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Erik Fox · Jan 15, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Yes, there are a lot of girls/women playing GW, but a lot of us play male characters to avoid all the adolescent boys making rude comments.

Hate to burst you bubble, but the idiots are everywhere. The only place that is idiot free is the guild hall.

And how is someone supposed to get experienced if no one will take them in their group? Rank doesn't always mean good player. I've seen high ranked people who were morons in pvp.

Finally, someone with some solid advice and not just put downs. WTG Omni.

Well, what do you know......here's one of the idiots.

Some of us say our TS or Vent doesn't work also, because we don't like Random Player #40567 from Alaska talking to us about stuff that belongs on the commercials in early morning TV.

But anyway, as someone who would like to get into HA/PvP more than I am now, this is a daunting challenge. I'm still mainly a PvE'r but when I want to get into something I want to learn to be good at what is done. It's hard with the random PUGs and such, but I'm grinding too. Guess one day I'll get it, like Omni said.

Commander Ryker · Jan 15, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Who said I was being sarcastic? I was just pointing him out for the idiot that he is.

Yes Raven, it is 1.5k Luxon. I got it because it looked like a Star Trek uniform.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 15, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Grotto doesn't have idiots. It has peoples who is mentally challenged in there.

Yichi · Jan 15, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42

If you're actually serious about getting into HA, here's some advice.

First, read this post: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10105129
I thought it was rather well written.

Second. People will be ranked higher than you. They wont let you in their group. You have three options:
1. Beat them at their own game. Start your own groups, take charge.
2. Sneak into groups. It's actually really easy and I did this alot when I was R1 and R2.
3. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind it. Stick it out 1-2 fame at a time with your friends (don't have any? go make some!). If you have fun doing it, great! if not, why do it?

It takes a while to rank up. But once you get to that higher level, you'll realize why people want ranked players. Does that give them the right to be a jerk about it? No, not really. But if you know how to play the game, learn to listen when someone gives you advice or tells you how to play a roll, you can develop into a great PvPer.

My name's Terashi. I was once a R0 Pug. I lead Rejects and Refugee's [RnR] (rank 70 on ladder). I am Rank 8 (3315 fame). I remember being in your shoes exactly. Trust me, all will be well.

This is probably the best advice given in this thread. RnR is a great group of people having gvg'd both against them and with some of thier members, ill will say that comming from a PVP standpoint, follow this.

I was once only into the pve side of Gw, in fact thats what i bought the game for. But i was inbetween guilds and was in a vent just talkign to a few guys that did pvp. they asked if i could monk. i said in pve im a great monk. They gave me a few pointers on what to do and a skill bar to run, and the rest is history. thats where i met some of the early and still top pvp players in this game. Some of which i still PVP with on a daily basis. Getting ranked does take time and yes does take skill, which is where a lot of the rank discrimination comes from. People want to win. they will have a better chance of winning with a r8 pug than a rankless pug just out of the simple fact that the ranked players have spent more time in the maps and with different skillbars than the non ranked players, doesnt mean that they are any better players, just that they have more expierence than they do. Common mistakes unranked/new players make in PVP is skills. in PVE anything can work, no matter how dumb it is. In PVP 75% of the skills used, are used because they work and have been tried and tested in builds that work. New players dont or i should say often dont realize the skill choices they make. This picture proves that. This picture was taken from a GVG match in observer mode tonight.

Now in Picture 1, a Warrior should NEVER have orison of healing, yet you commonly find this in unranked/low ranked players.
In Picture 2, while it may be good on a flagrunner for a self heal, a main party monk should NEVER have healing breeze. EVER!!!
In Picture 3, ... it explains itself....
In Picture 4, well umm.... NO!!!

Yet these are all common mistakes made by new/some unranked players. One of the main problems that ranked players run into when giving an unranked player a shot or inviting them in, is that they commonly run into these kind of things. Ask anyone that has done a serious to fair amount of PVP that is ranked and they will tell you the same. Builds are posted everywhere. Here, guildwiki, team-iq, etc... that give wonderful build ideas and skill descriptions to help newer players understand their build they will be running. also key things like when to preprot, when to kite, when to recognize a incomming spike, when a target is overextended, when to call a spike instead of just pressuring, when to split if in gvg, the ability to recognize a builds weakness, ward placement, character placement to avoid line of sight attacks/spells... these are all things that expierenced players know and have learned from playing as much as they have. Yes even IWAY teams learn from playing. all teams do. Your best idea is to honestly when youre not in HA or GVG, watch observer and learn why people did things that they did, with the idea in mind of those things i mentioned. there are plenty more i didnt mention.

Honestly most of the PVP players will take time out to answer questions abotu getting into PVP, or if u have a question abotu a build, or a skill, or what armor u should be using in pvp, etc.... Its the people that ask u to join because they have fow armor, or they play nothing but RA with a Healing Hands Wammo and feel they deserve a spot in a top GVG or HA guild that piss off the PVP players.

