Curse

EternalTempest · Dec 27, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

An auction house would fill an important role. Stabilize prices and allows non trader to know what the value of items are without being in the "traders circle".

I do think it will cut down the spam depending on how it would be implemented.

Dralspire · Dec 27, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I don't think anybody enjoys trade spam. Lately I just link to my auctions (or a particular auction I consider more interesting) while keeping local and trade off as usual ...

idicious · Dec 27, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

About the trade feature in party search not being any use I disagree. Been doing alot of trading lately (yes I also hate people trading in normal chat) and always put it up there, people from other districts can then see what I have to offer w/o me having to hop between all of them, while I can put it up in trade channel of dist1 (where most sellers and potential buyers usually are)
I generally put it up again in trade channel a few seconds after I can't see it anymore with only trade channel turned on.

Hexum · Dec 27, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

One big reason is that the current trade system SUCKS.
So many times I wanted to buy something, and go "ohh, no one is selling it", only to look again and realized that I missed the seller with what I want in the mess of words. Not only is the seller frustrated cuz a lot of potential buyer will miss his post, but the buyer themselves often get annoyed themselves. The "P" trading system isn't even close to an improvement, in fact I find it worse than just typing in chat (trade chat mind you). Why?

1. You can only advertise ONE item at a time
2. Even advertising one item there isn't enough word space to type detail and pricing.
3. Still isn't automatic

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Obviously local spamming works for people, I suspect quite a lot of buyers deliberately look in the less cluttered color channel so that they won't get a headache reading.

This is why I don't use the Search feature. When I do try and sell things it is always a few items. You need to be able to post multiple items and have them readable for everyone and be able to have more character spaces (text) for your advertisement. When I sell I always use the trade channel.

When there are big events like this, you can expect trading to be at it's highest. If it annoys you turn the trade channel off, if that doesn't help go to another district if you are trying to talk. Point being, people will always spam the regular channel, especially if you mention it to them.

I think an auction house could help. of course it shouldn't be for selling inscriptions or stuff like that. Greens, golds and things of decent value. It could also help people who have no clue about items, their stats and value of said item. I run across alot of people who have no clue about these things and have to point them to wiki. I still see people trying to mod greens...

Tetris L · Dec 27, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Tempy

I guess I just don't understand the whole concept of "IF you don't like it turn off the channel!" I don't think we should have to turn off the ALL channel, because of it.

I don't expect anything to happen any more after all these months of waiting for ANet to take action, but still, for the 749th time ...

/signed!

Cheeva B · Dec 27, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Maybe local and trade chat should have a timed filter. You cant say anything within say 3 seconds of your last post. This of course wouldnt apply to guild/alliance/team/whispers chats. If you spam in guild or alliance chat, your guild officers have the option to take action and team leaders can kick you.

Maybe even a "Notify ANET" button beside your chat so your screenshot, time, date, etc can be stamped upon the report and you wont have to goto the web and lose out on game time. The report having a window asking who you are reporting. Repeated spam (like those who do it just to do it) of the notify button brings about a self ban. They could also use a link (like clicking someones name for whispers) that asks if you want to whisper this person or ignore this person to make things go faster. More people would use the ignore feature that way and the more people that ignore the same person could send a flag to ANET saying "hey somethings wrong, so many people are ignoring this person, lets see why"

Tempy · Dec 28, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by Muk Utep

I am in no way against people attempting to sell their items. I don't even mind if they use every acceptable way of doing it - using the trade channel, the new party function, and district-hopping. What bothers me is when the way they do it is:

Player 1: wtb sundering mod for sword
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 3: Selling Book of Secrets
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 4: wts the deathbringer pst
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME

This idiotic, selfish and utterly childish habit of uncontrollable spamming that so many players find a need to do. It absolutely destroys the channels, causing the vast majority of players to toggle them off, and it's not just when people want to sell something - I constantly see someone spamming repeatedly that they're LFP MISSION BONUS and whatnot. Even in a half-empty outpost where noone else is using the channel, these people have the basic instinct that their needs come at the expense of everything else in the world, and their habit of selfish spamming is so big a part of them that they don't even realize that a single input is sufficient when there's noone else actively using that chat medium. I hate it with a fury, and I would ban these people if I had the ability.

