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DreamWind · Jan 25, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

First I have to say, the idea that Guild Wars is free and thus we as customers shouldn't complain is bad.

Firstly, Guild Wars isn't free, it costs us money every 6 months if we want new content or to be competitive in PvP. That alone is as much as monthly fees on other games.

Secondly, we as customers have a right to complain when we see things that aren't being done as well as they should be. From my personal point of view, GW is a great concept that could be far better if some things were different. I am going to bring those points up to Anet whenever I can. I like Anet as a company for coming up with a great game, but I dislike many of the things they doing with said game. I also dislike how slow the updates are coming. Compared to some other games, the pace of updates in Guild Wars is horribly slow, which is yet another thing the customers have to complain about.

SodOffShotgun · Jan 25, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

First I have to say, the idea that Guild Wars is free and thus we as customers shouldn't complain is bad.

Firstly, Guild Wars isn't free, it costs us money every 6 months if we want new content or to be competitive in PvP. That alone is as much as monthly fees on other games.

Secondly, we as customers have a right to complain when we see things that aren't being done as well as they should be. From my personal point of view, GW is a great concept that could be far better if some things were different. I am going to bring those points up to Anet whenever I can. I like Anet as a company for coming up with a great game, but I dislike many of the things they doing with said game. I also dislike how slow the updates are coming. Compared to some other games, the pace of updates in Guild Wars is horribly slow, which is yet another thing the customers have to complain about.

Firstly, you have two firstlys.

Anyway, I agree that you should complain when something isnt right. As long as it's constructive.

But you're sort of skewing the perception on the cost of GW. Buying a new chapter every 6 months is close to being a monthly fee but other MMO's ALSO make you buy an expansion as well. GW is still far cheaper than those monthly fee MMOs.

And no people can't really complain about updates (at least updates of new content) being slow. The cheaper price means less updates. That's the tradeoff you get.

Loviatar · Jan 26, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

First I have to say, the idea that Guild Wars is free and thus we as customers shouldn't complain is bad.

Firstly, Guild Wars isn't free, it costs us money every 6 months if we want new content or to be competitive in PvP. That alone is as much as monthly fees on other games.
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when you pull figures from out of thin air and are incapable of simple math people will not pay attention to you.

WOW

purchase price same as original GW plus 15 dollars a month

15X12=180 plus at least 40 dollars purchase price =220 dollars

GUILD WARS TWO CHAPTERS FOR A YEAR

50X2= 100 dollars full price

it is less than one half the price not equal to the price.

also you can stop any time and still play while WOW cuts off your access if you dont pay .

learn basic math then post

DreamWind · Jan 26, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

when you pull figures from out of thin air and are incapable of simple math people will not pay attention to you.

learn basic math then post

Sigh...it is people like you that completely ruin threads and completely miss the point. I didn't say the price of GW and WOW is the EXACT SAME. WoW costs far too much and is a rip off which is why I'm saddened at the amount of players it has. I was making a point against people saying that Guild Wars is somehow free and therefore we shouldn't criticize Anet for not making the game better.

Guild Wars is NOT free. 2 chapters a year totaling 100$ which comes out to about $8.33 a month. That is only about a dollar less than some MMORPGS that get updated much more. I must now resist the urge to flame.

Diablo™ · Jan 26, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Free or not, I love Arenanet.

SodOffShotgun · Jan 26, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Guild Wars is NOT free. 2 chapters a year totaling 100$ which comes out to about $8.33 a month. That is only about a dollar less than some MMORPGS that get updated much more. I must now resist the urge to flame.

You're once again not factoring the cost of the game itself for the other games. Other MMO's is around 40 bucks for the game in addition to the monthly fee. You can't say that GW is only a dollar less than other MMOs.

Go look at Loviatar's post please.

DreamWind · Jan 26, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I am not arguing numbers here. I know GW is cheaper as a whole. Am I to understand that because GW is a little bit cheaper than other games that we should let Anet off the hook for blatant mistakes?? That stance is pathetic IMO.

Loviatar · Jan 26, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I didn't say the price of GW and WOW is the EXACT SAME.

you did not specify budget onliners

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Guild Wars is NOT free. 2 chapters a year totaling 100$ which comes out to about $8.33 a month. That is only about a dollar less than some MMORPGS that get updated much more. I must now resist the urge to flame.

you are getting a new game for your money not paying a monthly fee to play.

buy or not you can still play GW

SodOffShotgun · Jan 26, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

I am not arguing numbers here. I know GW is cheaper as a whole. Am I to understand that because GW is a little bit cheaper than other games that we should let Anet off the hook for blatant mistakes?? That stance is pathetic IMO.

What horrible blatant mistakes has ANET made that cancels out the much lower cost? I dont think anyone has said that no criticisms be made but rather that people are complaining FAR FAR too much considering that it's free. Free as in no monthly fee.

And if it's so horrible, why not go play something with a monthly fee if you feel like there's not enough updates?

Arcane De Farad · Jan 26, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

Free or not, I love Arenanet.

Yep thats main point of this mindless discussion. Anet have also good and bad days. Many good things were nerfed, many good thing were added and thats whole point of GW. Its stills on the run and never will stop untill we give up. It doesnt matter if you are PvE or PvP only. You are still a part of community

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Tide to Go · Jan 26, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

gw players= gangstas

WoW= fantacy freaks!!!!!!

so the people who complain, play WoW(just my opinions) I wouldent like the pay for guildwars, if its like 5 dollars, sure......but I cant spend all my money(not like im that poor) on a game....

