Curse

Metasynaptic · Feb 21, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Give pet tamers the ability to buy and sell minipets like a rare material trader.

Mmmm...

Aegeroth · Feb 21, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Over at GWO, everyone sounds pissed saying people cheated
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=442900

Ah yes! But we are Civilised!

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Originally Posted by Laenavesse

ROOOLLLEEEERRBEEEEAAATTTLLLEEEEE O_________________________________O *goes crazy*

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Originally Posted by Metasynaptic

Give pet tamers the ability to buy and sell minipets like a rare material trader.

How would they do dual currency?
[$$ + Ectos]
There a good few mini pets worth more then money i believe.

scyfer · Feb 21, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Sounds like the top 100 list WON'T be redone to exclude the 40+ duplicate names on it, from what I gather over at GWO.... pretty disappointing :/ If nothing else, THAT'S definitely a reason to be annoyed at the way the event was handled/run (and was advertised as "top 100 racers" - more like top 50 <or less> accounts).

atkafighter · Feb 21, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

OK Honestly from reading through all 7 pages of this now, this is complete crap. so what you all are saying is that EVERYONE who participated in the Rollerbeetle races should have a minipet. umm no, youre dead wrong. it was designed as a competitive event. so does this mean that all the guilds participating in the celestial tournament should get a cape trim? if anet did that 90% of the top pvp community wouldnt even play because there would be no point. Youre asking the same thing to be done to this little mini ladder because you werent good enough to get your prize. boo hoo.

Anyone, after the first event, could find out how to get a pig, so dont give me this bullshit that you HAD to spend all weekend farming the items. I asked around in towns to find out what was needed. since i wasnt goign to have a whole lot of time to participate in the events. i found out in 5 minutes that i had to find a district that had all the items. lucky the district i was in said that there was a guild that had all the items that was hanging out in that district and said that they would get free pigs for everyone. so i pretty much got a pig by trying to learn something... imagine that. Its amazing what a little research can do for you....

It was a players choice as to what they focused on and what they decided to do over the event. There was not anything saying that you had to race only or farm items only, the events are to be enjoyed by everyone in their own way. There was a little NPC and also anet even made a comment about giving prizes to the top 100, so therefore if you didnt compete, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: yes i did compete in the rollerbeetle races and no i didnt get a rollerbeetle. i had a top score until the last day when the frenzy of racing began for top scores. am i pissed off and demanding i get one, i could honestly care less. i have enough minipets.

If you're talking about me I think you missed my point. Perhaps I didn't make my point, err whatever.

Anyway what I was saying is maybe give a solid color roller beetle to those who played. The pig was "special" when it came out of fortunes, but they gave them away for free in the finale removing any special status it had.

Now I'm not suggesting that we destroy the acomplishment of the Top 100, but I am saying that it wouldn't hurt to give people who completed races a solid colored mini beetle. Think about it people would want to play races at least once to get a beetle, and I think it would help increase the prestige of the Lightning beetles.

Think if the Fortune Spawned pig was a mini celestial, and the free one was a normal warthog. The value for the celestial wouldn't be affected, but peopel would still be happy to have a mini pet (flesh warthog). At the same time the solid beetles don't drive up the price, or anything since they flood the market, but since you can never replace a Top 100 beetle those don't loose their prestige.

IMHO this "solution" would satisfy both parties. Getting those who feel cheated some sort of reward, and those who competed a much more prestigous reward. If you didn't beetle race at all then your SOL.

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by scyfer

Sounds like the top 100 list WON'T be redone to exclude the 40+ duplicate names on it, from what I gather over at GWO.... pretty disappointing :/ If nothing else, THAT'S definitely a reason to be annoyed at the way the event was handled/run (and was advertised as "top 100 racers" - more like top 50 <or less> accounts).

This is definitely disappointing news. I read Gaile's post over at GWO and posted a response suggesting that the top 100 board be modified so that the top 100 scoring accounts are listed. We'll have to see what happens. I certainly wish it hadn't worked out like this. I posted 4 top 100 times in the last hour and a half of the event; I never suspected I'd potentially be preventing 4 people from getting a beetle.

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Originally Posted by Aegeroth

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Over at GWO, everyone sounds pissed saying people cheated
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=442900

Ah yes! But we are Civilised!

That's no joke! People over there are slinging mud like there's no tomorrow; people here are discussing their concerns without pointing fingers at anyone and everyone. Needless to say, I prefer how we're handling it over here.

namkey · Feb 21, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Dissapointing news for sure, not just for me, as I have a dark feeling I wouldn't even make the modified top 100, but for all those so close to achieving an amazing feat but missing out due to some flaws in the top 100 scoring system. Here's hoping that A.Net find a way to rectify this situation as, at the moment, the prizes awarded do not match what was promised.

If they say that only the top 100 times get the prize, then people that had mutiple time should get multiple prizes, though this is an even more unfair situation I believe (though maybe someone who got a few migtht give me one then :P)

Dark Sentry · Feb 21, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Finally, I can reply to this thread.

