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Dmitry · Mar 26, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

Its because it feels like Anet is leaving us for something better, if we dont follow, we are, "out of fashion." Its like whats the use of taking over the world if there is no one in it to share it with? GW as it is a game based on cooperation and interaction between players. For all the hours played on GW 1, id like a little more than titles and my name back.

For those who are saying we play GW for fun, that is true but what makes it fun? Getting AND being at the top, which means hours of play. In PvP is your guild rank or HA rank. In PvE, its your classy armor, unique weapons and extravagant minipets. Does anyone care that you have 10000000000000000 British pounds when the currency is Aussy dollars? Am I bovvered if Ultraguy8665 has the sword of a thousand truths? No because I dont play WoW. (but I watch catherine tate.) If we stay in GW1 we become outdated monarchs ruling a deserted world, if we move on we are noobs again. If you dont mind being a noob again, thats your opinion, but I and many others feel that starting over means all our work has been in vain. I didnt spend 746 hours to give my new character a few titles and my old name.

not trying to flame dude, but 750 hours is nothing, i spent 1200 hours on my main character alone! and personally i feel really bored! there is no challenge anymore! titles?....boring Emotes?....wow u make a glowing animal...no real use....Money? jesus christ im bored already! i have enough money to buy me pretty much any weapons except for some ultra rare ones! and my characters are all tricked out! personally all i want.....is that feeling when i first stepped into GW1....

Malice Black · Mar 26, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by thelegendozelda

Hello,

I would like everyone to share how they feel about moving from GW1 to GW2, without there current characters.

Do you feel it is useless to keep going for that cetain title?
That set of FoW armor? (or other armor)

Useless to gain any more fame, glad points, anything?

Or.

Are you happy that now everyone will have a chance to "start fresh"

New titles to get (guessing)
Better pvp(guessing)
better PVE(guessing)

EDIT: AS FOXBAT STATES BELOW, this isnt a poll, or speculation thread, this is FACT from the recent PC gamer Information

Moving without my current chars - Couldn't care less, I deleted most of my chars a long time ago. I only presently have 1 lvl20 on each account. My interest dies daily these days.

Titles/Fow -GW2 is 2 years away, there is no reason in hell anyone should give up going for their current "goal"

Fame/glad points - See above

If I buy GW2 I will glady exchange all my perfect golds/ecto/fow armor for decent PvE and a fresh start.

Thats a big "if" though, 2 years is a long time, other games could get my attention by then.

The Ernada · Mar 26, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

If I buy GW2 I will glady exchange all my perfect golds/ecto/fow armor for decent PvE and a fresh start.

That's how I feel. I'd give it all up to improve the game. I sure won't miss the old stuff if I'm too busy having fun.

The Herbalizer · Mar 26, 2007, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

not trying to flame dude, but 750 hours is nothing, i spent 1200 hours on my main character alone! and personally i feel really bored! there is no challenge anymore! titles?....boring Emotes?....wow u make a glowing animal...no real use....Money? jesus christ im bored already! i have enough money to buy me pretty much any weapons except for some ultra rare ones! and my characters are all tricked out! personally all i want.....is that feeling when i first stepped into GW1....

That is what I look forward to most of all. For me what happens in Guild Wars 1 stays in Guild Wars 1.

Just realised I most probably wont be living in England by the time GW 2 is released and I have no clue on what the internet connections are like where I will be living at if they have any at all =(

Frostlight · Mar 26, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Being able to transfer characters is one of the strongest incentives for RPG players to move onto a sequel. I would buy GW2 100% guaranteed if my characters could land in GW2 naked at lvl 0, with nothing but the same name and look (provided there is reasonable lore to explain it).

By severing this continuity, the decision to buy GW2 would be judged entirely on its own merits. Anet is giving up leverage on a good portion of the existing fanbase. Starting fresh could very well mean starting fresh with some other game or pastime entirely.

Sure, there are other things that make a sequel appealing, like the storyline and game mechanics. Except the story was never GW's strong point by far, and what information we have on the future game mechanics don't seem exciting enough to abandon my chars.

GWEN on the other hand is something I very much look forward to. If only there are more such expansions after that.

