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Sid Soggybottom · Nov 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Fluffyx

Well considering these work very simmilar to inscriptions which require a blank spot, I can assume they cannot be overwritten. If you can show me they are re writeable then I will change my opionion on this. Otherwise I stand by my previous statement.

Inscriptions dont require a blank spot. As long as the weapon or armor has either a blank or an existing inscription on it, you can overwrite it. Try it on a crappy weapon or something for yourself.

Vahn Roi · Nov 04, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Give it some time, the prices will go down as more people sell them to the trader.

Fluffyx · Nov 04, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Inscriptions dont require a blank spot. As long as the weapon or armor has either a blank or an existing inscription on it, you can overwrite it. Try it on a crappy weapon or something for yourself.

Alright, give me like 5 minutes and I will post my results.

If you are correct then I will have to agree with you.

Swinging Fists · Nov 04, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Hmm. It's disappointing to see that we risk losing the armor, but it is exactly what I suspected. So this "flexibility" of swapping insignias on one set of armor doesn't seem like something I'm going to do. I do believe you can overwrite these just like runes. I have done it with runes and it just gives you a warning that you will lose the existing rune, IIRC.

Of course, putting runes on heroes' armor is quite nice because you can always salvage them off and the heroes' armor will never break, so that's a good thing, at least.

Darkpower Alchemist · Nov 04, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

And yes, you can look at inscriptions,insignias, and runes in the same way. If they can be applied to your specific type of armor/weapon, then they can be replaced without being salvaged off. The slot is a universal space that can be changed as you feel to do, according to what I have read about it.

Think of it like a staff wrap or staff head. They may be either salvaged off or replaced totally.

NinjaKai · Nov 04, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

And how do you know that these prices won't go down to 500g each? Give it time. As I said, everyone want's insigna's right now. Once NF settles in the prices will drop, and they could even go less then 500g.

I love irony. Your both making conjectures based on speculation with no facts. Sorry but both of you are neither wrong nor right on this matter, at this current time.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 04, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Well the fact is, that insignias are at the highest demand they'll ever be. Until the next chapter with new armors that is.

And the fact is, that more and more insignias will be sold to the trader as time goes by. So I dont see why it's a stretch to say that prices will drop.

TideSwayer · Nov 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

You don't have 1k to spend on something? Take a few of your heroes + some hench and clear out a PvE explorable area. Oh, you mean you don't want to work for the money it costs to get something? Your loss, not mine. If you clear out an area with a hero+hench team, you WILL get 1k+ just from drops and gold. Stop thinking the only way to get $$ in this game is to solo stuff. Yeah, it takes longer, but it's certainly not impossible.

I love the insignia system. It makes getting blue/purple armors as drops actually worthwhile now. I hope ANet leaves it alone and doesn't cater to the people who could've made the money to afford any insignia they wanted just in the time it took them to write their posts in this very thread. Insignias make it much easier to modify armor stats without needing to spend the funds/materials to craft an entirely new set.

Factions/Prophecies armors are easier to get the way you want them? Well, buy those armors then and stop whining. It's not like ANet removed those traders from the game.

sdrawkcab11 · Nov 05, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Question - if i put one insignia on my armor say ranger +15vs cold damgage, then want the same peice say with+15vs fire must i keep buying insignia's and re-applying them? If so insignia's do not save gold in the long run and would cost more than haveing two armor sets especially a +energy and +health set.

TideSwayer · Nov 05, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by sdrawkcab11

Question - if i put one insignia on my armor say ranger +15vs cold damgage, then want the same peice say with+15vs fire must i keep buying insignia's and re-applying them? If so insignia's do not save gold in the long run and would cost more than haveing two armor sets especially a +energy and +health set.

Yes, you'd need to keep applying them. How many times are you going to want to change armor stats though? In the long run, if you feel the need to update your stats on expensive sets of armor you will save money via the insignia system.

Prices on insignias will drop, although like runes, there will still be some more valuable than others.

Alleji · Nov 05, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

The prices are not going to drop significantly. Already, the trader keeps them in stock constantly. This means supply is already outstripping demand. Yet the high-demand Insignia remain over 1k. I don't see Radiant Insignia ever dropping below 2500. This is a fundamentally unfair system when the other two chapters are taken into account.

Price is outstripping demand BECAUSE it's so expensive. Once nobody buys them for a while at that price, watch it go down as people keep selling insignias to the trader.

Phoenix Arrows · Nov 05, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

People don't need Insignias at all actually. They are just there to enhance your armor so that you are better equiped. That holds true with Inscriptions. Any armor or weapon will work fine, just not as well as if you had perfect weapons or perfect armors.

Sable Phoenix · Nov 05, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Alright. Once and for all. To everyone who says "just wait and they'll drop".

That. Is. Not. The point.

And you would know this if you took time to read my OP.

I've repeated myself three times, so this will be the last.

The Insignia should be frozen at 500 gold to maintain parity and fairness between the armor sets available between chapters.

In both Prophecies and Factions, a player can get a full set of max AL armor, with the mods he wants, for 1.5k per armor piece. This includes +Energy on each piece; every class has at least one armor with this mod. It is also one of the most popular, because it's one of the most useful.

In Nightfall, if a player buys a set of max AL armor, then purchases +Energy insignia, he's just spent almost four times the money that someone in Factions or Prophecies has to. The same goes for many of the most useful Insignia, which can result in at least doubling the price per armor piece.

This is inherently unfair, especially to the new players for whom cash is a problem.