An auction house would be excellent. I don't think it will eliminate spammers, people will always try to use every way possible to get what they want, but that doesn't make an AH less useful. Those of us who don't want to sit around for hours if we have something to sell, or don't want to converse with an 11 year old spamming idiot when we want to buy something, would benefit greatly from such a feature. I'm completely in favor of the introduction of an AH, not as a cure to the spam, but simply because it'd be darn convenient.

What we need (and I have no clue why it's not there) is a spam filter. It's laughably easy to code, even for a novice coder, and should take no time at all for a professional one to manage. I posted it in the suggestions forum a few days ago but there's no harm in repeating it here. This is how it'd work:

An on/off toggle that, when on, purges any message that has been repeated within the span of, say, 10 seconds. This means that if someone spams the same message 5 times in as many seconds, you'd only see the first message, and the rest would be caught by the filter. There's no disadvantage to it, it can't be abused in any way, it wouldn't interfere with any of the game's functions, it would be a tremendous help with the current spammer problems... and it could be coded in the time it takes to brew a pot of coffee. I'll do it myself if ANet asks me to. To prevent the attempts at circumventing this system which people will inevitably do, in their selfish crusades to make the world revolve around them, you could even implement it so that if a big enough portion of the previous message is repeated, it's also purged by the spam filter. Thus thwarting the idiots who will undoubtedly try to...

Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME1
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME2
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME3
Player 2: WTS CC SHARDS WISP ME4

Please do us this huge (and effortless) favor, ANet, or give me a valid reason why you haven't.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

Whiplashr · Dec 28, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

^^ The worst thing about spammers like described above is, as soon as one person starts doing that, it only encourages others to do so.. the faster that chat window is flying, the more people start spamming their message 2, 3, 4 times at once.

I agree with the above post that it's selfish at it's heart.. but I also think alot of these people end up feeling they NEED to do it because, as can be seen in a really crowded town, that list flies by so quick.. you message just shoots off the screen in < a second. It just feeds on itself, spiraling out of control. Obviously if everyone just posted once, it'd be a huge improvement.. but no one is going to be "first" to do it. They just do what they have to do to keep it up there as often as they can.

It seems like it's hopeless to ever see any kind of normal chat in some areas. It's just a flowing billboard.

JediKnight · Dec 28, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

The ability to link an item to trade channel would also be hugely beneficial. That way you wouldn't have all the <<<<<<<<<< WTS XXXXXX>>>>>>>>>> crap that we see, as people try & make theire messages stand out.

All you would see is WTS XXXX (in green, gold, purple)

Shaq_gw · Dec 29, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Tempy

I guess I just don't understand the whole concept of "IF you don't like it turn off the channel!" I don't think we should have to turn off the ALL channel, because of it. I mean there are now 2 different TRADE areas, and one let's you spam all districts at the same time.

If you ask them to stop they get rude and nasty. I enjoy sitting in districts and answering questions but you can rarely see the questions anymore unless they spam them too (which is irratating too).

Sometimes I swear we should do a great big boycott of everyone that won't use the trade channels...LOL. But I guess until then off with the ALL chat it is.

Loved the Wintersday event!!! Hope everyone is enjoying it too.

Happy Hunting~Tempy

I am already doing that.

Sending a whisper to the person saying. I am interested in the trade you offer .. unfortunately my god forbids me to trade with a person who spams in all-channel (or who obviously has a broken caps-lock key)

Sometimes i do get a rude answer, adding that person to my friends list (so i can get all his character names in a few days) and then ignoring him for the rest of his in-game life.

milan · Dec 29, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

whisper *player* spamspamspamspamspamspamspamspam spamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspam

Rinse, repeat a couple of times followed by.

Whisper*player* How does it feel?

- Gobby - · Dec 29, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Well, i guess this doesnt affect me as i dont mind and have got used to not being able to have a nice quite chat in a outpost like Droks or Kaineng. The only time i go there is to sell an item or buy...and i bet most of u have spammed to get an item i know i have...

Hengis · Dec 29, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

The party search "Trade" section would probably help a lot more if there was enough room to properly describe and price the item you have for sale.

The current limit on the number of characters is not even sufficient enough to type "wts (insert name of weapon+mods) req 10, 25K"

If they can't describe the item they want to sell correctly then players are never going to use it.