Hyprodimus Prime · Mar 26, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by FireFox

you know the servers are staying up right?

Yes, but as I said those how still play GW1 are left out.

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personally all i want.....is that feeling when i first stepped into GW1....

Alright then, make a new character. Its not like those who want char transferability wants forced transfer. In all campaigns can you not use a new slot? We just want the chance to bring our old friends into the new world. Most of the suggestions stated that ive read of do not compromise game play.

ie. if you bring a lv 20 into a lv 100+ game, thats not much of a difference that skipping shing jea if you come from tyria. I think anyone can get to 20 within a day. If it isnt on the same scale, then change it to 10 or something.

ie2. money, as it is, wont make a diff in the new game either. Having 1 000 000k wont get you better armor or weapons. Skill is what matters. thats what sets GW apart from the others. Its not who has the most healing potions to win a war of attrition or who can afford the best runes.

The Herbalizer · Mar 26, 2007, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

Yes, but as I said those how still play GW1 are left out.

Alright then, make a new character. Its not like those who want char transferability wants forced transfer. In all campaigns can you not use a new slot? We just want the chance to bring our old friends into the new world. Most of the suggestions stated that ive read of do not compromise game play.

ie. if you bring a lv 20 into a lv 100+ game, thats not much of a difference that skipping shing jea if you come from tyria. I think anyone can get to 20 within a day. If it isnt on the same scale, then change it to 10 or something.

ie2. money, as it is, wont make a diff in the new game either. Having 1 000 000k wont get you better armor or weapons. Skill is what matters. thats what sets GW apart from the others. Its not who has the most healing potions to win a war of attrition or who can afford the best runes.

You missed Dmitry's point completely. There is a big difference between starting a new game with nothing and making a new character with nothing. Less excitement, less magic, less sense of adventure ect.

Games arnt so fun when you start off with so much gold you can buy alot of nice items early on. This should be clear to anyone know has played games and cheated to get money earlier than they should be getting it.

You are lucky Anet are even allowing you to carry across titles as GW2 is a new game and it is set many years on from GW1.

VGJustice · Mar 26, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I've spent a huge amount of time with my character of choice. Nearly a thousand hours with one character, nearly all PvE. I've done a lot of things with that character, and he's special to me in a lot of ways.

That being said, I couldn't care less if I can't use him in GW2 (should I purchase that game, since I'm still not 100% sold on it). To me, it's a new game. And, with a new game, I'm going to need a new character. Sure, I've worked long and hard to get my guy to where he is now (all Ranger and Warrior skills unlocked anyone?), but I'll only miss him a little since I'd have a whole new game to play with. Heck, having a monument to his glory would be more than enough for me!

And for the curious, yeah I've done this a few times with a lot of games. You spend so much time with a character and then you get that new game and you can't use that character anymore, or you have to complete the game first so that it doesn't matter if you do. But, for me at least, the character is only a means to the greater goal: the game itself. If I wanted to RP a character like that, I've still got all my pen and paper books handy and an RP IRC channel is just handy for that sort of thing. No, my character's time is done. Time for a new guy to fill his shoes.

Traveller · Mar 26, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

I don't see my current accomplishments as "lost" even though I will probably be playing GW2 as soon as it gets out. It's more than likely about 2 years away and I haven't even played that long to begin with, and I've accomplished so much already - fancy armors, great weapons and lots of intangible benefits, like fun times and memories questing and hanging out with my friends. I disagree strongly that only thing that is worth taking with me is that fancy armor or just a title.

Heck, if you're sold solely on the look your favourite character has, or even a name, who'se to say you can't recreate it? Maybe A-Net listens to fanbase once again and makes character creation much more varied and even adds that hair stylist from the get-go..

I personally can't wait for the sense of a new game, completely new world and environment, game mechanics and just a fresh start. That feeling of unknown is so precious and you can't experience it more than once. GW1 expansions (or stand-alones) don't feel that fresh anymore, since the premise is the same, even though mechanics are tweaked.

Hell, it even works perfectly in RP sense as well, since you can continue to play as your current characters' great-great-grandchild, as an heir to their legacy...

