Curse

*lemming* · Jan 05, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Most of the posters in this thread need to learn how to read and do basic math.

coldplay · Jan 05, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

90% of eles got boobs, they are good to look at but you cant rely on boobs to win missions. That's why some gay men and straight girls pick on eles, end of the story.

Queenie · Jan 05, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by FelixCarter

I play a Monk and she gets a lot of guff from groups... Things like, "omg ur a 55munk arnt u n00b?" and "the only thing munks r goot 4 is meatshield lol."

Assassins have it worse than any class in the game, however. When I play on my Monk, I usually try and find at least one SinX to help out in a mission, because no one else will.

Anyways, yes. This is in the incorrect section. This needs to be moved or something.

I agree with Felix on the Assassins :/ no one wants them. And it seems like the
Dervish's are getting the same treatment, no one wants them either! ;-;

Ninna · Jan 05, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

another ele insisted I take Water Trident to interrupt spells...It knocks over a moving foe....if they're moving they aint castin spells.

gotta wonder

FelixCarter · Jan 05, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Queen Christie

Dervish's are getting the same treatment, no one wants them either! ;-;

Sadly, this seems to be true. u_u

It's odd, since SinXs do so much damage to a single target. When in PvP, my Monk can usually last a good 10 seconds against a SinX. In PvE, I've seen a SinX take down a lone lvl24 in a matter of seconds like it was something to do.

Dervish have their own strengths as well. But what people fail to see is that these classes can only pwn if their team does their duty. A SinX cannot tank against 3 lvl20s... Just because Dervish have Mysticism does not mean the Monk doesn't have to heal them.

>.>

Okay. I'm done ranting.

Bubba · Jan 05, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

You know why Ele's are wrong? It's the male ele's dance....really, that dance is just wrong!

My main character is an ele and I like playing him in the game. I don't have any trouble getting into groups either, even before SF.

Yanman.be · Jan 05, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Why does everybody pick on Assassins? Same question.

Terra Xin · Jan 05, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Elementalists suck?? Please. As long as people will associate the word 'nuking' with that class, the elementalist will always be taken into parties. Stop complaining.

You have to give this class some credit. It's faced more nerfs than any other class, and they're still popularly played.

Yanman.be · Jan 05, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by lightblade

Elementists are NOT craps...It's player behind them that's crap!

Elementist have 5 trees, but most players only use 2..

Because using all 5 of them at the same thing would be bogus.

Also, ele's don't suck. Tell my ele who solo's uw, fow, titans and any other place that's farmable.

Ninna · Jan 05, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

the only time I had problems getting groups was as an Assassin or Mesmer

which thanks to Heroes, is no longer a problem anymore

bungusmaximus · Jan 05, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Velvet Wing

The paper they have on as armor is not really usefull, but a 80 armor ele would just be way to overpowered

Try Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth if you take a beating (phys & ele damage reduced by 37 % with inspiration on 8), overpowered it is

. Even gives you back free energy.

Milennin · Jan 05, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

I've never had people picking on me because I was Elementalist.=D And I'm not even Fire (the most overused and overrated Element ever).XP

Cebe · Jan 05, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Queen Christie

I agree with Felix on the Assassins :/ no one wants them. And it seems like the
Dervish's are getting the same treatment, no one wants them either! ;-;

I think it's the "ZOMG THAT SOUNDS SWEEEET" feeling that seems to strike people when they think of Assassins and Dervishes. It sounds a bit wierd but I admit the word "Assassin" sounds cool...but I don't play one because I know hey have such a hard time. Same with Dervish...when the two new professions were announced everything was "WOW - DERVISH SOUNDS COOL!...oh yea..and paragons too". It's just something about it. When my friend first bought Factions he fell into the trap of thinking Assassins sounded cool only to find out they really weren't.

I confess I was one of those people who thought that Dervishes would be the "Nightfall Assassin"...Since I had been in a few groups with them I actually think they're ok...so I started one. Yes, sometimes it's hard getting into a group in Elona (although Tyria and Cantha are much easier)...so I just go with hench. The Grand Court of Sebelkah, I feel, is a pretty notorious mission but I managed it with hench first time. So I offer my services once or twice in a town....after that I load up with hench and go. There are still lots of Dervishes around but seem to be slightly less than when the game first came out...which is the reason I never created a Paragon or Dervish straight away.

