Curse

dargon · Feb 20, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by Elbereth_Tiniquetil

Please A-Net don’t say no outright even a small reprint to get the numbers = to the other CE would help

Thanks

The numbers are already roughly the same, Factions only had a 2nd run of CE's because of a glitch in the 1st that caused a lower number than expected to be produced.

nbajammer · Feb 20, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by BladeDVD

Try contacting support. If you are willing to delete all characters on one account (or lose everything on it), I believe they can merge them. And it sounds like you would be able to do that. Good luck.

As Loviatar said, that won't do it at all. I tried every possible arguement - no go. I think you *should* be able to do it *if* you could *prove* you own the accounts. Or at least move keys around via cancel/reissue, provided it isnt excessive. I was able to prove it, and they still wouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

under some circumstances they will permalock an account and issue a new key which can be merged with an already existing account.

i have not heard of them doing it under the described conditions but sending in a support ticket asking for help could not hurt.

no guarantee but you could at least see what they say

Did that - still won't do it. But what are those circumstances where they will permalock an account and issue new keys for merging? Surely they could do that as my other account is only valuable enough to me for 2 keys - Proph pre-order and Proph CE. The other keys are also on my main account anyway. Id be willing to eat the financial loss too (not that I'd have a choice in that matter if they did do it). I haven't, however, heard of them doing it at all.

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Originally Posted by Laenavesse

I tried asking for a merge/removal of a campaign of prophecies in case i ever got the CE edition. If it worked, I was going to give my Game of the Year version to my friend who wanted to try and play Guild Wars and she wouldn't have to dig into her already low funds to try and buy it.

No go though =\ they were polite about it though

(Divine Aura should still stay with CE only :O)

But why would you remove the Prophecies Campaign in case you got the CE edition? What if you didn't? I'd at least wait until you had the CE in your hands first.

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Originally Posted by Elbereth_Tiniquetil

I would love for prophesies to have a second CE release run, I had trouble even finding copies of the normal game here in Adelaide, Australia.

I understand that people are proud of the CE and rightly so it shows that they have been supporters of the game from day one, but please understand that for some the CE was never an option – no copies stocked here.

Please A-Net don’t say no outright even a small reprint to get the numbers = to the other CE would help

Thanks

That'd be yet another viable option. But there are other people who have been supporters since day one who don't have a CE of Prophecies (for any number of possible reasons) who might want to get one (Id love to get one for my main account since mine is on my secondary, which had been my primary).

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Originally Posted by dargon

The numbers are already roughly the same, Factions only had a 2nd run of CE's because of a glitch in the 1st that caused a lower number than expected to be produced.

If the numbers were roughly the same, then why is it that the Factions and Nightfall CEs are easily available even now, whereas the Prophecies CE ran out by the time this amount of time had passed? Answer: More copies were made from the get-go.

Laenavesse · Feb 20, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

@nbajammer: I guess I assumed that people would know that i would get that FIRST before actually removing my account.

I didn't want to get the CE edition only to find out that I can't switch the keys.

In other words, I did research.

Make sense now? xD Rather common logic...

dargon · Feb 20, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

If the numbers were roughly the same, then why is it that the Factions and Nightfall CEs are easily available even now, whereas the Prophecies CE ran out by the time this amount of time had passed? Answer: More copies were made from the get-go.

Or maybe, just maybe they sold them all? As per the guildwars website,

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Press Release - September 22, 2005

NCsoft and ArenaNet's Guild Wars Surpasses One Million Units Sold in North America and Europe

That's a timeline of just over 4.5 months. The next million didn't get reached for another 9 months.

Quite a few people bought multiple copies of the original CE when it was released as they wanted more than 4 character slots to play with. Factions came out and the online store followed a little while later, no more need for multiple accounts, you can now buy character slots.

Takuna · Feb 20, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

I was going to go on a vast hunt for the CE, until I saw a near-naked necromantress using the /headbow emote... I laughed...

I seriously do not want to pee every time I bow my head.

DevilStick · Feb 20, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Hee hee. In my book that's a reason to have it.

nbajammer · Feb 20, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Laenavesse

@nbajammer: I guess I assumed that people would know that i would get that FIRST before actually removing my account.