Makkert · Jan 16, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Everyone knows the "If you aren't r6+ you're a noob" Hero's Ascent players. What I am wondering is, what starts it? I understand that they want to win, but why do they have to be so snobbish about it? Why do they stuff their deers/wolves/tigers in your face and laugh at you? Do they know that every player is a real person, and has real feelings as well?

for the Xth million time:
RANK != SKILL.
period.

And yes, they realise you are a real person. They also realise they are on the internet, and chances of having to face you IRL; having to repeat the words with the threat of being smacked in the face are very slim.
Just let it be, and envision a 11 year old full of pimples sitting behind the pc that is in fear of being caught by his mom for playing too long against the houserules, and you can see how ridiculous it is to take them serious.

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There's this person I see quite often in Marhan's. He once joined a FoW team I was in, and aggro'd every monster on the map and drew them back to the party. During our short time there, he would constantly beat up on our warriors and harass one of our elementalists. And if anyone tried to argue, he would display his tiger emote and tell them to shut up.

If you don't like him, and know his name, don't party with him. case closed.
god, i'm so brilliant in these things.

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Later I went to Marhan's and asked if that person was there. He was. After a short while talking.. I mean arguing.. with him, I eventually concluded that he was the kind of player who would drive you insane just for fun, and then pull rank on you. Why do people act like jerks for no reason?

See answer about 11 year olds.

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I also noticed that anyone who discusses feelings is branded "emo" or "whiny crybaby" or "pathetic." What is wrong with emotions? If you are incredibly stressed and angry, is there anything wrong about kindly explaining the reason for a hot-tempered outburst?

save your feelings for your friends in-game. nobody in All Chat really wants to hear what kind of disasters hit you since they don't know you...

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Finally, I notice a lot of "girly girls" in Guild Wars. They're surrounded by friends, and the only things they know how to say seem to be "but i'm hawt!" "

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" "T_T" and they're incredibly annoying.

see 11 year old boys, again.

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It could be that they're role-playing, but then again, I don't know of anyone who role-plays in Guild Wars.

I've seen a few, but not many.

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They are almost always female elementalists in the skimpiest armor known to Guild Wars. Amazingly, most of them have a rank emote. How do people like these get any friends? If the GW community is bent on only befriending the best, how did these annoying people get their rank emotes?

getting a rank emote isn't the thoughest job in GW...
its just grinding it out, much like FoW armor. but easier.
As for how they did it? who cares....
like rank matters that much...

Cass · Jan 16, 2007, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Do we need another thread about rank and emotes? Really?

Is search broken again? There is a huge and very illuminating literature on this topic, with contributions from the finest PvE players to Phoenix mavens. Enlighten yourself...

Taurucis · Jan 16, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

I'm not complaining about rank and emotes. I'm asking why there are so many buttcakes in Guild Wars. If I was asking for help on getting rank 6, I'd have searched for the threads that tell you how.

Not every PvE player is stupid.

Grasping Darkness · Jan 16, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

A lot of people that play have huge insecutities and feel that what they do in the game compensates for that. They also make the mistake in believing people care what they think.

Edit: The people that only want experienced players and are "buttcakes" about it are to laugh at because they're wanna be elitests and are way behind doing what other people have been there and done before. I say that with the exception of new things that havent come out yet. People that act the ways you've described are immature.
I think immaturity would be the root of these behaviors.

Gregslot · Jan 16, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Ilya Khan

It's the internet!
Stop complaining, you pathetic emo!
/rank
/dance
/taunt

This is the type of behaviour these people usually have.

The problem with these people is that they are losers. And now they have something to show to the world, they want to shove it into everyone's face, in a pathetic attempt to show that they are not losers, but they actually are.

Rank nowadays mean nothing, you could have farmed rank at the spiritway, iway, sfway...
There are only a few people that actually are rank9-12 and actually deserve it. If they really deserve it, they dont show it to everyone, thats not a winner's attitude.
Beeing a winner is like beeing a lady, if you have to tell someone, then you are not

Navaros · Jan 16, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Why does it happen?

Because good players do not like bad players leeching off their skill and experience. Which is perfectly reasonable.

A better question than the one asked in the original post would be: why do unranked or low ranked players always obsess about joining and leeching off of high ranked players?

"Rank discrimination" really only means that bad players are making illegitimate complaints about not being accepted as leechers into good parties.

If that were not the case then all the unranked/low ranked masses could make their own parties together and be happy with that.

Taurucis · Jan 16, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I woke up at a horrible hour around dawn this morning, and after half an hour of my brother ranting about his character mysteriously vanishing, I've lost my patience.

I am not trying to get a HA group. In fact, I don't care if I never do HA again. So why is everyone telling me to stop whining and find a HA guild

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Originally Posted by Navaros

A better question than the one asked in the original post would be: why do unranked or low ranked players always obsess about joining and leeching off of high ranked players?

Guess what? Un/lowranked players want to play Hero's Ascent as well.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

"Rank discrimination" really only means that bad players are making illegitimate complaints about not being accepted as leechers into good parties.