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

About the overpowered part, its just the overall feeling right now, yes i also hate SF but im not saying nerf it to the litterbox, but i didnt get the impresion you were mad at me, just using my post to explain your opinions.

No, I wasn't getting at you...but you do see a lot of people complaining eles are overpowered...but in my view it's not a bad thing even if they are.

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Why does everybody pick on Assassins? Same question.

...and Mesmers...and Wammos... Ok...so not everyone picks on wammos...only me

I got really cross yesterday - I was playing as necro in a group for Abbadon's Mouth. We were 6/8 with no monk. The leader accepts a second Wammo and a Monk...the Wammo says "Kick a necro"...so I got kicked. I REALLY hate wammos.

Amity and Truth · Jan 05, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Well, the community does seem to want them as a secondary gas station though. Before Nightfall they were just that and with the release of Nightfall that changed a bit. People don't like that (just look at all those "NERF THem ALLREAdY!" threads). They like the elementalist as an easy to pick, almost no danger at all, target (aka Blind Bitch).
Elementalists are insanely easy to shut down and unlike warriors their primary offers little to make up for the insane amount of weakness they were loaded with.

In PVE they suck even more. Casting 3 full seconds, losing 25 Energy, gaining Exhaustion and all to deal 19 AOE Damage and knock the foes down. Like... seriously. The problem here is armor. In a scenario where an elementalist COULD shine, he is severly gimped by the high armor and ridiculously high hitpoints of the AI.
If I have the choice of a fast casting mesmer that deals armor ignoring damage, can inflict a deep wound and gimps the enemy or a slow casting armor reliant elementalist. Well, all hail the mesmer.

bungusmaximus · Jan 05, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

I wouldn't say they suck, they can do more then just spam heal party and blind, they do weakness and KD as well, and all 4 in the same build as well if they have to. Theyre easy to shut down, yes, but new nightfall skills made them quite a bit more durable. Stuff like Searing Flames and Mystic Regeneration makes them quite a bit more dangerous. Strange enough I see hordes of people crying for a nerf of these particular skills. Do people want eles to be removed from the game or do they want them to be powerful? make up your mind because I completely lost it :P

As for nuking, nuking still doesn't suck, try to let zhed cast deep freeze while you cast MS at the same time, my idea of fun exactly. To it off with searing flames and you have a perfectly dead mob...

lishi · Jan 05, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Becouse people want see big number and when they nuke with a fireball a jade bow ,with 100 armor against element, doing only 50 damage they say OMG ELE SUCK! even if to the mursaat monk nearby they did 100+ damage.

that is the true.

nuking dont suck in pve even before nightfall.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jan 05, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

No, I wasn't getting at you...but you do see a lot of people complaining eles are overpowered...but in my view it's not a bad thing even if they are.

The thing is most people who rant Eles are over powered, forget that they have the lowest armour (joint with some other casters). Theres a Reason for this. There meant to Hit Hard while ebing Squishy so they are not overpowered. If u dropped there damage any further u would make them seriously underpowered since there AL Value doesnt suit there damage output.

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

...and Mesmers...and Wammos... Ok...so not everyone picks on wammos...only me

I got really cross yesterday - I was playing as necro in a group for Abbadon's Mouth. We were 6/8 with no monk. The leader accepts a second Wammo and a Monk...the Wammo says "Kick a necro"...so I got kicked. I REALLY hate wammos.

Your not the only one. Don’t get me Wrong theres nothing wrong with the Warrior Class, but theres a lot wrong with some of the players of them. Ive seen Wammos do some really stupid things. Eg. You attempt a mission, the teams doing really well, theres 2 wammos in the team,2 Monks etc. things go Pair Shaped due to an accidendal over luring. Only 3 team members are left. A Warrior(who had avoided much of the fight because they ran off ahead and then ran away) and a player who has a res signet.. The Warrior They Says despite being /Mo he has no form of res on him not even a Signet. The Player with a Signet cant reach the monks to res them (due to enemys) so they res the Wammo thinking he will have Res. Only to discover this wammo doesn’t have Res either. When Asked if he has a Res, The team is told “Res is for the stupid Monks, n00bs!”, “STFU” and then Rage Quits. And that’s just 1 of the many examples.