I didn't want to get the CE edition only to find out that I can't switch the keys.

In other words, I did research.

Make sense now? xD Rather common logic...

And if you did it, then found out you couldn't get the CE edition, you'd be out. Quite a gamble had it been possible. Plus, I got the Nightfall CE first. I'm sure others did too, so it still does not make sense and is not really common logic.

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Originally Posted by dargon

That's a timeline of just over 4.5 months. The next million didn't get reached for another 9 months.

Quite a few people bought multiple copies of the original CE when it was released as they wanted more than 4 character slots to play with. Factions came out and the online store followed a little while later, no more need for multiple accounts, you can now buy character slots.

That only says 1 million copies sold. That did not say 1 million CEs sold. Plus, You are assuming everyone who bought an additional account bought a CE for it. Both of mine were created with Standard Editions. Rather presumptuous, but wrong.

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Originally Posted by Takuna

I was going to go on a vast hunt for the CE, until I saw a near-naked necromantress using the /headbow emote... I laughed...

I seriously do not want to pee every time I bow my head.

LOL Yes, some of the emotes do look rather odd with the DA.

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Originally Posted by DevilStick

Hee hee. In my book that's a reason to have it.

Ever so true, so true indeed.

Griff Mon · Feb 20, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Seems kind of odd to me. There is money to be made here. I would buy all three upgrades immediately and so would a lot of people on this board. With no monthly fee, I don't see why not.

If I were an investor in their company I would be screaming bloody murder at them because this is simply free money that they are passing on. Some really unhappy investor could sue them over it.

They probably argue that the integrity of the Collector's Edition and their user base would undermine their credibility, but I don't want all the books and cloth maps, etc. I just want the emotes, and I will pay.

Cacheelma · Feb 20, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Griff Mon

Seems kind of odd to me. There is money to be made here. I would buy all three upgrades immediately and so would a lot of people on this board. With no monthly fee, I don't see why not.

If I were an investor in their company I would be screaming bloody murder at them because this is simply free money that they are passing on. Some really unhappy investor could sue them over it.

They probably argue that the integrity of the Collector's Edition and their user base would undermine their credibility, but I don't want all the books and cloth maps, etc. I just want the emotes, and I will pay.

God forbids Anet from caring about their loyal customers (who've bought the CEs) more than their profits, or something?

Priest Of Sin · Feb 20, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

www.ebay.com

Go there, type in "Guild Wars", and pick up a CE edition. Good luck finding a decent price, though.

boxterduke · Feb 20, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Masseur

These messages come up from time to time, but I think they should sell the Prophesies CE still, even though I have several copies of Prophesies, I'd buy a couple CE editions to upgrade my versions just for the divine aura. And it's been close to 2 years, they should offer the Divine Aura for a price, but they will never do it as they have said many times in the past. So Anet proves they don't care about those that didn't/couldn't get it, but they still sell the other CE's. Oh well.

They sell other CEs because they are still available in stores.
Lets face it for Factions not too many people were pleased with it so thats why you still find some CEs in Stores.
Once they are gone then thats it, so if someone needs backup dancers for their rits and sins they have to hit ebay like people are trying now with the prophecies ce.
For nightfall, its only been out for 5-6 months and I believe that anet made a lot of CEs thats why they are still in stores.

Thats why its called collector edition. Once its done then its done.

Its not like Anet is still making faction and NF CEs

nbajammer · Feb 20, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

God forbids Anet from caring about their loyal customers (who've bought the CEs) more than their profits, or something?

So they should be forbidden from caring about their other customers? Failed logic there. Truth is, they (like any other company) are in business to make money. By shunning the larger portion of their user base to reman faithful to just the "loyal customers" (as you call them) they would be doing bad business.

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

www.ebay.com

Go there, type in "Guild Wars", and pick up a CE edition. Good luck finding a decent price, though.

1)Good luck finding any copy.

2)Managing to find one/some, good luck finding it not to be opened.

3)Managing to find an unopened one, good luck finding a decent price (which isn't happening at all).