Hyprodimus Prime · Mar 26, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

You missed Dmitry's point completely. There is a big difference between starting a new game with nothing and making a new character with nothing. Less excitement, less magic, less sense of adventure ect.

Games arnt so fun when you start off with so much gold you can buy alot of nice items early on. This should be clear to anyone know has played games and cheated to get money earlier than they should be getting it.

You are lucky Anet are even allowing you to carry across titles as GW2 is a new game and it is set many years on from GW1.

And you missed my point completely, starting fresh is your choice. What if I dont want that, "magic, sense of adventure ect?" Its about choice.

As GW is (player-skill based style), money wont have much of a difference anyway. Getting money in GW took a long time, getting in the new game will too. Doesnt matter where you get it it takes work.
Saying we are luck they are giving us the titles doesn't carry any weight. I can say we are lucky they made a lv 20 cap, or the HoH or 8 skill bar or even the game at all!

VGJustice · Mar 26, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Hyprodimus Prime

Saying we are luck they are giving us the titles doesn't carry any weight. I can say we are lucky they made a lv 20 cap, or the HoH or 8 skill bar or even the game at all!

I feel pretty lucky they made the game. I've had a lot of fun for almost two years straight.

Consider this: What do your accomplishments mean? Really? What does the title say about you? What does it mean to have enough virtual money to buy any virtual item you want? If you don't put forth the effort to actually obtain these things, then they don't really mean a whole heck of a lot.

And before you jump on me, yes I understand that you've already put forth effort to obtain said items and gold in the current game. But I would like to point out that GW2 is not the current game. It's something entirely new, not a new chapter, not an expansion. I have to ask why you would want your items and gold to travel over to this new game. Is it so you can complete the story faster? That only robs you of the experience of the story (and believe me, I know a lot about that). Is it because the items themselves have a special significance to you? If that's the case, then consider why those items hold that significance. Maybe it was what it took to obtain them, or perhaps there is a story tied to them. If so, that's good. But it doesn't mean that you should carry them on to a character that they would have no meaning for.

I have to wonder why you don't want the so-called "Magic sense of adventure" in a game that's pretty obviously adventure based. It makes me wonder why you would continue to play the game. And you are correct, it is a game play choice. But, it's not our choice. If the developers do not want us to use existing characters in GW2, then there really isn't very much that can be done about that.

And just on a side note, a lot of what you're talking about sounds to me like instant gratification. Get the prize now, no waiting needed. Trouble with that logic is that the prize doesn't mean anything if you don't do something for it. It's not the destination, but the journey that matters.

Fluffyx · Mar 26, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Sorry to say that I won't be buying GW2, not because I think it will turn out to be a flop but more because of all the time I put into Guild Wars itself. As of late I have started playing other MMOs because of the lack of community in this game. I find it more enjoyable to play with people than AI as I'm sure much of you others do. I feel that they are taking a step forward with certain things they plan on doing. Though taking out instances and having a higher level cap is going to take out two of guild wars most important characteristics. Honestly the only reason I stuck to Guild Wars was because of how finely balanced it was and also the level cap keeping people all within the same range.

IMO not being able to continue our previous characters is just icing on the cake why some people may not buy the game. For others of us its going to be the change in the games mechanics. Either way I don't think GW2 will have the magic of Guild Wars but who knows maybe they can pull it off again.

Anarkii · Mar 26, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Fluffyx

because of the lack of community in this game. I find it more enjoyable to play with people than AI as I'm sure much of you others do.

Guild Wars PvE is basically, a single-player RPG with an 'online' trade center. You need a much stronger, immersive and (atleast some) non-instanced questing and gameplay for a decent community to develop. More attention on PvE in Guild Wars 2 can only be a step towards fixing this. And you need to get rid of heroes/henchmen.

Fluffyx · Mar 26, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

Guild Wars PvE is basically, a single-player RPG with an 'online' trade center. You need a much stronger, immersive and (atleast some) non-instanced questing and gameplay for a decent community to develop. More attention on PvE in Guild Wars 2 can only be a step towards fixing this. And you need to get rid of heroes/henchmen.