Lamont Shadow · Dec 29, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I heartily agree - there is not enough room to describe your trade. That is especially confusing right now when you can't tell if the person is buying/selling ectos or frozen ectos, obsidian shards or candy cane shards because they didn't have enough room to specify. I try to use the search option as much as possible but manytimes there is just not enough room to make it workable. And, of course, players have quickly learned that almost nobody is using search because of the limitation so they go back to using chat. If they want it to be used in place of chat they will have to increase the space or it will quickly become and remain an unused feature for most players.

Demo Something · Dec 29, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by JediKnight

All you would see is WTS XXXX (in green, gold, purple)

Yeah and if you hover the mouse pointer over the name you get a drop down with an actual display of the item and the stats of it. That way you wouldn't have to type WTS Fiery Dragon Sword of Fortitude, 15^50, ...

Kendar Muert · Dec 29, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

I was thinking that too... (that something should be done.)

Two thing would really help in my opinion.

A real auction house so people have their items in the AH instead of in their inventory. (Wouldn't make sense to spam since buyers will be at the AH anyway.)

Also I was thinking that guild wars should take away the up arrow to go the previous message feature. That way people would have to type it in each time and would thus discourage the spam and encourage the current trade in the seach feature. (Yes you could still copy/paste but again it's still a little extra work to do over and over, and they'd have to get into the habbit of doing it differently so the majority would just stick it the search trade.)

If they took away that arrow id be screwed. I use it a TON, because my guildies are too lazy to scroll up, and i use it when im running- i provide detail with my run messages, so i fill up the bar. I support anti spamming, but i need that little arrow.

Cheeva B · Jan 05, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

I actually used to open trade with spammers and just sit. They'd cancel after a bit and I'd reopen. I figured if I couldn't read chat because of the rediculous amount of time they spam, why let them do any trading. Sure, I got the occasional mean whisper asking what I wanted to buy or telling me to stop, but I would ask the same ol thing we all hate. "you buy?" They'd run around town and try to lose me, and yea Im sure they got a trade or 2 in. But I got my point across and a lil revenge at the same time. They'd switch districts after awhile and they were outta the district I was in's hair. Maybe instead of boycotting, try that lol. Enough people do it across the board and maybe some of these jerks will get the hints.

As for linking and that kind of thing, you'll still have people spamming "look at my junk, click my link", or whatever they want to use.

Edit: Kendar, I've seen runners do that and I think its pretty professional to think of it without having to run and type at the same time. Props to you

Maybe kill the up arrow in local chat. A runner can still use it in team for their services rendered

Priest Of Sin · Jan 05, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

*dons flame retardent armor*

In World Of Warcraft, the Auction House is the widely-accepted method of trading. There is VERY little spam in the "world", because the players ALWAYS did it by auction house. The problem is that GW players have to deal with trying to sell something in town....

Kamadan, AD1 is TRUELY like a bazaar. The chat makes an incomprehensible jumble of mish-mashed words and phrases, and you can't usually make them out for the life of you. Just like in a real open-air market, people are screaming, trying to get your attention to buy useless crap.

Oh well. Auction house would be pretty cool, but I guess we'll just have to use Guru for now

Cherno · Jan 05, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I don't turn off the all channel because of the trade spam that is there in lower districts, I turn it off because of all the other horrible stuff that is said there. Seriously, you kids who can't get away with saying all the vile things that pop into your mind when you are around real people, need to remember that there are real people on the other side of the monitor. Some day your cozy habit of hiding behind internet anonimity is going to come back to bite you.

Sasuke The Betrayer · Jan 05, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

What I'd like to be implemented is something like a beginning sentence that would describe all things you're seling, then when people want to know more, they click it and there's a large paragraph for the things you want. Also.. it annoys me how this continuously happens (Not once have I ever done the normal district party joining EVER):

Player One: kk, meet me in dis 4 kamadan
Me: Uh, I invited you to my party. Just accept and you'll join
Player One: Which district are you in?
Me: ?? 1, why do you ask?
Player One moves to district 1 manually
Me: *sigh*
Player One: Where are you?
Me: I'm on the far corner of the map, near the traders in the back
Player One walks all the way and takes up more time.

How annoying.