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Commander Ryker · Feb 26, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

I'm not sure this is the right place for this, but if it isn't, I'm sure the mods will move it.

I just got done reading The Scribe and where I expected to read about all the guilds and alliances who contributed all the ingridients so everyone in the district could get the mini pig. Not one of them were mentioned. I'm really surprised by this as it affected a lot of people who probaby wouldn't have got one if it weren't for them. I think it would be nice if The Scribe were to make a special mention of them for next time and we can help. If you know of, or in one of the guilds and alliances that did this, mention them here. I believe these people should get special recognition, if not in The Scribe, then here.

Res Ipsi · Feb 26, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Funny you should mention this. I too noticed The Scribe failed to acknowledge the many guilds/alliances who took part in this initiative. I even went so far as to write a letter to him/her, requesting that in future events such actions get at least a mention. I can only assume that the omission was either an oversight, or there was some concern that mentioning only some of the guilds/alliances involved would lead to an outcry by those who failed to be mentioned. I'd be curious to see how many other guilds/alliances took part in this event, and can say that DVDF was among them.

Commander Ryker · Feb 27, 2007, 01:28 AM // 01:28

That was a really nice thing for ya'll to do. Way to make a fun day even more so.

SerenitySilverstar · Feb 27, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

And also to show that nice guys don't always win - I noticed that one of the named RAOK people in the latest Scribe was someone who was a complete ass to me and entire district during one visit.

Just goes to show what people will do when they know the Higher Ups are watching.

lyra_song · Feb 27, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

bribery maybe? ;p

Lilanthe · Feb 27, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

DVDF was the major guild/alliance to help pigless people to get them.

They deserved to be more than everybody else on that list.

Lets Get to Healing · Feb 27, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilanthe

DVDF was the major guild/alliance to help pigless people to get them.

They deserved to be more than everybody else on that list.

Sorry, but they dont!

**cosyfiep** · Feb 27, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

lots of tiny guilds helped as well-------its nice that people recognize that there are nice people in this game, but please remember that some of them are NOT in guilds either.......I for one collected all the items and used them in 4 different events......my guild is insignificant seeing as only me and my hubby are it...it would be almost impossible to thank all the people who helped out.....but here goes....thanks to ALL the people be they in one of the mentioned guilds or not who helped out with the chef event and giving away free pigs.........thanks!

Gaile Gray · Feb 27, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Hello,

I can answer the comments about why requested recognition was not posted in The Scribe.

First of all, it's important to know that all Random Acts of Kindness are witnessed by The Scribe or other staff members, and/or are subject to vigorous verification before they are posted. This serves to assure that all call-outs are fair and accurate. And while that means we're not calling out dozens or hundreds of people each week, that does assure that callouts are accurate and deserved, and it does make those callouts that much more special.

So we're not able to accept player- or guild-submitted requests for RAoK recognition. I'm sure if you consider it, you'll see that such a system would be enormous, given we have hundreds of thousands of guilds and three million accounts! So we will continue the weekly RAoK section as a means to call out a few players or guilds, as witnessed and verified, and with an eye to fairness and accuracy.

The Scribe is not published in all languages. The timeliness of the publication is assured with regional publication, and all partners receive the materials and can use them in any means that they see fit, such as a forum post, news post with bullet points, etc.

We do not have localization specialists at ArenaNet, which is where The Scribe is generated. The news scroll is published, again, with an eye to timeliness. You'll have noticed it nearly always calls out the most recent event (within a matter of a few days) and it often points to an upcoming event, as well. Each issue may provide insight or even a bit of inside info about something in the future. (This is why we make sure all regions have the info, so that if they wish to use the content—a forum post, a news post, etc.—they are free to do so.) We need each issue to be timely, so that, with regret, precludes multi-language input. Also, we do not have the means to read and respond to the individual emails in ten languages.

Posting based on emailed reports is also not our policy because we do not have the team size that will allow us to verify reports, and certainly we cannot accept and post reports without verification. If we started simply posting "This player or guild did a nice thing" based on emails, I can guarantee you we'd have inaccurate reports, improper callouts, and a massive amount of email to deal with. We don't have the staffing to deal with that number of emails, and the process is working well with the system as we have it.

Having said that, we're working on a means that will allow recognition for guilds outside of those offered, on occasion, though The Scribe. We very much want to support callouts, for they build and strengthen the community. I'll keep that on the request list, and hope to have something in place in the coming months.

And lastly, those who submitted their guild for listing in the RAoK were few in numbers and represented a microcosm of those who worked so hard to make the event a success. We're very grateful for everyone—individual or guild—who helped with the event, but in all honesty, it feels wrong to call out those who wrote to ask for the recognition and omit those who did not write. I hope you'll understand and agree with that decision.

Thanks.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 27, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Ah, well. It makes sense to me how the scribe Raok works. If you want to recognize a guild for their hard work in sponsoring a shing jea district, check here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10121576

Eviance · Feb 27, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Well whether mentioned or not I commend those who helped the pigless! You guys are a true asset to the GW community ^_^!

Res Ipsi · Feb 27, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Sorry, but they dont!

