Curse

Jetdoc · Feb 06, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by The Silver Star

most people PvE rather than PvP because:

They give into flammers and haters.
They arnt skilled enough.
They suck in general.

Anyone else find this ironic?

Horseman Of War · Feb 06, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

well despite what you say, I believe your little thread here is nothing BUT flaming pve.

Someone of your meager pve experience has absolutely no idea about inventory clutter. I promise you that much. Simply no clue at all.

The rest, meh Im not touching it.

edit: ok, one little poke...

I think its pretty sad that in a game such as this, with many many minigames, there will be people that feel 'their' way is the only way to play. Who really cares if Joe doesnt like pvp or if Mary doesnt like pve?? This game offers enough options to play in a variety of ways, so if you dont like two-man UW, dont do it. If you dont like HA elitism, for whatever reasons you have, then dont go there. Personally, I do all of it. Im not a subjugating hero or a thrice-over grandmaster cartographer, I simply play to have fun at the end of my day. For some people, guildwrs is a lifestyle... but when it becomes your life, then you really need to analyze yourself rather than crying over spilled milk.

ElinoraNeSangre · Feb 06, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

It's pretty simple in my case: I don't like PvP. I didn't pick up this game to play against other people, I picked it up because my brother and his fiancee wanted to run around and kill stuff and play PvE.

I play video games not to "win", but to just relax and chill, pop on for a few minutes and do a quest when I'm feeling fried after I get home from work, ect. Plus I'm addicted to shiny armor and love getting shiny new stuff for my chars. I can't help it, I like shiny things.

Although I do confess I have got a little bit of a fondness for some of the PvP-ish stuff in Factions that's sort of part of the PvE experience (Fort Aspenwood ect).

Str0b0 · Feb 06, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by The Silver Star

Ok i kept trying and writing big posts but really most people PvE rather than PvP because:

They cant use vent/ts because of family etc.
They simply dont like killing people.
They give into flammers and haters.
They arnt skilled enough.
They dont want to try and get r3 like everybody esle did.
They beleive rank elitisn sucks and should be in r10+ because there equally as good.
There PvE chars arnt aloud in because they dont have sup vigor and right weps.
They suck in general.
They believe they will never get in a top guild even though they have enver tried PvP (seriously)

I see two iterations of the lamest "reason" I've ever heard. "They suck." "They aren't good enough." First off you can't logically say that. If they don't PvP then you have no yardstick to measure them by. For all you know they could easily step into HA with a competent group and completely demolish an HA group from a top 10 guild. You can't make definitive statements like that without solid evidence. Secondly lack of interest does not mean lack of the necessary skills, and let's face it the ability to yell at people over TS and mash buttons is a dubious "skill" at best. I for one simply have no interest in competition. I can do it. In fact I was involved with a very good very GvG-centric guild for a long time before I just stopped caring about the competition. It didn't do anything for me and it got really old really fast. That's not me saying "OH PVP SUXXORZ!11!" That's me saying I got bored.

Some people aren't competitive by nature and for them PvE suffices. Other people set priorities on what they want to compete in. For me my priority shifted from games to business. All my competitive energy goes into the operation of my store and achieving the best market share possible in my industry niche and geographic location. That's the competition that matters to me and it feels a lot better to me to have that wad of cash than cape trim or rank emotes. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that all the reasons given are valid reasons and no one, and I mean no one, can compile a short list of reasons that will suffice to explain why people prefer PvE over PvP. In the end this thread is the best list you can have since it offers many varied reasons that are as individual as the people writing the posts.

EDIT: This bugs me too!!!

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Originally Posted by Age

The reason that coop mission were invented wasn't to go and have fun it was to train you for PvP that is why it is called a coop mission.This is so you can cooperate between your guild or others until you are ready for PvPing.It wasn't really intended for just to go and have fun but that has all changed.This why you shouldn't be useing heros in them.

Ok maybe that was how PvE was envisioned originally by the design team but it is clear now to even a casual observer that PvE has become an important segment in the game and cannot be relegated to the role of a "PvP tutorial". Continuing to say that "PvE is just training for PvP" is not only an erroneous statement but an ignorant one. That state of the game has changed and I think that Anet realizes this. Nightfall saw a lot more attention to PvE and it shows. If anything we now have two separate games in spirit if not in code and packaging. We have Guild Wars PvP and we have Guild Wars PvE. Saying that one is just a tutorial for the other is as ridiculous as saying that Need for Speed is just a tutorial for Gran Turismo.

Dougal Kronik · Feb 06, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Str0b0, you have hit a bull's eye!

The game is composed of individual's who have their own agenda's and goals in mind.

No one list can encompass each of the players, whether they PvP or PvE, or do both.