There are some excellent players I have met who haven't even touched Team Arenas or Hero's Ascent.

Blackest Rose · Jan 16, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I'm a hardcore PVE player (if there is such a thing!

)who was toying around with the idea of doing a little pvp but hasn't so far.
After reading this thread so far here's what I conclude.

1. I'm rank 0 - since I don't play PVP yet, it looks like I won't either if new players have such a hard time learning. This thread has taught me that.

2. There is an leet attitude attached to PVP but not so much to PVE - I mean I don't go around saying that I've finished all 3 chapters multiple times and unless you can solo THK with just your hero'es I don't want to know you. Oh Anet let me spam my protector titles

3. PVE is more laid back that PVP - you get a guild/PUG and go for a quest or mission - you win you all go "gg" - you lose - many will try again immediately with good groups just realizing that they brought the wrong skillset or screwed up otherwise - no problem just fix that. In general it's co-op play rather than competitive - I like that, it's fun for everyone.

4. It's a real pity that I won't really use my UAS in PVP....

5. People hide behind anonymous characters - a fact of life behind all MMO's. Mature people realize that they're talking to another person - others are so immature that they don't care. Basic human courtesy goes out the window. Unfortunately without proper GM's this won't get solved. The downside of not having a pay to play game.

6. Rank does have it's place - I completely understand that good PVP players want to play with good PVP players. Everyone wants to win after all. Rank is the only way to determine if you've won a lot in PVP previously.
Any party is entitled to ask for high ranked players - it's how they turn down lower ranked players that counts - either with "sry - need rank 6+" or "STFU Noob! ha ha" - big difference to the end person. The equivalent of this is someone who's not level 20 joining your party in PVE and being kicked.

7. I like the idea of ranked districts as suggested by someone previously. We have a ladder so why don't Anet do something to encourage NEW pvp players.
There's lots of life left in this game but PVP is hard to break into. Unfortunately I think it would turn into Ascalon arena with level 5's having droks armor and great weapons. Maybe Anet can fix it so it would work...fingers crossed.

8. Anyone who has a high ranked toon and gives out to noobs should just give it a try with a new toon again - see what it's like to be on the recieving end of put-down remarks. I don't think it would be fun.

9. PVE and PVP are completely different aspects of the same game, which share the common mechanic of skills. Just because you're good at one doesn't mean you're good at the other - everything takes work.

10. And lastly - especially for the OP - it's a game - don't lose that perspective, play to have fun - if you're not having fun then don't play. A few years ago I got really frustrated in some games and went away mad/in bad mood regulary. Nowadays if I'm having a bad game day I just won't play until tomorrow - and the rest of my day is fine. Don't let the game affect your real life, it's not worth it.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 16, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Simple way to fix this problem is to seperate out the PvE and PvP aspect for Guild Wars. Long story short, PvE and PvP can't coexist... i don't care what you said about it. No one can't stand neither aspect of PvP and PvE. By removing PvP or PvE out of the way and make a seperate game. It might elimate those rude or unskilled peoples from getting on PvP and ruining the game for those that enjoy it.

By the way, I'm rank 0 and has no intention of getting rank3. In fact, I think PvP is a waste of time where you get ranked half the time by players who think they're better than you and cuss you out when you happened to beat them at HA.

TheRaven · Jan 16, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

By the way, I'm rank 0 and has no intention of getting rank3. In fact, I think PvP is a waste of time where you get ranked half the time by players who think they're better than you and cuss you out when you happened to beat them at HA.

This sounds a lot like a different game that I play. Folks play 1 on 1 matches. If a Level 5 player happens to beat a Level 16 player all you hear is "CHEATER!!!! HACKER!!!!! You're a measly Level 5!!! You can't beat me, I'm the best player in the game!!!!! You hacked the server, I'm reporting you!!!!!"

One of the main reasons I stopped playing that game was because of the immature attitude of the players. (Note: in that particular game, level didn't necessarily = skill. The more you play the higher your level. So a little kid who plays all day every day can obtain a high level even if he lost 3/4 of his matches)

Things are a bit better with the Ranks in GW. I believe that in general a Rank 5 player is better than a Rank 1 player and in a 1 on 1 scrimmage the Rank 5 would win 9 times outta 10. There are exceptions to the rule however.

For all you elite snobs that have been posting stuff like "quit leeching, noob" and "quit whining just because you suck", you obviously haven't been reading the posts very well. Most of us "noobs" aren't asking for handouts from elite players, all we're asking for is a little courtesy and common decency. I guess that's something that the immature player base is incapable of providing.

Definite Integral · Jan 16, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I'm not complaining about rank and emotes. I'm asking why there are so many buttcakes in Guild Wars. If I was asking for help on getting rank 6, I'd have searched for the threads that tell you how.

Not every PvE player is stupid.

There are so many buttcakes on Guild Wars because the majority of people IRL are buttcakes.

Yichi · Jan 16, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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