At the same time, for the Insignia which are less than 500 gold apiece, it's unfair to the players of Prophecies or Factions who still pay the full 1500 gold per armor piece regardless of the mod.

There was nothing wrong with the old system, especially once it went to Factions where any armor skin could have any mod.

Regardless of whether the Insignia is over or under 500 gold at the trader, whether now or at any time in the future, they should all be frozen at a flat fee of 500 gold in order to maintain equality with previous chapters.

And as far as the "don't want to work for it", "lazy", "instant gratification", or any similar so-called argument against this goes... just stop. I don't know if it makes you feel superior, or if it's an overblown sense of schadenfreude, or what bizarre reason is behind it, but it's a ridiculous, inapplicable argument and you're just making yourself look bad. It's a game, which we play for fun, and this was something that directly impacts the gameplay of everyone, new and old, level 1 or level 20, something that was given to us inherently in previous chapters which now costs a significantly larger amount of money. Something that could be easily fixed.

KoalaMeatPie · Nov 05, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Mr_eX

Just because the rune trader doesn't have them in stock doesn't mean that they're not in high supply. It just means it's no longer profitable for the rich farming/powertrader guilds to buyout the rune trader's entire inventory.

But anyway, as others have said, demand is especially high right now because all of these items are brand new. It happened with Sorrow's Furnace greens (Brohn's Set used to cost ~500k,) it happened with the Ruins of Tombs greens, it happened with Canthan greens, it's happened with all the various event items, it's happened with weapon mods, it's happened with minipets, and now it's happening with all of these new Nightfall items.

The Insignia supply *will* grow very large, and prices *will* go down in time. If you don't believe this, then you need to study economics. There's nothing else to say about it.

Still doesn't explain WHY Anet decided to use that sytem, and unless radiant goes down to 500gp, Its a bad idea.

Mr_T_bot · Nov 05, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Cherno

The reason was to be able to change your armor around without having to buy a whole other set and using up inventory space. I like this idea a lot, especially so that you can mix and match things up to tweak them. I want a glads set for my warrior or do I want one with extra armor? Well guess I need to buy two full sets to cover my bases. Now you just have to buy one set and can switch out insignias.

If you make the incorrect assumption you will never destroy your armor when salvaging. Appeasing the minority of people who want to have multiple armor sets doesn't help the general public.

Cherno · Nov 05, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

I know they won't because I look at Superior Vigors and see them hovering at 30k despite always being in stock. I look at black dye and see them hovering around 10k despite always being in stock. It's the way the broken pseudo-economy of GW works. I guarantee you that the high demand insignia will never drop to 500 gold.

And as I said before, that is not the point anyway. In order to achieve parity and fairness with previous chapters, the Insignia must not be a variable commodity. They need to be frozen at 500g each.

And to be fair, do you remember watching superior absorptions that hovered around 100k and can now be bought for ~300g?

Cherno · Nov 05, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

If you make the incorrect assumption you will never destroy your armor when salvaging. Appeasing the minority of people who want to have multiple armor sets doesn't help the general public.

Or don't try to salvage out the old item, just overwrite it and overwrite the new one with another when you want to switch back.

Kha · Nov 05, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Cherno

And to be fair, do you remember watching superior absorptions that hovered around 100k and can now be bought for ~300g?

Do you remember that Superior Absorptions are pretty sucky now? They can make anything cheap by making it not worth buying.

Former Ruling · Nov 05, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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No my point is still valid even if you couldnt salvage the insignia at all. The point is that you can change the stats of your armor for a lot cheaper just by replacing the insignias than buying a whole new set. Try again.

So, Ok, made up Example to clarify this. During the day I play pvp and stuff with a warrior and use my favorite Shock build, so Radients help alot with energy management around exhuastion, but at night I fancy farming a few melee monsters for fun and that +armor vs physical or -3 dmg vs physical really helps me.

Just How many days can I go buying +energys every morning for 3k ea and replacing them at night with other insignias before that exceeds the cost of a set of 1.5k armor in Cantha (lets say...with runes and such..10k per different armor set)....About....not even one day actually, just rebuying the radiants is more than the armor set lol.

WOW...so much cheaper than just buying two sets of armor. Thanks for your advice.

Thats an extreme case, but you can see where I am going with this...

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 05, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

So, Ok, made up Example to clarify this. During the day I play pvp and stuff with a warrior and use my favorite Shock build, so Radients help alot with energy management around exhuastion, but at night I fancy farming a few melee monsters for fun and that +armor vs physical or -3 dmg vs physical really helps me.

Just How many days can I go buying +energys every morning for 3k ea and replacing them at night with other insignias before that exceeds the cost of a set of 1.5k armor in Cantha (lets say...with runes and such..10k per different armor set)....About....not even one day actually, just rebuying the radiants is more than the armor set lol.

WOW...so much cheaper than just buying two sets of armor. Thanks for your advice.

Thats an extreme case, but you can see where I am going with this...

As you said, you're using an extreme case. Common sense tells you to just buy two sets of armor if you're constantly switching stats. Or just use a PVP character to PVP if you're constantly switching armor stats to PVP. That's not really asking a lot.

But for most people who stick to one set of stats, this system is nice because it gives them the option of changing it later if they wanted to. Heck with this system, it paves the way for an even more flexible system with more options. Maybe they'll let us switch out insignias without overwriting or salvaging in the future. Bottomline is that this new system gives use more options now and possibly in the future.