Curse

Dark Kal · Apr 11, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

Ok..what then is the definition of rare? I mean, I take it as meaning that it will not drop as often as other items. So then I assume (and yes I know that assume=ass*u*me) that if the item has a lower chance of dropping that it will, in essence, be much better than those that do drop frequently; even better than greens.

They changed the gold items (several months back) so that they are the only items that can have perfect mods on them, I believe, (i.e. you can only get a vamperic mod from a gold item now). Don't see much point in purple weapons, they're basicaly just as crappy as the blue items.

The main reason people are telling the OP to get over it is because they probably won't change it anyhow. I'd like gold items to all be perfect but I don't have much problems as they are either.

Corinthian · Apr 11, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Anyone else sick and tired of Jeweled Chalices and other mesmer items? 90% of ALL MY GOLD ITEMS EVER HAVE BEEN JEWELED CHALICES OR OTHER MESMERS ITEMS.

It's ticking me off!!!

Darksun · Apr 11, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by fb2000

those are indeed purple ;P

sorry, couldnt help myself ;D. 13% can only drop as purples tho. 14% and 15% are the golds

That's true. His item was an accurate example.

Requirements seem to have no place in rarity. With the recent changes to weakness that makes very little sense. In fact, I've seen more re13 on Golds than Purples.

The whole color system seems to have a invisible extra layer above gold, Where everything really is rare.
There is nothing "rare" about Highly Salvageable, having no mods and a requirement of 13. I understand that many ppl want 15^50 so it's hard to define that as rare (since it's based on demand).

This is a bit off topic, But If that's the case then shouldn't they be balancing the mods? I mean, will 20% while hexed really be equal to 15^50. Instead of one just being better than the other, it should just be different. If an enemy had +33% while hexed, then It would actually be something to worry about.

At any rate, unless they add another level of rare, the Gold level has a very wide spectrum.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

They changed the gold items (several months back) so that they are the only items that can have perfect mods on them, I believe, (i.e. you can only get a vamperic mod from a gold item now). Don't see much point in purple weapons, they're basicaly just as crappy as the blue items.

Not true. As a matter of fact, you can get a Gold Item with NO mods & only 1 upgrade. I just got a Gold Crippling Platinum bow Dragon Slaying. Thats 2 Upgrades & no Mod. And as fb2000 pointed out Gold Upgrades can be 14%-15% or +29-30hp etc.. Gold items don't have to have perfect anything.

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Anyone else sick and tired of Jeweled Chalices and other mesmer items?

I've noticed that a majority of the items that come from chests are Mesmer (this is me & a buddy of mine). Perhaps they are doing it since so few people are Mesmers, that way they technically give you a Gold, but it's not worth much to anyone. It's a bit annoying.

Y.T. · Apr 11, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

for some reason tyrian highly salvageable items almost always give u 5-8 steel or crapload of wood (once i got like 130+ wood off 1 item lol) but inscribable elonian items with measure for measure inscr mostly give u regular crafting materials, i'm not sure why it happens but...

i agree with OP it dosnt make sence to spend 1,5k on the key (well i'm not complaining on key prices i'm just trying to do the math correctly) to get high-req item with only 1 mod or inscription. its impossible to sell high-req item unless the skin is rly rare, there is no useful mods on it, so... however if u can spens some gold on keys and open not 1 chest but alot of them there is a chance to get a nice mod and mb some useful item.

it makes me wonder what anet reasoning was when they gave lvl24+ mobs in DoA non-max blue and white items.... just like smites most of DoA mobs are rly poor and drop junk that dosnt worth salvaging, its amusing

and the golds/purples they drop usually have only 1 mod, in most cases its not maxed

Onarik Amrak · Apr 12, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Anyone else sick and tired of Jeweled Chalices and other mesmer items? 90% of ALL MY GOLD ITEMS EVER HAVE BEEN JEWELED CHALICES OR OTHER MESMERS ITEMS.

It's ticking me off!!!

I'll totally agree, it's freaking ridiculous the amount of staves, wands and focii I get from chests and what not. I wish they'd change the rates at which they drop to give more martial weapons and shields cause I'm sick of getting r11-13 mesmer wands and focii in either fast casting or inspiration.

seut · Apr 12, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Don't see much point in purple weapons, they're basicaly just as crappy as the blue items.

Yep, purple & blue are crap

HawkofStorms · Apr 12, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I do think this ticks me and a lot of other people off. It just feels like you are getting hosed when a chest/buried treasure/or random monster drops a gold and it ends up being "improved sale value."

I MP I · Apr 12, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

I can't tell if this thread is a suggestion or a rant.... So here goes: The highly salvageable inscription isn't that bad of a mod really. Have you ever had the joy of applying it to a diamond aegis, salvaging it and getting 3 diamonds? Or ruby mauls/daggers/jeweled daggers and get several rubies/sapphires? "Measure for measure" inscriptions are one of the more useful mods imo. I will agree however that improved sale value is useless unless it's on a blue/purple item.

KerwynNasilan · Apr 12, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Gold doesnt mean perticully rare. I found a purple max sword with perfect strengh and honor and sundering, a purple 15^20. sold for 40k.

Helcaraxe · Apr 12, 2007, 03:26 AM // 03:26

I also would much rather have golds drop less often and have them be slightly better.

I also think that it is inexcusable to have areas like FoW and UW dropping non-max crap. I mean... you have to pay 1k just to get your foot in the door, AND you need to buy the key to open the chest. Assuming you are smart enough to actually make it to the chest. And when you open it, you cheer because out pops a gold. but then you look at it...