To the best of my knowledge DVDF did *not* submit a request to be recognized in RAoK. The issue is that the initiative itself (sponsored by many guilds/alliances) was not even mentioned. The fact that the community came together to ensure everyone received the pet was a nice change from what many of us witnessed during previous events. The irony is that while the negative behaviour of previous events received considerable discussion on these boards, little discussion was devoted to this positive endeavour.

Shanaeri Rynale · Feb 27, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

DVDF did'nt initiate and join in the mass in ingredients giveaway to get into the scribe/singled out by Gaile/ or any other form of recognition.

We did it simply because we saw people had a need, and we were in a position to help. Just my guild alone helped 28 districts over a 12 hour period. Thats probably 2000 people. I know of other Guilds who worked all day to get the ingredients for one district and for them, that was a huge effort and should also be commended.

We did not submit anything to to the scribe, and nor would I want to.

We did'nt do it for that. Neither I suspect did many of the another alliances that did this

The knowledge that we helped so many was it's own reward.

Now onto the scribe, I think maybe this whole operation(mine, and the other alliances that joined in and helped so many people) it was too big for the scribe to call out, so it was left out. Kinda a shame but in a way understandable. If something too big happens, best to leave it out in case it's wrong or offends someone else.

The other notable omission from that issue was GWO's second birthday party, where again the GWO guild handed out items, prizes and held contests over two days. Again I suspect that was too big a thing for the scribe to report on

I do know on occasion the scribe has mentioned people who have mailed them and said "we're doing X,Y and Z and here's who helped in it"

Am I disapointed? A little, but the knowledge that last weekend we and others did a good thing, that helped showed the game that in amoungst the whining and scamming there are groups of people from all over the world that say 'here let me help you' and expect nothing in return.

Now you can choose to believe this or not, your call; but I know that for me and my guild the heart in which we did this was good and not for self promotion.

And you know what?

It was wonderful.

Shan

Commander Ryker · Feb 27, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

And also to show that nice guys don't always win - I noticed that one of the named RAOK people in the latest Scribe was someone who was a complete ass to me and entire district during one visit.

Just goes to show what people will do when they know the Higher Ups are watching.

And exactly how would one know if the higher ups were watching?

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And lastly, those who submitted their guild for listing in the RAoK were few in numbers and represented a microcosm of those who worked so hard to make the event a success. We're very grateful for everyone—individual or guild—who helped with the event, but in all honesty, it feels wrong to call out those who wrote to ask for the recognition and omit those who did not write. I hope you'll understand and agree with that decision.

I agree that tooting your own horn should not be the only reason to be named in the RAoK and that the powers that be could not possibly know of all who helped. I just wanted a way to acknowledge those that did help and yes, I do think they deserve it more than those listed in the scribe. All of them combined helped thousands of people aquire a mini pig.

KANE OG · Feb 27, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Nice one Shan! *Applauds*

KANE

*Darcy* · Feb 27, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Considering the heat in this thread for non-recognition of good deeds, I'm surprised the thread started (and linked in Kook's post) to thank those guilds is so short.

Overall, whether through guild/alliance organization or individual effort, I would like to point out that last weekend's New Year festival was a great example of the community working together. Whether you brought your own ingredients, told others how to play (and not to waste their money buying ALL the ingredients) or were part of a group ensuring success for the district, or entertained the crowd with an Elf line dance, we had a great time and it shows.

SerenitySilverstar · Feb 28, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

And exactly how would one know if the higher ups were watching?

I've been present at Gaile Chats ingame, and I've seen people go absolutely crazy trying to get her attention, and blatantly spamming help/giveaways.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Feb 28, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Isn't the main point about doing good deeds, is the doing of good deeds? You know, being nice for the sake of niceness?

Gaile Gray · Feb 28, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

I've been present at Gaile Chats ingame, and I've seen people go absolutely crazy trying to get her attention, and blatantly spamming help/giveaways.

Players who engage in acts of generosity during one of my visits are greatly appreciated, but they do not get called out by The Scribe. Finding people involved in RAoK isn't the purpose of my visits, and believe me, if you've been there you know, I don't have time to go "Oh, lookie, that person over there offered a stack of planks to another player."

Lots of people at the visits are great. Sometimes, one or two of them may be called out for exceptional questions, courtesy, or contributions to the discussion. That's at it should be, for we won't close our eyes to acts that deserve recognition any more than we'll increase recognition for behaviors observed during visits. That is, if someone is "caught doing something good," we may call them out, but there's no guarantee that we can or will. Those who engage in flashy "good deed doing" hoping for a callout are very, very unlikely to get that callout.

Anyone who is involved in spotting RAoK deeds is a secret agent, and cannot be identified by account, character, profession, district, time of day, or any other means. We won't waltz into a district as Gaile, or The Scribe, and start taking names.

SerenitySilverstar · Feb 28, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Gaile - yes, I understand, and I wasn't trying to come across as bitter, I appreciate all you and your team do. 99.9999999% of the time I think "Woot, what nice people!" who are named in RaOK. I was just a little "how did THAT happen?!" when I saw someone who had been a completely mental moron towards me and my district during one piggy visit get named as a good-deeder.

Ick, I'm coming across as a perschnikity whiner that I try very hard to avoid being, the sign of a mature person is to drop the subject. And I shall. Rock on, m'lady

You and your team do great things to foster good community spirit.

Kuldebar - yes, that is the intention of most in life.