I'm sorry you didnt get a beetle Namkey, but you told everyone how to beat you thus giving them your beetle. Maybe someone that prospered from your guide will give you theirs. But, doubtful.

Also, letting everyone know the skill portion of the game turns it into a game of pure luck. And, in my opinion, takes all the fun out of figuring out a new minigame for yourself. Which is why I won't share all of my tactics. I love these all of these minigames and they fact that require skill not all luck. Martin and I compared notes of the best ways to do each segment based on which powerups we had. We did not cheat as implied by previous posts. I hope the next rollerbeetle race has a completely new map so i have a new challenge of figuring it out.

Thank you to everyone that congradulated me.

Incase your were wondering, I got that top time 479,953 from box camping in the water from 38seconds till 44 seconds when i got my super rollerbeetle and echo and got a lucky 2nd superrollerbeetle in the cows. If i had a perfect run I believe I could have gotten a 486,000, but luck wouldnt have it. I learned to place a score above 472,000 with just a super and echo before 50 seconds on the 2nd day. I am just implying that anyone could place if they knew how to play the map.

/hands Beetlebomb a tissue

Martin Alvito · Feb 21, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

In reference to Namkey's guide:

Truly an example that no good deed goes unpunished. I've looked at it, and it's quite good and an impressive achievement in and of itself, as it's about 90% accurate as to the maximally efficient way to do the run. (In the event that Rollerbeetle stays precisely as is this weekend, I think I'll keep quiet on where my strategy varied in order to achieve the 477 without a lucky 3rd super.)

Have to agree with Dark that these minigames are by far the most fun when they are brand new. Figuring out how to wring out those extra bits of efficiency in order to gain an edge is, to me, the fun part. Posting the scores simply is a way of acquiring empirical evidence to determine whether or not the changes in strategy actually made a difference or not.

I'd certainly like to see more skill and less luck in the minigames, though it's an impossibly fine line to walk with these minigames. Balancing the minigames for the unanticipated (such as the necessity of boxcamping) is a complex task. While I personally would prefer to select my teams for minigames, I recognize that this would make them inaccessible to some.

namkey · Feb 21, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

I know where it's needs to be different too, its just that due to my ping, I needed every leg up at the start I could get ;P

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

It's true that namkey is likely suffering due to the quality of the guide he selflessly released during the event, and I think that's terrible. I hope no one takes this opportunity to make him feel worse by chiding him for releasing the guide; kicking someone while they're down isn't terribly impressive. I've got nothing but praise for namkey. When he released his guide I had just hit a wall in my analysis: I had figured out the core strategy and the best lines, but wasn't getting the skill activation timings down right. namkey's post opened the door for me; I was able to burst through when I pieced together the modifications needed to optimize his plan. Without him, though, it's doubtful that I'd have achieved the same level of success.

Dark, I'm glad you took the time to post here. Congratulations on your outstanding times. You obviously have a great deal of skill, which I admire. If I could make one suggestion, it would be to give a bit more consideration to "diplomacy" in the future. There's been quite a lot of acrimony over this event, with people tossing around accusations of cheating and bad sportsmanship, and at least a little of this ill will may be traced back to the name variants you used to record your top times. I think some people feel that adding "Omg" and "Ftw" is, in effect, rubbing it in. Obviously that might sour some people to you (and, by extension, other top scorers). But more to the point, the fact that you used your "Dark Sentry" name as the base for each of these variations gets people worked up because they feel that someone is "hogging" all the beetles. For the record, my feeling is that if you paid for multiple copies of the game and had the skill and luck to post multiple top scores, you've earned the right to win multiple beetles. However, it's probably better to avoid trumpeting that fact. A little overzealous pride often leads to a great deal of overzealous jealousy, and when that happens everyone on the leader board suffers.

Martin, I completely agree with you that mini-games which weigh skill over luck are preferable. Another thing I think bothered many people is that this race leaned to the luck side of the skill/luck scale. That leaves people frustrated by the perception that "bad luck" was the sole culprit when things didn't go the way they hoped. It also makes it easier for people to assume that top scorers are "manufacturing luck" by cheating. While more luck-weighted games like beetle racing are nice adds, it might be best if the big prizes were tied to the more skill-weighted games (like Snowball and Dragon Arena). Oh, and if we ever do get the opportunity to form groups for these mini-games, look me up: I'll be in the Dragon Arena.

Last thing: My guess is I'm not the only person who benefited from namkey's guide. We're still waiting to see if any changes are made to the leader board in time for some of the near misses to get a beetle. If that doesn't happen, though, would people be willing to donate a little bit of gold to namkey in recognition of his good deed? Even if you didn't benefit from his guide you may be able to appreciate someone risking a prize to help others. Personally, I'd be happy to make a donation. Anybody else?

unienaule · Feb 21, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Woo hoo! Yeah! Let's all flame each other over minipets and call everyone who got one a bunch of lying scumbag cheaters! Closed!