DreamWind · Jan 26, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by SodOffShotgun

people are complaining FAR FAR too much considering that it's free. Free as in no monthly fee.

And if it's so horrible, why not go play something with a monthly fee if you feel like there's not enough updates?

This is the stance I hate. People say "well Anet can do X, because Guild Wars doesn't have a monthly fee". That line of thought is one reason GW is a worse game than it should be...not enough people stepping up and saying how things should be better.

big papi · Jan 26, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

anet ruined one of the ways i played the game

for that reason i do not love them

SodOffShotgun · Jan 26, 2007, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

This is the stance I hate. People say "well Anet can do X, because Guild Wars doesn't have a monthly fee". That line of thought is one reason GW is a worse game than it should be...not enough people stepping up and saying how things should be better.

Oh I step up plenty of times to say how GW PVE is poor and suggest ways on improving it. But I'm realistic and reasonable enough to not expect updates as frequently as a monthly fee MMO the way you're doing.

Also GW can't be that bad if it's getting awards for game of the year or whatever award it is...

Corinthian · Jan 26, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I think I'll go bash some level 2 mobs with my scythe. Seeing triple digits damage is always satisfying. It's like therapy.

Sakki · Jan 29, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Why are we talking about WoW when the thread title is about Anet...?

GW and WoW are two very different games and should never be compared.

I <3 Anet, its a miracle that they still listens to us when we bitch and whine like little kids.

sh4d0whunta · Jan 29, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Sorry buddy, but some of those "pvp players" are some of the best playersin the world and are the ones that, through their help not only could make pvp or pve, but the whole god damned game better

those are the players that know the skills out of their arses, they know every map, every nook and cranny in the game and they should be helping it be the best it is...

The problem with those "pvp players" is that some of them are the biggest arseholes in the world and those are the ones not in alpha anymore... The good players are (well most of them, but hell)

you dont know they are the best players in the world because they dont have tournaments for pve and personally i think pve buildmaking takes an extreme ammount of thinking p.s. i have a reasonable ammount of experiance in pvp and most of the builds are stolen of websites and my warrior build thats a pve build beats most warriors that ive versed i even killed three sins gang bashing me and another time 2 warriors gang bashing me and i had no help both times

dreamhunk · Jan 29, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by Tempy

People miss the point....Anet doesn't HAVE TO do anything more to any of the games...they have your money. Could just sit back and make the next installment and hope that it is different enough from the other ones that people buy it, or branch out into something else.

This constant bitching is what is ruining the game, and its not just me I have read several industry reviews and they all say how GW has one of the worst if not the worst communites in the gaming world. Game of the year aside. People bitching in game because events start PST, or that the event is gay or that people are noobs and think they can get into teams not flashing their rank emotes as "proof".

People are nasty, just try getting a question answered in game, or for that fact here, that is somewhat "noob".

Anet is great, are there things they could improve on? YES. Is that the main problem of the game? NO. Maybe for once sit back and instead of picking apart things...just be grateful that they even care enough to update and upgrade the game. Say a thank you once and a while and maybe just maybe it might spur them on a bit quicker, than the aspect of working on something that no matter what is just going to create someone bitching.

Everything is not a bed of roses. Anet did it to it's self. I have been around since day one from the time the community was good. everyone was helping anet. The community started going bad when anet had made factions. Anet at the time had favored pvp over pve, hence the fighting had started. Alot of "rpg" players were put down on fourms by pvpers. The rank and an elitest bullyed the rpg community. There was not much for pvers to do.

The hole fight with pvpers and pvers came about when anet made it so that you had to work for your skills. Anet had to because then the game would not have been an "rpg". Anet when it first sold it's game. Anet had called their game a coaperative rpg then later side with pvp call the game compeative. Pvpers would go around macking pvers saying they were the player base. When fact the "rpg" players were the player base. When factions came out alot of people were unhappy with guild wars.

What anet has done in the past has affected them to this day. it's the players that buy the game, Not the Industry.

lishi · Jan 29, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Well.

Anet is not giving us the update because they are good guys, they are giving us update because they told us they will give us update.

when i bought chap 1 i know what was the anet policy.
"between next chapter and now we gonna release a lot of update who will keep the game alive"
when i bought chap 2 i know anet will release free update and kept the game balanced with skill balance.
when i bought chap 3 i know blablabla

now if anet stop to make those update or those update suck. since was implicit when i was buying the game i was getting those as well permit me to be angry at anet and not buy next game if they don't begin to release decent skill change.

TideSwayer · Jan 29, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

ANet's vision of what the game should be seems to be nowhere near the same page as what brought a lot of people to it in the first place. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing, but it definitely has me on the fence regarding shelling out any more money past Nightfall.

Trying to keep PvE and PvP linked balance-wise is more or less ensuring that either one will never be as good as it can be. Each mode is becoming increasingly constrained by the wants/needs of the other. This isn't the same game it was on Day 1 of Prophecies' release. The community isn't the same. It's time for ANet to realize this.

To be honest, a major pet peeve of mine is that anything ANet decides to do to spruce up the mundane PvE play would only be for new chapters and the old chapters would be forgotten about (sort of like the new inscription system and the older skins from the first two chapters). I don't like how ANet more or less dumps the old chapters once a new one is released. To me, and to many Guild Wars players, it's one giant world. One giant game. I don't want this game, in total, feeling really disjointed or having different parts with different rules, etc. It's making Guild Wars look really sloppy overall and definitely taking away from any immersion factor I once had playing it.