Shadow Shield (Req. 13 Strength)
Fire Magic +1 (12% chance)
+38 health while hexed.

woot....

btw... I have NEVER.... EVER..... on any of my characters got a gold drop that was actually worth something.

ScorpiusX · Apr 12, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Guild Wars has Gold items????? The way my drops have been for the last 3 months you wouldn't believe that to be the case (and I haven't been farming in that time except for Sunspear and Lightbringer points), in fact it would be fair to say that if it wasn't for the money from the treasures then I would be totally skint. The last 6 treasure I've opened were purple bleedin items. You got a gold be happy with that. Just cos its garbage doesn't mean the next one will be (I keep telling myself this btw so I know it doesn't make it feel any better). And I haven't had a Green in 6-7 months (other than crappy starter ones, which I give away).

ScorpiusX

Bale_Shadowscar · Apr 12, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Think about this: If you're suggesting that ANet should remove 'crappy' gold items, then the only type of gold item will be one with good mods, and therefore good gold weapons will be much more common.

If you have a selection of smarties and some are good and some are bad, and you remove the bad ones, you'll be left with the good ones. By removing the crappy golds, you've just ensured that these now 'rare' items will become much more common.

cthulhu reborn · Apr 12, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

As always there's rare and rare but difference in rarity between golds is not my biggest issue. Mine is the fact that gold items have nothing on blue or purple items (anymore). Just found a Vabbi defender in blue armour 16, req 9, inscribable...A gold one will not be better. My point? What is the point in colour differences (blue, purple, gold) if there is no factual difference? It's simply an economy scam. If you have a skin..let's say the aureate aegis with the exact same stats, whether it is blue, purple or gold makes absolutely no difference except in price...

Why?

''Because it's a gold...''

So you ask, what makes it better than others?

''Well, it's gold...''

This reminds me of a joke (funny or not it will illustrate the point).

Question to a bunch of drunken wannabee hunters: So what's the difference between a bad and a good hunter?
Answer: Well, a bad hunter is a guy who has a gun and as soon as he sees anything that moves he shoots.
A good hunter is a guy who has a gun and as soon as he sees anything that moves he shoots...but he's a good hunter.

Gold is good...go for the shiny stuff, we are cavemen again....

ryanryanryan0310 · Apr 12, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I bet thread will be closed as just guna be flame war.

Gas prices are currently too high for flame war.....

Gold items will always have the meaning of rare in GW. It doesn't mean it's a good item(stats/skin), it just means it comes in the form of a rare/gold item.

Jongo River · Apr 12, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

The form being the label and nothing else, the majority of the time.

Personally, I think gold weapons should always have a skin not available in any other colour or (at least) be guaranteed max damage and Req 9 - there is no worthwhile reason to have colour coding as things stand.

My cherished possession from Factions (other than a pair of Dragon Scythe daggers) was a gold Bramble Shortbow. It wasn't even max, but it was lovely and the only one I found. Until NF. The bramble skin drops all over the newbie island - in white. Same thing later on - funky looking swords like the Desolation skins should be reserved for gold. Then gold would actually mean something. Yet they're not - they drop white, blue, purple... so if you ever get a gold one, chances are it'll be inferior to a "lesser" version you already have. It's a terrible system.

Sophitia Leafblade · Apr 12, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Although i have insanely terrible luck when it comes to drops on (like never having found a sup absorption or even a max stat weopon or a rare skin) Personally i dont have a problem with the way things are now, its far better than it used to be, atleast attributes on item match now compared to the old days of getting a 11-22 Divine Staff (Req 10 divine) +1 Soul Reaping (18%) HCT 17% Earth and +3 energy

Dark Kal · Apr 12, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Not true. As a matter of fact, you can get a Gold Item with NO mods & only 1 upgrade. I just got a Gold Crippling Platinum bow Dragon Slaying. Thats 2 Upgrades & no Mod. And as fb2000 pointed out Gold Upgrades can be 14%-15% or +29-30hp etc.. Gold items don't have to have perfect anything.

No, I'm pretty sure it is true that gold items have the best mods on them, I think they are the only that CAN (learn to read) have max mods on them, of course you can find a gold item with only upgrades on, that wasn't my point. My point was blue and purple items NEVER have max mods on them anymore ever since an update months ago.

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Originally Posted by seut

Yep, purple & blue are crap

And how many of those mods/inscriptions exactly came with those item? Other than their requirements they are crap. Also I said purple items are just as crappy as blue items which you have effectively proven for me with you picture, thank you :-)

cthulhu reborn · Apr 12, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Although i have insanely terrible luck when it comes to drops on (like never having found a sup absorption or even a max stat weopon or a rare skin) Personally i dont have a problem with the way things are now, its far better than it used to be, atleast attributes on item match now compared to the old days of getting a 11-22 Divine Staff (Req 10 divine) +1 Soul Reaping (18%) HCT 17% Earth and +3 energy

Those were funny items back then...and completely useless...lol.

Though I agree that the weapon modification side of things has improved much there still is not point to the different colours (blue purple gold) that exist. White is crap and can be sold instantly. Green is unique and perfect but unchangeable and everything in between, namely the blue purple and gold are now exactly the same. Perhaps with each colour there is a different percentage chance of being a perfect base or having mods but I don't really think so. Even if blues have less perfect bases, their frequency will make up for that. And it is often still cheaper to mod a blue item than to buy a gold base without mods, let alone with...so go figure

LONGA · Apr 12, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

There's few exception in weapons color. Such as ancient scythe and Elonian dagger.I found those weapon skin have different look for gold/purple items.
For other weapon. Same comment as the others just look at the stats.

Skyy High · Apr 12, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

So...rip the darn mod off, and mod the wand yourself?