Hengis · Feb 21, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Dragou Du Porzan

My guess is I'm not the only person who benefited from namkey's guide. We're still waiting to see if any changes are made to the leader board in time for some of the near misses to get a beetle. If that doesn't happen, though, would people be willing to donate a little bit of gold to namkey in recognition of his good deed? Even if you didn't benefit from his guide you may be able to appreciate someone risking a prize to help others. Personally, I'd be happy to make a donation. Anybody else?

If the rankings are not revised, then definitely count me in. I didn't win a beetle, but Namkey's guide gave me the encouragement to continue trying.

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

Namkey deserves a miniature.

Does that mean you'd be willing to make a donation?

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Originally Posted by Hengis Stone

If the rankings are not revised, then definitely count me in. I didn't win a beetle, but Namkey's guide gave me the encouragement to continue trying.

Thanks for that, Hengis! How about anyone else?

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb

I don't have that kind of money.

You don't have what kind of money? No specific amount has been requested. A donation could be 10k, 1k, 100g. It could be that non-max purple axe you've got in storage that could be merch'd for 87g. I imagine you could afford that, no?

The goal here is not to collect enough money for namkey to purchase a beetle. The goal is to demonstrate that a good and selfless deed didn't go unrecognized. You don't have to be rich to get involved with that; you just have to be interested.

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

That works for me. No need to meet up immediately, though; we're going to wait and see what happens this weekend. There's still a (small) chance that the top 100 board will be modified and namkey may get his beetle. For now, knowing that you're interested in donating is good enough.

If it's okay with the mods, I'm going to take this discussion of a donation for namkey to a new thread. I think a lot of people have tuned out to this one because of the early bickering and flaming. If you prefer I not do that, just let me know.

Cador · Feb 21, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

OK Honestly from reading through all 7 pages of this now, this is complete crap. so what you all are saying is that EVERYONE who participated in the Rollerbeetle races should have a minipet. umm no, youre dead wrong. it was designed as a competitive event. so does this mean that all the guilds participating in the celestial tournament should get a cape trim? if anet did that 90% of the top pvp community wouldnt even play because there would be no point. Youre asking the same thing to be done to this little mini ladder because you werent good enough to get your prize. boo hoo.

Anyone, after the first event, could find out how to get a pig, so dont give me this bullshit that you HAD to spend all weekend farming the items. I asked around in towns to find out what was needed. since i wasnt goign to have a whole lot of time to participate in the events. i found out in 5 minutes that i had to find a district that had all the items. lucky the district i was in said that there was a guild that had all the items that was hanging out in that district and said that they would get free pigs for everyone. so i pretty much got a pig by trying to learn something... imagine that. Its amazing what a little research can do for you....

It was a players choice as to what they focused on and what they decided to do over the event. There was not anything saying that you had to race only or farm items only, the events are to be enjoyed by everyone in their own way. There was a little NPC and also anet even made a comment about giving prizes to the top 100, so therefore if you didnt compete, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: yes i did compete in the rollerbeetle races and no i didnt get a rollerbeetle. i had a top score until the last day when the frenzy of racing began for top scores. am i pissed off and demanding i get one, i could honestly care less. i have enough minipets.

/Agreed. You are telling the truth man people dont understand that its a GIFT from Anet to the top 100.

Not meant for everyone.

Diddy bow · Feb 21, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

namekys guide boosted my score by a gd 20 secs a shame he didnt get a bettle

i still really hope a-net fix the account thing though rather than having a handful of bettles that will just be sold at huge prices anyway.

Asrial · Feb 21, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I offered 50 plat to namkey but he hasn't responded to my PM yet about whether he got a beetle or not.

Dragou Du Porzan · Feb 21, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

To anyone interested in making a donation to namkey for his generous contributions, I've set up a thread here. where people can post their intent to pledge. There's no need to post a specific pledge amount; just make a post in the thread if you're serious about donating so that we have your name on record. We'll see if the top 100 ladder gets modified over the Gamer weekend so that the near-miss scores get recognized and receive beetles. If this doesn't happen, then Tuesday I'll start asking for specific pledges and you can PM me yours then. Read the details in the thread.

Asrial, ty for the gracious offer!

Keep it in mind and get a post in on the other thread so we can count you amongst the contributors.

Juguard · Feb 22, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Legeon

Here's a better shot.

Oh and I never cheated to get ranked. I got him fair-and-square. I played normally by going into the american districts and happened to get a lucky combo. I never "spike entered" if anyone was wondering.

I don't think the majority of the ladder were cheaters. It doesn't make sense to organize 6 people to spike enter go in and /resign, then wait for all of them and go in again. It's much faster to just do it yourself. That's what I did anyway...

What I dont understand, is how you get lucky and make it, and when I got lucky, got 3 rollerbeetles, and won by a mile, and didnt even break 100. I have no idea how they score it.

But people cheating, thats low.