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onerabbit · Jan 14, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by yeah_hi

Is the Euro HA player base any better, in terms of elitist behaviour, or acceptance towards newbies/unranked?

Geniunely curious.

i'd say its based on elitism, im not a keen pvp'er, but ive done Ha a few times..and its pretty darn hard to get a team.

but unless you go IWAY or SF..then u ussualy have np's as they just take any1 xD

Taurucis · Jan 14, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

Taurucis i honestly thought you were one EMO kid... then you said you were not then I thought you are probably just a girl... turns out you are... here is one good advice to excel.. GET RIGHT FRIENDS...
although it may not seem like it your friends in the game are mostly the ones that hold you down... most HA people are their because they sacrifice friendship to excel because not all of your friends are good and if they are not they should be kicked... Friends come and go...

Somehow, everyone hates me the moment they meet me.

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

Being a girl gives you an edge.. you can get into groups just act cute and be decent... if you want into good guilds be like can i join and act girly in vent and get into top 50 guilds then HA with them sometimes problem solved

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I don't exactly want to get into a top 50 guild... because I don't like guilds where you have to follow orders all the time.

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

But I hope everything works out.

It never does. Trust me.

grottoftl · Jan 14, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

advice: never hang out in marhan's grotto. the place is always full of idiots. rank flashers, players who talk about how their armor is better than everyone else, pplayers arguing, players telling that they're 133t and the grotto wh--e she leeches off everyone.

llsektorll · Jan 14, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

im not going to say its easy because it is not... and im not going to say it isn't gona take time.. it can take over a year to get your rank9 depends on how much you play. You won't get it by crying about it. Go out and play. I do know a few r9+ girls out there and they do play well so its not impossible.

Malice Black · Jan 14, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Fame farming was the final screw in the fame system coffin.

Want to get in a decent HA guild? buy the fame..thats how many PvE people got into PvP guilds

Take the money they farmed and get fame farmed to R6.

Curse You · Jan 14, 2007, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by yeah_hi

Is the Euro HA player base any better, in terms of elitist behaviour, or acceptance towards newbies/unranked?

Yes. Or so I think from what I've seen. There is still people yelling out "R--+ group looking for ----" but there are a good number of random people who acually can get a win or two.

I think the main problem with idiots seems to be more focused in the American Servers. I changed to European servers about 1 or two months after starting guild wars. The only complaint I have is that sometimes there are no people around in the mission I want to do, but I've since learned to do missions eariler in the day, and trading and solo stuff later.
Generally, I've found that the whole society of the Euro districts is much better. The people are much more open, espessially with regards to language.

Malice Black · Jan 14, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by yeah_hi
Is the Euro HA player base any better, in terms of elitist behaviour, or acceptance towards newbies/unranked?

Yes without a doubt. I got my whole 8 fame from winning a few rounds in HA even had a few R6 people in the group just out to have some fun.

llsektorll · Jan 14, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I don't exactly want to get into a top 50 guild... because I don't like guilds where you have to follow orders all the time.

There are two types of players in PvP the Leader and Subordinates. You must be one and do it well. If you are not the leader be prepared to follow ordres well if you don't not only will your team lose but poeple will think you are a bad player. Remember in PvE you don't always have to follow orders in order to win as long as there is one guy left who ran away to rez up the team

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Top 50 guilds dont follow orders all the time. Most top guilds are laid back about everything but GvG. They are players just like you its just they are a bit more experienced and know when to be serious.

GenobeeX · Jan 15, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Dang i hate people like that. Just because you may be good at pvp ( you may even not be cuz of fame farming ) Doesn't mean your good at pve! They are to different styles of gaming and two different types of skill. If he is truely Leet than he should show his skill doing a good job and not wrecking the group and wasting your time. Why does this happen? People are jerks, human nature. People like to be the center of attention. Since your friend did what he did in FoW shows he is a noobie himself, mabey not in pvp but in Pve. If he wants to man up and be a true leetist he needs to do it thru skill.
My advice? Tell your friend to go back to pvp and show his rank to someone who cares.

Free Runner · Jan 15, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by yeah_hi

Is the Euro HA player base any better, in terms of elitist behaviour, or acceptance towards newbies/unranked?

Geniunely curious.

It does seem alot better in the Euro districts. When i am there i only see a few RX++ groups forming. Most of the time the players just want to form the team and go without messing about with rank.

Sid Doog · Jan 15, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Deleet

I was about to rage here, thanks Savio for making the day easier.

I'll give you one logical statement, easy to understand.

1. Ranked = Experianced.
2. People (generally) learn from experience.
3. Ergo, a ranked player is probably a better player than an unranked. (notice that it's not definite.)

1. My team wants to win.
2. Good players kill bad players.
3. Ergo i need good players.

Easy as pie.

Your so wrong with your #1 Ranked=Experience no way most Ranked players i have seen might be good players in HA but are junk in any group in pve, there have been a few that are good at both but not many at all. Thats just my 2 1/2 cents lol

llsektorll · Jan 15, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Sid Doog

Your so wrong with your #1 Ranked=Experience no way most Ranked players i have seen might be good players in HA but are junk in any group in pve, there have been a few that are good at both but not many at all. Thats just my 2 1/2 cents lol

here is why that is not always true...
PvP players that are high ranked means that you have a good understanding of the skills and how to manage energy and perform under pressure efficiently.
Not most pve players cannot perform well under pressure because there is no need to, if you die you just go in again or wait to be rezed.

PvE players do know areas as well as boss mobs, green locations, farm spots, and other pve related material better than 60% of PvP players. Most pvp players got there from PvE. Though they might not play extensively in pve they do know the basics of new areas and do keep updated with the PvE news if they don't they usually know PvP player that does know the info and get the scoop.