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Originally Posted by lightblade

Elementists are NOT craps...It's player behind them that's crap!

Elementist have 5 trees, but most players only use 2..

Well shouldn’t that be 4 Trees, Energy Storage skils only affect energy, a build with just energy Storage skills would have no offensive power what so all.

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

Well, the community does seem to want them as a secondary gas station though. Before Nightfall they were just that and with the release of Nightfall that changed a bit. People don't like that (just look at all those "NERF THem ALLREAdY!" threads). They like the elementalist as an easy to pick, almost no danger at all, target (aka Blind Bitch).
Elementalists are insanely easy to shut down and unlike warriors their primary offers little to make up for the insane amount of weakness they were loaded with.

I agree a lot of people think of the Eles as Easy targets due to there low AL and bad self healing. But they shouldn’t be an easy target, they should be balanced. And so should be able to pump out good damage. And Yes like all types there easy to shutdown with the right counter build so giving them the good damage output they deserve wont make them overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

In PVE they suck even more. Casting 3 full seconds, losing 25 Energy, gaining Exhaustion and all to deal 19 AOE Damage and knock the foes down. Like... seriously. The problem here is armor. In a scenario where an elementalist COULD shine, he is severly gimped by the high armor and ridiculously high hitpoints of the AI.

The Dessert is a Prime example of This the AL is insanly high and Elemental AL is even higher. Meteor Shower with Stats 18 should do atleast 100+ damage a hit. (which Is resonable considering the enemys there have massive hit points) and Yet each hit will only do like 20 damage. That’s a 1/5 of what it should be. Ok you could change Element thinking another Element would be more effective. Nope, From a little bit of Testing I Worked out they are Highly AL to all Elements, Fire is the one that is reduced the most about a 1/5, Then Earth and Water 1/4, and the Air (which is only slightly better than the others due to its Penetration factor) And yet even Air does less than a 1/3 of the damage it should do. So unless u use the few AL ignoring Earth Skills ur totally useless there as an Ele.

However aside from That Eles are amazing, A Good one can even get around the above issue with a good build. I would take an Ele over a Wammo anyday

Antheus · Jan 05, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Why does everybody pick on Assassins? Same question.

Because they don't fit into holy trinity build.

You have tanks which hold agro, nukers that nuke, and monks that heal. A brave group will put a ranger in there.

Now... Assassin needs to go into the backlines, potentially spilling agro, possibly getting a lot of heat requiring healing, causing the monks to need to move forward, causing even more agro spill, causing the backline to get wiped, having tanks crying about being unable to control agro, and requesting "Agro Magnet" skills, forums exploding all over the place, people calling each other noob, ....

Same thing with mesmers. Spiritual pain helped give mesmers an AoE nuke. And, well, here we are. Mesmer nuker. SP is great skill, but mistrust is just as good if not better under many circumstances.

In order for a class to be "useful", they need to be able to either perform unconditional tanking (no matter how long it takes, with windows of no support from team), deal unconditional damage (eles, barrage, ss or MM), and heal unconditionally (duh. monks).

Assassins, mesmers paragons and ritualists don't fit into that. They are powerful, but almost all of their skills are conditional or timed. As such, they cannot, by design, fit into the unconditional builds. So players who do use those classes prefer to go on their own, and be, for most part, much more efficient, even with henchway.

It's the same thing as conditional weapons. Farming builds use them a lot, yet they aren't popular in pvp.

And nobody wants dervishes because there's still too many of them. Supply, demand, and all of that. And also, because spamming "AoE dervish LFG" will not get you many sympathies. It's about the same as "Ele damage dealer LFG".

Milennin · Jan 05, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

If I have the choice of a fast casting mesmer that deals armor ignoring damage, can inflict a deep wound and gimps the enemy or a slow casting armor reliant elementalist. Well, all hail the mesmer.

Since when do Elementalists have slow casting? It just depends on what spells you use. Try Air or Earth if you think Fire is too slow...I guess most people are too scared to use anything different than Fire because they think they won't be accepted in a team.

Big_Iron · Jan 05, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Silly thread. IMHO Eles are one of the most sought after proffessions for PuGs in PvE. They are:

1. Monks
2. Tanks
3. Eles
4. MM

DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion only, based on my experience playing the game. There is nothing scientific to it what-so-ever.