. You want favor then help get it or please don't cry that we don't have it.

Agreed, goto HA and try getting into teams. Strength in numbers :P

Nobody's gonna chop your HEAD OFF for PvPing........

(That is...........if you can get by the rank demanding idiots in HA........)

Wretchman Drake · Jan 11, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

All we need is Slash Rank [DeeR] and they'll hold halls for as long as they need to for America. They completely owned Europe one time when they helped hold halls for almost 24 hours.

Taurucis · Jan 11, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

You CAN'T get by the rank demanding idiots in HA. Tried it. Didn't work.

If favor changed every 1 or 2 rounds, imagine how hard it would be to make a team

I'm wondering why it's that a handful of HA'ers and GVG'ers can complain, and a huge amount of skills get nerfed, but a giant crowd of PvE'ers bring up an issue and nothing happens.

My experience with people who do high-end PvP is that they're snobby. If you aren't one of their worshippers, you're dirt to them. I sometimes hang around Hero's Ascent american districts and I usually see flame wars. I also think that there are more PvP'ers in Europe, and Americans like to join International District teams, so they wind up in European teams. There might be a ton of Americans doing HA and winning, but they're winning favor for Europe.

IMHO just toss favor in the bin >_>