And that should be the last word on what any one individual thinks of another's reasons or motivations.

Give your own reasons, and let's leave it at that.

Sniper22 · Feb 06, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Its easier for a noob to get into pve than pvp.

Everyone in pvp is only excepting r3/6/etc + people which is pathetic. It's hard for new people to get in. They also don't know the builds that work and it's hard getting to r3. And NO ONE seems to be helping out the new players at all, people just tell them to create their own unranked group.

This whole, "We all had to get to r3" saying is BS and it's a sucky excuse to not help new players. No one likes grinding their way to R3 and it turns a lot of people off. I've been playing for 20 months and I'm only R3 (heading to R4). I didn't do much pvp in the beginning because most people were like, "Forming R3 Air Spike!" and all that crap. I didn't know any decent hoh builds and I never knew where I could find them online. We need people/guilds helping out the new people to improve the pvp community.

Tingi · Feb 06, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Sniper22

Its easier for a noob to get into pve than pvp.

Everyone in pvp is only excepting r3/6/etc + people which is pathetic. It's hard for new people to get in. They also don't know the builds that work and it's hard getting to r3. And NO ONE seems to be helping out the new players at all, people just tell them to create their own unranked group.

This whole, "We all had to get to r3" saying is BS and it's a sucky excuse to not help new players. No one likes grinding their way to R3 and it turns a lot of people off. I've been playing for 20 months and I'm only R3 (heading to R4). I didn't do much pvp in the beginning because most people were like, "Forming R3 Air Spike!" and all that crap. I didn't know any decent hoh builds and I never knew where I could find them online. We need people/guilds helping out the new people to improve the pvp community.

yes and no. I agree with you...forming groups in PvE is (or was before DARN HEROES WHICH RUINED PVE....lol but that's another story) is much, much easier than forming the typical PvP group.

Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows that the rank system is bad. I mean it's just so flawed but it is way too late to change it now. I know so many people say it, but if someone wants to gain rank you have to either:

Find a typically Cookie Cutter build and play one character until perfected and then PuG it out in unranked HA groups

Or find a decent guild that's willing to help/wants to do more PvP

I have not played HA in months...just becuase it's really quite crap now. I still LOVE GvG (best part of GW IMO) but it's hard to find a decent guild. I may start to HA again (been r5 for like 9/10 months now lol) but only when it is changed back to 8v8.

And yes to rank elitism IS a problem. But there is pretty much nothing anyone can do about it. If someone keeps flashing their high rank emote it usually means that they are a 10 year old kid nerdy guy who you can just feel sorry for.

thedork01 · Feb 06, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I enjoy both PvP and PvE. One thing about PvP however that bothers me to no end is the elitism involved. I was recently trying to get more involved in PvP so I went to GToB and asked if any guilds were willing to recruit someone who was new to PvP. The first response I got was "no, go back to pve." In HA when I try to get in a group they see that I have no rank and kick me. How am I supposed to get fame if I can't even get into a group?

In PvE MOST people are always willing to help out a n00b, or invite them into their party to try to teach them. I know in DoA today I did a run with a tank who had never done it before. The first few tries were a failure, but after a little bit of help and explaining, we did a complete Gloom run.

I wish that the general PvP community would be more willing to help out others. I think this is one of the big reasons that PvE has so many players, while PvP is becoming smaller by the day. Essencially the only PvP that I can do is RA or AB because any others the parties will not accept me.

Crom The Pale · Feb 06, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I can't and would not speak for the majority of people, however I am a dedicated pve player for a lot of reasons.

One is that I feel a sense of accomplishment completing a hard quest or mission. I gain some gold and possibly a few items worth keeping or selling.

Another reason is that if I'm short on time I can log in and grab hench/heros and play for exactly the amount of time I have and quit, no strings or ticked off people.

Lastly because of my guild. Ive spent hours debating/arguing about skills or real world topics with them, then joined them on a quest to kill the evil ( insert monster name here ) and capture a skill or green drop.

Sir Seifus Halbred · Feb 06, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I enjoy both PvPing and PvEing. One thing about PvP that bothers me however is HA etc. If your not ranked..people automatically think you aren't good or experienced enough. When i pvp i tend to do TA and RA.

crime.mob · Feb 06, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Original poster again ---
God stop putting PvP down so much, lol now i'm on the defencive-

You guys talk about which one takes more time and which is more casual- IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO DEVOTE TO IT!!

