Originally Posted by GloryFox

At least on the Mesmer side of things it appears once again some un original thinking. Izzy must be overworked (poor Izzy we blame him for everything) because nothing seems original or new. None of the new Mesmer skills listed are AOE and that only hurts the Mesmer more on the PvE side of things and that is one thing surly lacking for the class. I would love to see some mass AOE skills like what Necromancers have in Curses. Maybe some mass Illusion spells or mass Domination spells. Domination does not always have to be skill interrupts.

For example ...

Slow to Start (Domination ELITE)
E 15 C 1 R 45
Target Foe and nearby Foes are Hexed with Slow to Start. Target foes are crippled for 3-10 seconds or until Slow to Start ends. Slow to Start is reapplied every time the target stops moving.

Mass Hysteria (Illusion ELITE)
E 25 C 1 R 30
Target Foe and adjacent Foes suffer 3-6 pips of degeneration for 6-18 seconds while moving or attacking. If anyone hexed with Mass Hysteria stops moving or attacking they suffer a deep wound for 6-18 seconds or until Mass Hysteria ends. When Mass Hysteria ends thoes affected by Mass Hysteria lose all conditions.

The above would be a some great examples of an Illusion and Domination Elites instead of the standered one shot target attacks.

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Mass Hexing = Necro's Job
AoE damage = Elementalist's Job

Mesmer *can* do both of that, but don't expect it to be the best (or very good) at them.

And how dare you started your reply with "this is so unoriginal" when you suggest turning a class into another class?

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Mass Hexing = Necro's Job
AoE damage = Elementalist's Job

Mesmer *can* do both of that, but don't expect it to be the best (or very good) at them.

And how dare you started your reply with "this is so unoriginal" when you suggest turning a class into another class?

Originally Posted by Firestone

that would be like saying ritualist's job is to raise spirits, and leave healing to monks and dmg to air ele.

seriously... i feel that mesmer should have more aoe hex / dmg too... like
energy surge, hex eater vortex, panic, fevered dreams etc

Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Then please explain the ritualist profession, they can heal better than a heal monk, and they can do more spike damage than an ele. If ANET had your thinking, one of the most versatile classes in the game would have never been thought up, or have been severely gimped by limiting them to raising spirits.

Please look at the skills of other professions, you will find out that the ele is NOT the only one with aoe skills, it is people thinking like you that some classes are simply not wanted because they think that only 1 class can do a certain job.

Originally Posted by GloryFox

Actually the Mesmer has a few AoE spells but they are few and far between. The AoE spells they do have are not in the league of an Elementalist. Most domination spells are simple energy to damage counters. There is more to domination then countering skills and spells.

As for the Illusion part I can't recall very many AoE Illusions outside of Fevered Dreams. Most Illusions are single target spells and there are better options for Mass degen then most Illusion spells out there. Degen is a fundamental part of Illusion spell magic.

For example:
Rotting Flesh (Necromancer Death Magic)
E 15 A 3 R 3
Spell. Target fleshy creature becomes Diseased (-4 pips of degen spreadable) for 10...22 seconds and slowly loses Health.

This is a great example of a mass degen spell. Yes there are plenty of counters to conditions but its still 4 pips of degen spread able vs. the standard Mesmer Degen spell of

Conjure Phantasm (Mesmer Illusion Magic)
E 15 A 1 R 5
Hex Spell. For 2...12 seconds, target foe experiences -5 Health degeneration.

In a PvE group what would you go with? Quite simply there are few good Mesmer AoE spells that make the class desirable in PvE. A Necro can do the same things a Mesmer can (degen, punish player actions, etc.) except interrupt, and a Necro can do (degen, punish player actions, etc.) better.

I did not mean for this to turn into a Buff the Mesmer page but please ANET you can do better than what you have listed so far for the last and final Mesmer skills for GW1. After these skills go out there will be no more skills for the Mesmer class, please please please make it count this time.

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Which part of "Mesmer *can* do both of that" you two don't understand?

I never say any other classes shouldn't *be able to* do those stuff. What I tried to say is it's expected, game mechanic-wise, that mesmer shouldn't be too good at mass hexing or AoE damage.

A Ritualist *can* be a better healer than monk IF (and a big one at that) the conditions of their healing skills are met. Divine Favor alone makes the monk a lot better healer than any other class, if not the best.

I've never said anything about spiking. I think I specifically said *AoE*, no?

Your Rt may be a better healer than my monk, but that would be because I suck at playing monk, and you're good at playing your Rt, that's all.

Originally Posted by Firestone

Looking at the data, I think it's hard to argue that monk heals more. But the difference is that you will be basically be maxing out 2 of monk's attributes + using 2 superior runes to get the same heal power as a ritualist.

A ritualist can get away with the same heal power by maxing out 1 attribute + using 1 superior rune. Effectively, he can use the remaining attributes for other things.

Lots of skills have conditions to be met. Eg. Word of Healing, which incidentally have the highest heal power in monk's skills. Gift of Health is another example. In order to get a high healing skill with no conditions to be met, 10e is needed to be sacrificed. Other skills with no conditions to be met have a Target Other Ally instead.