Not the most viable option, certainly not more viable than anything suggested in this thread. Most searches don't get past step 1. Of the few that do, virtually all of them stop at step 2 (people selling their accounts).

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

For nightfall, its only been out for 5-6 months and I believe that anet made a lot of CEs thats why they are still in stores.

Thats why its called collector edition. Once its done then its done.

Its not like Anet is still making faction and NF CEs

Thats why more Prophecies CEs should be made, to equal (at least) the other two. See page 2 (I believe) for discussion on how the name implying Limited Edition is not so. It might be considered such, but even then it falls considerably short. The name does not say or mean more cannot be made. More will not be made because Anet says so, which is what we're making suggestions to have changed and with very good reasons no less. As for your last statement, no one here said they are still making Factions and NF CEs. We have said that they made MORE of them to begin with.

Knightsaber Sith · Feb 20, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Masseur

These messages come up from time to time, but I think they should sell the Prophesies CE still, even though I have several copies of Prophesies, I'd buy a couple CE editions to upgrade my versions just for the divine aura. And it's been close to 2 years, they should offer the Divine Aura for a price, but they will never do it as they have said many times in the past. So Anet proves they don't care about those that didn't/couldn't get it, but they still sell the other CE's. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Feb 11

It's not that they don't care about people that didn't get it, it's that they have a certain obligation to the people that did buy it to keep it unique. CE's aren't intended for everyone to have, Anet knows if they re-released it they'd be making total asses of themselves.

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

So they should be forbidden from caring about their other customers? Failed logic there. Truth is, they (like any other company) are in business to make money. By shunning the larger portion of their user base to reman faithful to just the "loyal customers" (as you call them) they would be doing bad business.

It's not that they don't care for their customers that didn't get it. They had the same chance as everyone to grab one, if they didn't see any reason to buy it at the time or they hadn't heard of it yet; that's not Anet's fault. It was a limited printing and anyone that didn't seize the opportunity will just have to accept that. It's not really bad business, alienating the customers that repeatedly buy the more expensive version of the game would be.

Cacheelma · Feb 20, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's not that they don't care about people that didn't get it, it's that they have a certain obligation to the people that did buy it to keep it unique. CE's aren't intended for everyone to have, Anet knows if they re-released they'd be making total asses of themselves.

QFT. That's basically what I tried to say (but my english skill is quite limited, you see.)

Loviatar · Feb 20, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

If the numbers were roughly the same, then why is it that the Factions and Nightfall CEs are easily available even now, whereas the Prophecies CE ran out by the time this amount of time had passed? Answer: More copies were made from the get-go.

just for the fun of it had you noticed that stores that used to have Factions CE in stock no longer offer it?

some still have copies for sale and some have run out as they cant reorder them

just as with the chapter one CE the chapter two CE is getting harder to get.

as for the number of accounts compared to copies sold i refer you here to show that the larger print number of additional chapters CE was distributed to a much larger ACCOUNT base.

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NCsoft Announces 2006 Second Quarter Financial Results

<SNIP>

SEOUL, South Korea, August 3, 2006—NCsoft® Corporation
Sales were boosted by the successful launch of Guild Wars Factions™, which added to the already stable sales base formed by Lineage® and Lineage II. In Q2, the Guild Wars® franchise surpassed two million account activations worldwide and became the number one game in both North America and Europe.

note account activations not copies added to existing accounts.

dargon · Feb 20, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

That only says 1 million copies sold. That did not say 1 million CEs sold. Plus, You are assuming everyone who bought an additional account bought a CE for it. Both of mine were created with Standard Editions. Rather presumptuous, but wrong.

You are right, it says copies, not copies of the CE and not everyone with multiple accounts did buy a 2nd CE, however, quite a few did. I wasn't making and presumptions, just pointing out some numbers that showed just how fast the original game sold, period.

nbajammer · Feb 20, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's not that they don't care about people that didn't get it, it's that they have a certain obligation to the people that did buy it to keep it unique. CE's aren't intended for everyone to have, Anet knows if they re-released it they'd be making total asses of themselves.