People PvE hardcore as well, as i don't doubt there are many hardcore PvE guilds that always farm in the underworld and FoW and stuff, just as hardcore PvP guilds always GvG or HA or something

In PvP you can be very casual- in RA you just click enter battle like it was an FPS and your automatically in. I sound like a n00b for playing it but when i need faction fast i go there; and I win 7/10 of the time (this is b/c i run paragon support builds or be a monk, otherwise it truly would be gambling unless your build and your leadership skills are godlike). You could also do TA, which rewards for finding and making good groups and team builds, but you can still join a group fast by self inviting to all groups with 3 ppl present (unless your an unpopular PROFESSION like paragons

) - hint- you can also press "enter battle" with no one in your group which will put you in a team that entered w/ 3 ppl... but sometimes it puts you in international servers if the game can't find anyone from your country

People keep complaining of how stressful pvp is and they like role playing games, but i really don't know what kind of people are like that (take no offense im just speculating). I play sports and play video games with my friends, and for me competing (and pwning) is just plainly more fun than "co-operating", i dunno just my 2 cents.

If you play for fun, both can be very casual, but i agree to get to the upper tier of PVP you have to be much more of a hardcore player than someone who built themself up in PVE over the period of a couple of years because PVP is usually guild and metagame understanding dependant.

Vinraith · Feb 06, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

They're two very different games, and many people's tastes aren't broad enough to make both interesting to them. On one hand you have a cooperative, party based action RPG. On the other you have... well a competitive action game with a little strategy, basically. PvP isn't an RPG since there's no character development, it borders on a sports game in some sense.

For me personally, RPG's tend to provide a lot of gameplay and sports games tend to get old in about a week. That's the basic reason I PvE and don't PvP. People with different tastes will naturally get more mileage out of one or the other.

Actually, there's another element here too. PvP requires real people, PvE doesn't. If you have a small base of friends in the game (or none at all, I suppose) you can still PvE without resorting to PUGs but can't PvP without dealing the the PvP crowd.

Kakumei · Feb 07, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred

I enjoy both PvPing and PvEing. One thing about PvP that bothers me however is HA etc. If your not ranked..people automatically think you aren't good or experienced enough. When i pvp i tend to do TA and RA.

More than anything else, rank is a decent measure of your experience. Not skill, mind you, though they're (very) loosely related. A rank4 individual is going to have more experience--likely both good and bad--than a rank1.

Sagius Truthbarron · Feb 07, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Guild Wars, due to its lack of a subscription fee, targets a large medium of people who want to experience MMORPGs. PvE caters to the casual gamer, while high end PvP targets the more hardcore trainer - and in the case of HA, farmer.

Lack of skill has nothing to do with people not playing PvP, because most of the people who play PvP just have experience and practice, they are not anymore skilled than anyone else.

And you can expect alot more people to be playing PvE when I new chapter's just come out. They all want to get the new outfits for all their characters. In time it dies down and nobody is in any of the channels, atleast not in North America.

I noticed alot more people PvE in Europe than they do in America. I was totally amazed the other day to find that in Europe people still regularly do FoW and UW group runs.

GrimWizard · Feb 07, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

I was totally amazed the other day to find that in Europe people still regularly do FoW and UW group runs.

Heh, that has nothing to do with them favoring PvE over PvP. That is just because they have favor ALL THE TIME, thus FoW and UW are more casually available than other countries.

Infact It should prove that Europe Favors PvP over PvE because you have to win in PvP so much to even be able to get to FoW and UW.

BogusDude · Feb 07, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Each to their own i say. Personally I've never had any real interest in pvp style games in the 15+ years i've been gaming, Mortal kombat used to bore me to tears after 5 mins. I make myself available to my guild for GvG when numbers are short, but thats only because with 4-5000hours behind me i can atleast hold my own and have everything needed on my pve chars. I don't care if we win or not so long as my fellow guild members who are into PvP get their fix of fun. I have plenty of friends who are 100% pve and likewise simply are not interested in pvp, suppose to some degree its the younger generation who are more interested in the competitive side of pvp and "proving themselves"

With 3 chapters gw has plenty to offer. With several chars to pick from i find myself constantly switching from one to the other farming one area, doing a few quests, a few missions. Get bored switch to another char try somewhere new to farm, a new build, team up and help some guildies out etc. Admittedly i've henched/heroed most of each campaign with all my chars, why its atleast twice as quick as pugging it. Heroes for people like me are great, not only can i make sure my team is equipped with the right build and weaps for the area but i can also control their spellcasting and positioning, i love my mm, b/p interruptor, P/W support and SF heroes. For those who hate the hero system, kick your heroes and pug away, theres plenty of like minded people. Heroes are great but they have not affected MY choice on whether i hench it or not, if i have a char thats finding it a pain to get past a mission i call on a guild group not a pug one!

