Curse

Aradia Ashkal · Jul 10, 2005, 07:23 AM // 07:23

This morning i made my third character an played through pre searing As anyone I think I spent a few minutes in town buying dye. We all know its cheaper presearing but I do mean I scammed new players in to thinking their dye was useless. Most now know what prices should be but because of a lack of gold presearing it is just in general cheaper. If anyone sold me their dye for too much under what it was worth or some even just wanting to give it way I would explain about post searing and then 99% of the time they would still agree to sell it and thank me for letting them know. If not and they decieded they wanted to hold on to it till post searing I at least knew someone wouldn’t be cursing my name in a few days when they realized.
ANYWAYS,
What I am trying to get at though is that I think I am beginning to see a reverse in the scam on new players. There are of course still lots of people (Well I say alot but by no means do I think all older players in presearing do it) trying to buy dye for way under value (like 50g for silver) but I have now started to see players trying to SELL dye for way OVER the value by claiming its worth that in post. Like this evening someone tried to convince me silver was selling for 3k in post while another tried to convince me that pink and gold dye were "super rare" and that I must shell all my money to them for this once in a lifetime deal. Also I saw alot of black dye going for well over 7k (well not going but being advertised)
First of all who in the world had 7k presearing? I suppose its possible but not likely. Second as I mentioned above I believe if you are going to sell dye presearing you need to take into account that noone has nearly the amount of gold as they will post. If you want to sell your dye for those prices it isn’t to much of an in convince to hold on to it until you are post searing.
Of course I’m sure someone is going to respond "if someone buys it for that then thats what is worth" which normally I would agree with but does it still hold truth when the scale of price is clearly laid out like at dye traders.
Maybe there should be a dye trader in presearing. Separate of course from the supply demand of post.
The same could truly go for runes also although I see no point to them presearing. But the scam is going on there also. Tonite someone was advertising a minor something or other rune for dirt cheap as they put it which was 150. When I pmed them about how much it was worth at the trader he replied 120 and laughed. Now me not really wanting to judge I did type though shame on you with a lol and wink but he replied with a f u and how I was a bad business person.
I guess I didn’t realize to be a good business person I had to Knowingly scam people.

Principa Discordia · Jul 10, 2005, 07:56 AM // 07:56

They need a dye trader in pre-searing, end of story. I, too, have seen many people trying to scam-off dyes saying that purple is worth a platinum and so on, it's idiotic.

DarX · Jul 10, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

I started a new character yesterday, i saw someone also saying that they were selling green, red, yellow and silver dye and that silver was 700g and the rest were 550g. There are to many people trying 2 scam noobs, there should be a dye trader

SJG · Jul 10, 2005, 08:17 AM // 08:17

When I first started playing I thought dye was useless and I would sell it at the merchant for one gold piece.

The funniest thing I did, though, was to put black dye on a 5-7 tribal blade. I regretted that once I got to post-searing Ascalon.

Sekkira · Jul 10, 2005, 08:34 AM // 08:34

I saw a dude selling black dye for 4k at fort ranik in pre searing. He and I both knew that yes it was worth that much, but I promptly told him he'd have more chance to sell it in post searing for that price. I don't know anyone that has even close to 4k in pre searing.

Principa Discordia · Jul 10, 2005, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

I saw a dude selling black dye for 4k at fort ranik in pre searing. He and I both knew that yes it was worth that much, but I promptly told him he'd have more chance to sell it in post searing for that price. I don't know anyone that has even close to 4k in pre searing.

You can get it from the trader for 4k, so I wouldn't pay that much. But, your main point is more than correct, he would've had better luck selling it just by getting out of pre-sear.

Warskull · Jul 10, 2005, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Pre-searing has an isolated economy, no one will ever have the money to buy stuff for its post searing price. A Pre-searing piece of gold is worth more than a post-searing piece of gold. The only way to fix this would be to add a storage pre-searing to link the economies (and then add traders to regulate prices.)

Aniewiel · Jul 10, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

They need a dye trader in pre-searing, end of story.

This would end the scamming on both sides of the aisle.

rotor · Jul 10, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I wonder How a person would be able to obtain a rune from a normal salvage kit.