This is YOUR opinion not a truth. It is a shame thats how the game feels to us now. I remember when 90% of the groups forming were pugs the game was most certainly not solo friendly until we got heroes. As someone who has played many MMOs including some of the bigger tittles such as WoW or L2 I can tell you that being instanced or not won't affect questing, either you're LFG in general outside town or LFG in town by using local. The point is the outcome is the same you get people to join up with you. The difference with guild wars is that even though its team based you have other options besides human players which is what kills the community. I do not believe they're going to fix a franchise by completely changing it into something else.

Anarkii · Mar 26, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Err yeah, I meant the state of the game right now, not earlier. I've been playing since release, and earlier, 'soloing' missions and many quests wasn't even conceivable.
And instancing doesn't affect questing - but it affects the community(in my opinion). People know each other better in an open world, whereas here you can only get to know people who instance with.
But anyway, everyone has their likes/dislikes about the current state of the game. We can only wait and see what ANet has in store for us regarding these.

Dfx Gladiator · Mar 26, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

My opinion is: nothing should be transfered between the two games.

They are two completely different games, and Anet already said they would dedicate an entire team to stay on GW1 and that things would remain the same and would not beforgotten (updates, etc...). So I prefer to have my fully upgraded characters in a game to where I can always comeback and play whenever I want, than transfering them to a completely new game and spoil the sense of "first step on the moon".

If you were able to acomplish your magnificent titles/armors/weapons/ in GW1, then why can't you do it on GW2 also?

Are you scared that somebody will make it before? Or do you want to have no work and just sit there, in a fresh new game with tons of new armors/weapons/titles, showing your good old l33t weapons that, honestly, noone will care about?

I think we must separate things, completely.

Oh and someone talked about re-exploring ascalon and tyria and whatever, but GW2 is going to happen in a brand new continent like Gaile said, making reference to the world map behind the "Guild Wars 2" in the PC Gamer front page.

Dfx

Enchanted Warrior · Mar 26, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

I wish they'd make gw1 pve only and make gw2 pvp only. I'd be happy as hell to be honest. Why, less stupid nerfs of pve skills because lil tommy toon can't beat the players that live in game 24/7/365.

Domino · Mar 26, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

I am happy. I plan to sell off all my Assassin's crap - and his green daggers and armor will be offered to the spirits of the FALLS to appease my Sylvari bretheren and prepare my transition into the new realm. I'm just going to throw all my crap into the lake.

Here's where I'll probably make my offering (just in case you give a ****) since this part of the jungle is my all-time favorite.

I'll probably get my character some starter armor and leave him around so he can chat with the people on my friends list that will no doubt refuse to get GW2.... but for the most part, I'm ready to move on to something more interesting.

I would throw away my characters in a heartbeat, even though I've put almost 2000 hours into them. I realize this is a game, and I see the time I put into them as time well spent. I don't need pixels on a screen to know that I had a good time. I wouldn't hesitate to start over again, and get that rush that I had when I first played Guild Wars.

Mordakai · Mar 26, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I'll say one thing: Now I know that Titles are the one sure thing we're getting, I'm making a real effort to actually try and get some before GW:EN comes out.

Besides that, I really can't wait for GW2. I want to play a Norn now - can't wait for the Beta!

clawofcrimson · Mar 26, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

listen to the GW2 preacher!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...17212869715744

transfering your character over? in terms of what?

skills gained? - the skills in GW2 may be (probably are) totally different... not to mention the classes will probably be different as well... I doubt that they will start out with dervish and paragons as playable races.... but if you as a core profession get to transfer your character and I dont....that isnt fair...so that does not make much sense.

level attained? - the level cap will be different anyway..so you want them to bump you up to lvl 100? or maybe give you a head start at levl 20? with the first point in mind....that does not make much sense.

equipment claimed? - we may be able to do this but are uncertain to the details.... obviously most of the equipment cannot transfer as the armour/weapon/currency system will likely change.

titles sustained? - we have already learned that your name and titles will most likely be able to transfer. so QQing about transfering things such as these does not make much sense.

dont be afraid of change my friends, for it is a part of life. And learning to adapt will grant you the will to survive.

/end sermon