Sagius> with nightfall came new players, if they have not yet experienced UW/FoW or solo farming then obviously they're gonna try group runs. Still nothing wrong with the B/P FoW group, rarely fails even with first timers and reasonably quick. Trapping UW, yes you can solo trap it but its a heck of alot quicker and more effective with a team. Must admit i'm not liking the changes to SV/AV and rend ench as my fav choice of solo UW is 55Mes(yeh yeh its not the quickest), it doesn't stop me but i have to be on my toes alot more now with those nightmares, no more wanding before they get rend ench off. Just give me an excuse to try out the E/Mes build i've been wanting to do for a bit

strcpy · Feb 07, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by crime.mob

You guys talk about which one takes more time and which is more casual- IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO DEVOTE TO IT!!

True, however it is MUCH easier to be a casual PvE'er, Not necessarily easy in terms of skill, but in that 99% of the game is open to you and groups/guilds tend to be easier to find.

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In PvP you can be very casual- in RA you just click enter battle like it was an FPS and your automatically in. I sound like a n00b for playing it but when i need faction fast i go there; and I win 7/10 of the time (this is b/c i run paragon support builds or be a monk, otherwise it truly would be gambling unless your build and your leadership skills are godlike).

While technically PvP, few consider it much more than goofing off. I RA from time to time and have quite a bit of fun (hero battles can be the same way). TA is the first "real" PvP and unless you spend quite a bit of time usually about as far as you are going to get. Of course, there pops up that whole "elitism" thing that makes that whole area un-fun to me.

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People keep complaining of how stressful pvp is and they like role playing games, but i really don't know what kind of people are like that (take no offense im just speculating). I play sports and play video games with my friends, and for me competing (and pwning) is just plainly more fun than "co-operating", i dunno just my 2 cents.

I know I see it described in the way I did way back early in the thread - "stressful" isn't the right word - "not fun" is more it. I've played competitive sports, the net step in where I was with shotgun and pistol was semi-pro at national shoots (and I shot well enough to do so). I've also played FPS enough to climb ladders.

However, I suspect that, like me, a lot of these posters did that in their youth. Been there, done that, don't feel like it anymore. Even in real life I have WAY more fun loosing almost every racquetball game I play (for reasons unknown to me I can not play racquetball worth a flip) than going to a state archery tournament where I would place in the top 5 simply because of the atmosphere. Thankfully I can go to a local archery club and just shoot and have fun (which would be PvE'ing over PvP). In both the archery cases I'm "casual" but only one tends to have an atmosphere I have fun in and in neither case do I get stressed.

I do not see very much bashing of PvP - nothing I said above is either, the actual mechanics and game should be quite a bit of fun. It is more a commentary on the general community one must deal with. While the same could be said about the PvE community I have the choice to ignore them and never deal with them on the PvE side. Were I to have too then I wouldn't PvE either.

Heck, it's not too hard to see in this thread - how many "people PvE because they suck" have we seen? No one on the PvE end of things say *all* PvP'ers are, just that the attitude is prevalent there and unavoidable - few deny it, just say we have to learn to put up with it (Umm, no I do not).

bungusmaximus · Feb 07, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred

I enjoy both PvPing and PvEing. One thing about PvP that bothers me however is HA etc. If your not ranked..people automatically think you aren't good or experienced enough. When i pvp i tend to do TA and RA.

What I always do is pop into HA, see if someone needs a class I play well, and if noone does, pop out and play somewhere else. Don't waste time there waiting, there are people that don't care about rank, you just have to be lucky to run into them. If not don't even bother. This way i get to play and farm fame without geting frustrated, it's only a bit slow, but fame should be hard to come by, thats a simle fact.

CyberNigma · Feb 07, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I think there are many more people in PvE that do play PvP that you just aren't seeing. Many of us just play real traditional PvP (aka FPS and even RTS games) as opposed to the GW version of RPG PvP. RPG PvP just isn't everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand, you may find many of us at QuakeCon again playing games like UT, CounterStrike, Quake, even StarCraft/Warcraft (RTS's). Many of us that do enjoy some PvP being about selecting spells/skills and strategically playing them out would rather play Magic:TG and leave GW to doing what those other games can't do as well (PvE adventuring). Some people don't believe GW's PvP is really hardcore, despite the tourney prizes offered and would rather play fast-paced/twitched based PvP or more traditional CCGs.

Grolubao · Feb 07, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by ikpt

I play PvE because for me, video games are supposed to be relaxing. If I wanted to prove I was "better" than someone, I'd go outside and punch a random stranger in the face. Using a video game as a platform for the "Ha, I beat you, I'm a better person than you" attitude is retarded. Life is stressful enough when you get older, I don't need stress from video games either.

PvP is not about proving that you are better than someone, it's basically making a group of 8 persons play a coordinate thing and study tactics.

Don't u managed to achieve some ubber 1337 weapon or title? What is that for other than saying that you're better than someone else?
In PvP you have warriors with ascalon armors and nobody really cares, as long as they are good players