Curse

Miss Eisei · Apr 20, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

I love the whole update, Kudos

As far as loot goes, ill have to see after playing a while
But as far as solodrops?!, i dont care at all

Ive always loved playing in groups, specially as a monk, its a challenge and i have more fun
I play GW cause its fun, not to sit around and solo my characters

Love this update, it made everything alot more fun, and i finally feel like i got some rewards for my work

<3 Anet

All my personal opinion so no need to cry or flame me for not liking solo

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

You're logic is flawed because you are assuming they are killing the same mobs.

Previously Bot a killed mob a, mob b and mob c etc

Now Bot a kills mob 1 while bot b is killing mob b and bot c is killin mobc etc

They are getting 1/8 drops but killing 8 times faster.

And your logic is completely flawed because you assume that the map is completely open and that all the mobs are equal distance from the entry point. There WILL be overlaps because some maps are blocked off by mobs. So to get to the other mobs you HAVE to clear the ones already in the path first.

Your assumption that dividing the time a solo farmer can solo an area by 8 just because there is an 8 man team is completely flawed. Try again.

cellardweller · Apr 20, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

And your logic is completely flawed because you assume that the map is completely open and that all the mobs are equal distance from the entry point. There WILL be overlaps because some maps are blocked off by mobs. So to get to the other mobs you HAVE to clear the ones already in the path first.

Your assumption that dividing the time a solo farmer can solo an area by 8 just because there is an 8 man team is completely flawed. Try again.

Go walk outside the altrum ruins.

Abarra · Apr 20, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Point is when you have played the game several times, you want more, like nice armor or weapons or there's nothing to do and you quit. You don't make enough money playing the game for the armor so you need to make money somehow. Best way is to farm.

Now you can't

People will lose interest and dift away. Their client base will be a lot smaller come GW2 if they don't reverse this.

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Go walk outside the altrum ruins.

And Altrum ruins is the only place that is farmed?

Metalmaster · Apr 20, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Some statistic for u, guys. Just finished my test smites run (using W/Rt, /bow to Witte

).

1) Run is much faster cause they don't run from VwK at all (Normal Mode ofc)
2) Drops r rly bad. All smite farmers know that usual profit from standart run is about 3,5-4k (-1k for entering fee) and lucky ecto(s), black dye, gem(s) and so on. I got 1.400 after selling all my loot

400 gold profit? yeah i like it
3) Tbh i got 2 ectos. I know i'm lucky

But i'm not going to do it anymore.

I don't rly care in general. My chars hv 15k armors, their heroes r fully equipped and my beloved necro has FoW armor. But i'm feeling sry for new players...

cellardweller · Apr 20, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

And Altrum ruins is the only place that is farmed?

Its one of the most heavily botted places around.

ShadowStorm · Apr 20, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Even after this, I'm still going to solo farm new areas with my Warrior, just to show myself that I can.

Abarra · Apr 20, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

also if you have nighfall you need to equip all your heroes for each character, that's weapons and runes just as basic... Where will you get the cash, you certainly don't get enough playign the game with no farming at all

Sea Edge · Apr 20, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:

-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.

-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.

-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.

So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.

Less farming means less items are available while the demand is the same, so prices will skyrocket and the average Joe can't afford to buy anything.

BTW solo ecto farmers. If you were lucky you got 1 ecto/run on average, now divide that by 8 and watch the prices. WTS ecto 50k/each. /sarcasm

Sk8tborderx · Apr 20, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Sea Edge

Less farming means less items are available while the demand is the same, so prices will skyrocket and the average Joe can't afford to buy anything.

BTW solo ecto farmers. If you were lucky you got 1 ecto/run on average, now divide that by 8 and watch the prices. WTS ecto 50k/each. /sarcasm

Now, the most efficient way to farm UW would be a splinter/barrage team, they can clear UW including quests in about 2 hrs.

The best option for warriors would be to go in an IWAY group in UW/FoW, that takes about 2 1/2 hours to clear each area, including quests.

The Ernada · Apr 20, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Its one of the most heavily botted places around.