Yes they defently need a Dye trader in pre-ascalon. But that might make an influx of players go to pre-ascalon hunting dye, making the price to drop

Or people leaving pre with more than 1plat in their pocket.

Sekkira · Jul 10, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by rotor

I wonder How a person would be able to obtain a rune from a normal salvage kit.

I doubt it's the rune itself, most likely the identified but unsalvaged one.

Aradia Ashkal · Jul 10, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Yes they were like Sekkira said which lead me to beleive also those seelling them for inflated prices probably didnt metion not to salavage them with an expert kit.
While i originally also thought a dye trader presearing waht the answer now Im not so sure. While it would certainly contain the scamming problem it would also create another.
We all said pre and post searing have different economies so dye would still be cheaper pre. We will then have a sudden increase of people making new chars just to buy dye of the trader adn bring it post. The issuse would still be there but I guess though at least it would save new players.
Maybe the real solution owuldbe to not have dye drop presearing.

PhineasToke · Jul 10, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Since 99% of players instantly upgrade their armor in post (through the armorer or collectors) what is the purpose of dye in pre to begin with? The only reason I see the need for a dye trader is to sell dye TO for the gold. If a player already has characters in post, dye is meaningless except to carry a black or silver with them for the cash.

Principa Discordia · Jul 10, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by PhineasToke

Since 99% of players instantly upgrade their armor in post (through the armorer or collectors) what is the purpose of dye in pre to begin with? The only reason I see the need for a dye trader is to sell dye TO for the gold. If a player already has characters in post, dye is meaningless except to carry a black or silver with them for the cash.

Actually, a lot of players seem to spend a lot of time in pre-searing. Just the other day I was talking to a bunch of people in Ashford Abbey, and they didn't even know there was a searing and one or two had played since launch.

Charrbane · Jul 10, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

I was just thinking. If they don't put a dye trader in pre-searing then at least they could put in an NPC in Ascalon City who clues in the new players as to the prices of dye. Maybe even have the NPC give the player a Quest to go retrieve a shipment of dye that was stolen by some Grawls. You may not get any dye out of the quest but you do learn what the stuff is worth at least... Just a thought.

Kyle · Jul 11, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by rotor

I wonder How a person would be able to obtain a rune from a normal salvage kit.

Yes they defently need a Dye trader in pre-ascalon. But that might make an influx of players go to pre-ascalon hunting dye, making the price to drop

Or people leaving pre with more than 1plat in their pocket.

I left with 3.5 plat in my pocket. But ya. ppl in pre dont know the value of dye. I was helping some guy get the rez sig and he askd me what dye was for. i told him to dye ur armor and to save it till post cuz it would be worth more and u wouldnt waste it. with him knowing that. he gave it to me. who says nice guys finish last.

ManadartheHealer · Jul 11, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

Actually, a lot of players seem to spend a lot of time in pre-searing. Just the other day I was talking to a bunch of people in Ashford Abbey, and they didn't even know there was a searing and one or two had played since launch.

Um...woah. How do you spend that much time in pre-searing?

I personally got my first character to post-searing by accident. I asked a guildie how I got to the PvP arenas, and he directed me to the Academy.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Um...woah. How do you spend that much time in pre-searing?

I personally got my first character to post-searing by accident. I asked a guildie how I got to the PvP arenas, and he directed me to the Academy.

I spend a lot of time in pre-searing myself, actually. You should check out my thread in the Off Topic forum about my compulsive re-rolling addiction.

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Kazahana · Jul 11, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I spend a lot of time in pre-searing myself, actually. You should check out my thread in the Off Topic forum about my compulsive re-rolling addiction.

i have that same addiction never get a 4th character past lvl 9 befor i kill em

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 11, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Warskull

Pre-searing has an isolated economy, no one will ever have the money to buy stuff for its post searing price. A Pre-searing piece of gold is worth more than a post-searing piece of gold. The only way to fix this would be to add a storage pre-searing to link the economies (and then add traders to regulate prices.)

Nice, then I can use this 7 req max damage sword I found for my pre-searing character! >.>

calendae · Jul 11, 2005, 09:41 AM // 09:41

If they really want to kill this problem, they should eliminate dye drops in pre-searing. Pre-Searing characters don't really need it, and it gives a new aspect to post-searing for new players. Just a thought, there are many ways to skin a cat