In what way? Because more people will have hands that glow? The idea is to please the customer base - and if enough people want it, they will have to seriously consider it. But their "obligation" ends at the PoP (Point Of Purchase). People bought a CE key, added it, and they received what they paid for. They are under NO obligation to limit it.

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's not that they don't care for their customers that didn't get it. They had the same chance as everyone to grab one, if they didn't see any reason to buy it at the time or they hadn't heard of it yet; that's not Anet's fault. It was a limited printing and anyone that didn't seize the opportunity will just have to accept that. It's not really bad business, alienating the customers that repeatedly buy the more expensive version of the game would be.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

QFT. That's basically what I tried to say

Of course it is. Customer base that didnt have the chance to get it > Customer base that did. Pissing off more people isn't in their best interest. That's not Anet's fault, no, but nonetheless you don't want to alienate the bigger chunk of your userbase.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

just for the fun of it had you noticed that stores that used to have Factions CE in stock no longer offer it?

some still have copies for sale and some have run out as they cant reorder them

just as with the chapter one CE the chapter two CE is getting harder to get.

as for the number of accounts compared to copies sold i refer you here to show that the larger print number of additional chapters CE was distributed to a much larger ACCOUNT base.

note account activations not copies added to existing accounts.

Guess what? Stores here still sell the Factions CE, and furthermore all 3 games use the same userbase, therefore your final point is moot. These same users will want the Prophecies CE as well and it will be up to Anet to listen to them.

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Originally Posted by dargon

just pointing out some numbers that showed just how fast the original game sold, period.

And that was also due to a smaller userbase compared to now. Back then the correllation (sp?) was tighter than it is now.

BladeDVD · Feb 20, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

1)Good luck finding any copy.

2)Managing to find one/some, good luck finding it not to be opened.

3)Managing to find an unopened one, good luck finding a decent price (which isn't happening at all).

Not the most viable option, certainly not more viable than anything suggested in this thread. Most searches don't get past step 1. Of the few that do, virtually all of them stop at step 2 (people selling their accounts).

I see sealed copies from sellers with 100% positive feedback almost every to every other week.

And as I posted before, Amazon.com's marketplace will provide you with even more peace of mind (although w/o the chance of a lower price).

And the price is now set by the market. Let's say, for argument's sake, that there aren't as many Proph. CEs as there are Factions CEs. Even if Anet makes enough P. CEs to match the number of F. CEs, there will still be a very limited supply, and the market will still be driven by demand and willingness to pay. In fact, I would bet that most copies will probably be bought up by ebayers and sold for $250 a pop until we're back where we are now and they are closer to $300/$350.

ANet has decided that there will only be so many Proph. CEs. At this point, it's either worth $300 to you or not. If not, you'll just have to move on.

Buttermilk · Feb 20, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I bought my Prophecies CE at Christmas. I found a store who had a few copies left. It was a bit easy to find, only took me a few minutes by searching Google

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Note that I live in EU, not North America. It seems pretty hard to find a copy over there, but I'm glad they remain limited editions. Otherwise there's no point in making CE's.

Cacheelma · Feb 20, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

Of course it is. Customer base that didnt have the chance to get it > Customer base that did. Pissing off more people isn't in their best interest. That's not Anet's fault, no, but nonetheless you don't want to alienate the bigger chunk of your userbase.

You know what? Just because you don't have the glowing hands now doesn't mean you NEED to have it. Let's face it, the whole thing is there just to show that you bought Prophecies CE, that you bought a CE of a game that just got released and nobody knew how good it would be. If everybody can have it now, do you seriously believe you would care about it? Instead of "Wow, you must have been with the game from the very beginning (or paid a lot in an ebay auction)", it would be "yeah yeah, you paid more than me for this game, so what? I know how to spend my money kthnx".

And please don't come out and say something that sounds like every single non-Prophecies CE account owners "want" to buy the CE now, because not ALL of them do. And since you can't really count how many people want to do that, you can't really compare here.

Trust me, even though Anet is here to make money, I believe they also CARE about their customers. Care enough to know that this whole glowing hands thing isn't something they should consider making money on.