I just checked that area out. You can not get 8 separate mobs without overlap. Plus while the map is pretty open it's not completely open enough without having to clear a mob or two to be able to have 8 separate soloers. Plus the overlap in distances makes the 8 man botter a lot less efficient than the solo botter before.

Abarra · Apr 20, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Well done to Anet for turning their game into a one or two time playthrough RPG. Might as well bring it out on PS2 now they'll need to increase their sales somehow if they don't fix this and lose all their paying customers for future releases.

SpriteSODA · Apr 20, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

when will the new pve mesmer skills will be introduced?

mighty xxl · Apr 20, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Metalmaster

I don't rly care in general. My chars hv 15k armors, their heroes r fully equipped and my beloved necro has FoW armor. But i'm feeling sry for new players...

I saw a few ppl saying they are sorry for the new players.... Why? They are new, they don't have many skills unlocked, they have no idea about "farming". They will just play the game, do missions with full parties and get money the old fashioned way. No need to feel sorry for them. It's just the other way around, i envy them

And all the other ppl bitchin about solo nerf... u make me laugh. For real. I've been farming solo for a long time now. I enjoyed it. No question about it. But after doing that for so long got me so bored... that i wanted to quit GW. But NO, i discover PvP. Then got into a guild with TS (Vent). When we weren't enough ppl to do some HA, GvG we went doing missions, farm, together. And let me tell you, it's a lot more fun. Solo-ing gets so boring after a while... So u have money, so u have FoW armors, so u have Treasure Hunter lvl 6. I bet that when u see a R2 Champion or a R9 tiger u are jealous...

And for all the ppl that will flame me... i enjoy PvE a lot. Solo farming, yes, a lot. Proof to that are my 2 accounts, 2 FoW armors, all PvE characters (i have all proffesions, all lvl 20) with at least one 15k armor. And i still want more... But i will not start bitching about solo farming. This game has a lot more than solo farming. There are many other ways to make money. You just need to discover them, not go spamming in ToA "Famine ranger looking for monk duo UW 50/50 ectos"

I think it's time for all you solo farmers to discover Guild Wars.
Have Fun!

manitoba1073 · Apr 20, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Shaolin_Steve

No they got 1/8 before (if they were in a full group) and they get 1/8 now (whether the group is 1 or 8 it doesn't matter, your personal rate is the same).

The rate is the same as before, but they will do slightly better in hard mode since the chance of rares has been boosted slightly.

that is pretty much what i said. lol as long as that area is for a 8 man group.

Abarra · Apr 20, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Yes Mighty xxl but you had the farming, you got the armors now you can pvp. Others won't have the skills unlocked, won't have the armors and wont have the same opportunities you had. So stop being so selfish.

shadows of hob · Apr 20, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Worst update ever....No way for me now to get that obsidian armor anymore..... GG

With the changes to HA and now this update, most of the fun in both pvp and pve are gone.

(Diablo, here I come again)

I feel very sad, why??? Just why

cellardweller · Apr 20, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I just checked that area out. You can not get 8 separate mobs without overlap. Plus while the map is pretty open it's not completely open enough without having to clear a mob or two to be able to have 8 separate soloers. Plus the overlap in distances makes the 8 man botter a lot less efficient than the solo botter before.

Going from memory here but:
Bot 1 takes the 2 mobs to the west
Bot 2 takes the 2 mobs to the east
Bot 3 takes the 2 mobs past the west mobs on the way to the nec boss
Bot 4 takes the rangers up the top
Bot 5/6 Move down the middle and take 2 of the groups in the centre each.
Bot 7 Goes with 5/6 uses holy haste to get up the ramp to the west and takes out the 2 groups there.
Bot 8 holy hastes up the east ramp and takes out the 2 groups there.

You could sqeeze and extra couple of bots in at the top of the northern stairs if they would allow 10 in a group.

Obviously the bots will be more sophisticated than they are right now, but I doubt it will slow them down for more than a week or so.

...Anyway I'm done arguing the point.

mighty xxl · Apr 20, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Abarra

Yes Mighty xxl but you had the farming, you got the armors now you can pvp. Others won't have the skills unlocked, won't have the armors and wont have the same opportunities you had. So stop being so selfish.

I am not selfish. Like i said, i want more. You think i will not like having another FoW? By all means YES!