I'm not saying one is better than the other because PvE players obviously outnumber the PvP but monks are prime example in PvE of why i prefer Hero monks. When you get to areas such as Elite mission most monks and players on that level play well so PvE monks are not all noobs. Just many tend to be less exp. I still find it hard to believe poeple still use healing breeze in PvE as a healing skill

with no energy management.

Muk Utep · Jan 15, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

People who act like that are socially impaired people who use the internet as an outlet for their emotions. They're the virtual schoolyard bullies, and the internet makes them immune and brings out the worst in them. As with troublesome kids, the best thing to do is ignore them and let them play their own game.

As for rank discriminators, you can't ban them, because it's a choice they can make which is effectively similar to guilds who only want people from a certain country or groups who won't take mesmers. It sucks, but it's not against the rules, noone is forced to play with anyone they don't like, and if someone doesn't like people with low ranks, that's just how it is. It would suck equally if there were rules forcing you to accept anyone who asks to join.

More Outrage · Jan 15, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I suggest taking a leaf out of the other RPG industry:

"Don`t work with animals or children."

Seems to me those who flash emotes are usually children or "no life" teenagers and I want nothing to do with them. Pets on the other hand are ok sometimes.

Taurucis · Jan 15, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Alleji, I'm not naming any names.

Its not that I want a PvP guild. I just like to run around with a friend or two and some heroes, and do whatever we want. IMO there isn't any fun in following orders. Unfortunately, some people have no idea that there are some people who don't think following someone's orders every second they're online is "fun." They have the mentality that "if I can do it, then you should too. Stop whining."

I met up with a couple people like that in Dzagonur Bastion while I was randomly insulting the mission "Once upon a time Dzagonur Bastion exploded and the whole world was happy. The end" and some snob said "if you can't do the mission you should quit GW"

I really wish my Aura of Everyone-Hate-Me would go away. My ignore list is filling up exceptionally fast.

Moa Bird Cultist · Jan 15, 2007, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Yes without a doubt. I got my whole 8 fame from winning a few rounds in HA even had a few R6 people in the group just out to have some fun.

I'm sooooooo jealous of you - I only have 4!

N E D M · Jan 15, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

i racked up 10 fame during the "solo" HA phase lol

Omnidragon42 · Jan 15, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

If you're actually serious about getting into HA, here's some advice.

First, read this post: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10105129
I thought it was rather well written.

Second. People will be ranked higher than you. They wont let you in their group. You have three options:
1. Beat them at their own game. Start your own groups, take charge.
2. Sneak into groups. It's actually really easy and I did this alot when I was R1 and R2.
3. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind it. Stick it out 1-2 fame at a time with your friends (don't have any? go make some!). If you have fun doing it, great! if not, why do it?

It takes a while to rank up. But once you get to that higher level, you'll realize why people want ranked players. Does that give them the right to be a jerk about it? No, not really. But if you know how to play the game, learn to listen when someone gives you advice or tells you how to play a roll, you can develop into a great PvPer.

My name's Terashi. I was once a R0 Pug. I lead Rejects and Refugee's [RnR] (rank 70 on ladder). I am Rank 8 (3315 fame). I remember being in your shoes exactly. Trust me, all will be well.

taffette · Jan 15, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I really wish my Aura of Everyone-Hate-Me would go away. My ignore list is filling up exceptionally fast.

Piece of advice: self-pity is never an attractive trait. It tends to change opinions of you to the worse. Maybe that's what's happening? And I'd agree with Savio - the Grotto is renowned for being full of idiots, do you really want to rank yourself among them? There are plenty of other things to be doing, plenty of other places to be.

I'm a dedicated PvEer myself so I've come across PvP leetism before, I've found it best to ignore it and carry on doing my own thing.

Anghardel · Jan 15, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I understand what you're getting at here - how could I not, it's pretty obvious. I've seen a lot of it too, especially the Heros Ascent bit, and have some issues with that.

I enjoy PvPing, and have learned a heck of a lot in the time I've spent in HA. In about a monk I earned a little over 100 fame, bringing my current total to something like 138 (haven't checked in a while since I haven't PvP'd in the few weeks I've been going ot school).

Rank does in many ways mean that a person may be a more coordinated player. In reality, PvP and PvE play are very similar - the only major difference is that one pits you against NPCs and the other against PCs. I understand the folks that say they want to start a group that is full of higher ranked people when creating a PUG in HA because there are plenty of people that come there with one goal in mind, which is to get to the top (I just PVP for the heck of it, to have fun and to learn, with a more eventual "get to the top" attitude) as fast as is humanly possible.

However, nobody has to be an arse about it. I've had people flash their emotes at me and expect me to kiss their feet. Are you serious? There isn't one thing I'd kiss on those people, because no matter how good a player you are, an asshole is an asshole is an asshole, period. You could be the best player in the world but if you act like that I'm not going to pay you any mind.

I've met people while forming PUGs in HA who have said very politely that they'd rather have higher ranked people in their groups because they want to run a certain complex build, etc. etc. If you tell me this without biting my head off then hats off to you, and you've earned some small amount of respect from me. If not then again, you're just making a fool of yourself.

I'll have my Rank3, 4, 5, 6, 7+ someday, but since I don't PvP often enough to get it fast, it'll definitely take me some time. I've got no issues with it, nor do I have issues with others. If you don't want me then I don't have to come, simple as that, but you can't honestly believe that you can hurt my feelings nor that I give a rat's rear how long you've been running this that or the other build. *shrug*

I play Guild Wars to have fun. I find groups to play with all the time; just takes some patience. Like everything in life, to get to the good you have to wade through the bad. But hey, like someone else said earlier, one of your options is beating them at their own game. Earn your fame and then play with whoever you like. Might take a while but I'd hope you would be playing for the fun of it all anyway.