Curse

lyra_song · Apr 27, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.

I think its perfectly fine to ban someone if they can't express their opinion without getting insulting and personal.

thezed · Apr 27, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by TLLOTS

The negative attitude is warranted in this case Gaile.

Take this simple analogy: Your friend (we'll call him Bob) gave you a plushie for your birthday almost a year ago, and you were happy with it at first, it was cute, maybe it even made funny noises. Nevertheless, after awhile you lost interest in it and it ended up sitting in your closet for the rest of the year. Now, almost up to your birthday again and Bob comes and asks "hey, I'm thinking I might get you another plushie this year, is there one in particular you'd like?", to which you reply "well actually I'm kind of tired of plushies now, I'd really rather something else."

Bob doesn't respond, but finally your birthday roles around, you open your present, curious to see what your friend decided to get you... and find another plushie. To make matters worse, your friend has been handing out plushies like candy to everyone they know, so any value it has as far as just being a special gift from a friend is absolutely nil. Effectively the plushie has no value to you, not even as a gift as you've already told your friend that it wasn't something you really wanted, so you feel more than a little disappointed that they didn't listen to you.

This analogy is a bit unfair. In this case "Bob" is not a sigle individual giving 1 present to a friend. Bob is a multi-national company giving millions of gifts to millions of characters. It is impossible to give that many people exactly what they want, or even to avoid giving anyone something they DONT want.

Here is a better analogy (and one i can relate to personaly): Lets rename Bob to Grandpa Bob. Grandpa Bob has a lot of grandkids, some of them with birthdays very close to eachother. Grandpa Bob tends to give these grandkids with close birhtdays pretty much the same gifts. Now, you might not LOVE what he got you (lets face it, grandpa Bob is a little behind the times) but, gosh darnit, despite that funny smell he gives off you just love grandpa Bob and your gratefull he was thinking about you, cares about you, and got you a gift.

Thanks "Grandpa Bob"!

TiNkLeR · Apr 27, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No one lied. No one promised anything. Until recently we didn't even confirm there would be a gift. Now, if you can show me where we "promised" something other than a mini, I'd like to see it.

Can't?

Didn't think so.

As to why there is a birthday mini, well, we conducted numerous polls in several langauges, but there was there was no clearcut "other thing" called out by fans. Sure, there were about a hundred ideas, but none of them were resoundingly the conclusive "vote of the masses" for a birthday gift. In the collected votes, miniatures were a very highly-rated choice, and received more votes than any other single alternative. In the end, the designers chose something that they felt would be fun and enjoyable, and something that players can keep, sell, or trade, as they see fit.

It's a gift. Enjoy it, or not, but please get over the negative attitude, it contributes nothing to the discussion here.

You are joking right? ROTFL.

Wait wait!!!!!

IT ISNT CUSTOMIZED !!!! WHAT THE F???? WHY DO I WANT IT ? zomg... Those damn people that didnt support GW from the beggining will have a damn 2set of miniatures if they want???
Go away anet. You completely disapointed me.

Btw:

Christmas 2005
GameBoy

Christmas 2006
Red GameBoy

wtf?

lucifer_uk · Apr 27, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I think its perfectly fine to ban someone if they can't express their opinion without getting insulting and personal.

That I agree with, its just whether the mods see calling someone a liar is getting insulting.

Kry Onicle · Apr 27, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Aataxe and Djinn are ftw. Others are poor though Imo.

Mournblade · Apr 27, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Personal preferences aside, I don't care what the gifts actually were - I am happy that the effort was made to give us something to say thank you. Thank you Dev Team.

I am once again PISSED however that we still have the white/purple/green/gold random prezzies. Give us all the same gift or let us choose from the list. This crap about some people selling their presents for 100k +40ecto vs some people getting the 5k grand prize is just uncalled for.

lyra_song · Apr 27, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

That I agree with, its just whether the mods see calling someone a liar is getting insulting.

Well my post in particular has lots of tongue-in-cheek irony, considering my opinions.

I see lots of elitist attitudes and greed manifesting in some of these posts.

Selket · Apr 27, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

No mini tengu?

;_____;

Jetdoc · Apr 27, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Sweet! I can't wait to see a miniature Pawolo Joko - that may be the perfect compliment to my Necromancer.

I agree that a Fire Djinn would've rocked...I personally like them more than the Water Djinn.

Selket · Apr 27, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.

Uh, you can ban anyone for anything.

This isn't a democracy.

Selket · Apr 27, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.

Uh, you can ban anyone for anything.

This isn't a democracy.

Horseman Of War · Apr 27, 2007, 01:48 PM // 13:48

hmmm my mesmer /age is 24 months but no mini yet, maybe in a few hours

oh hey go read the suggestion posts for the mini ideas.. Ty ANet for making all my suggestions minis!! Irukandji is win!

Neo Nugget · Apr 27, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Wow those are pretty cool minis. Im not as jealous becuase my assassin just got a burning titan(yay)!

NekoZ · Apr 27, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

My friends Mini Palawa Joko:

zara · Apr 27, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

I am once again PISSED however that we still have the white/purple/green/gold random prezzies. Give us all the same gift or let us choose from the list. This crap about some people selling their presents for 100k +40ecto vs some people getting the 5k grand prize is just uncalled for.

QFT...Why are some people more special than others for a birthday that they get a green present while the rest get some lame white one - or god forbid an elf this time around.

Although I would have preferred something customized for the character and untradable.

Lalita · Apr 27, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Thanks for the new mini-pets A-net

Alot of us realize that we aren't 'owed' any birthday present, but rather that they are a nice token of appriciation for the player base. Alot of the whinning you see here is the results of parents not beating the greedy out of their kids enough.

RTSFirebat · Apr 27, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

This is meant to be a dicussion about the new mini pets... this has gone wildly off topic

Neo Nugget · Apr 27, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Whats the green mini?

ctarl · Apr 27, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Gwen (yay) ^^

TLLOTS · Apr 27, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by thezed

This analogy is a bit unfair. In this case "Bob" is not a sigle individual giving 1 present to a friend. Bob is a multi-national company giving millions of gifts to millions of characters. It is impossible to give that many people exactly what they want, or even to avoid giving anyone something they DONT want.

Certainly, you can't please everyone, and I'm not about to suggest that ANet attempt to do so. However, when there is clearly a significant portion of players who favour an alternative, then perhaps it'd be better to find a way to accomodate both the players who favour the status quo, and those who favour the alternative. I don't believe this is a particularly difficult task, simply have a dialog box with the following appear when you double click your birthday gift:

"The moment you open your birthday gift a small odd looking Elf leaps out at you, bellowing in a surprisingly deep voice 'Hear me mortal! I come to you with many gifts, but only one shall be yours. Which do you desire, a furry (or even spikey) minipet, or a mystery prize? Think carefully, as once your decision is made it cannot be taken back!'"

Answer one: "I love things that are furry, except for that food I found under that rubble in Ascalon, that was just nasty. Err... where was I? Oh yes, give me the minipet!"

Answer two: "Wow, a mystery prize, I wonder what it could be? Maybe it's a minipet? I've always wanted one of those. I'll take the mystery prize!"

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Originally Posted by thezed

Here is a better analogy (and one i can relate to personaly): Lets rename Bob to Grandpa Bob. Grandpa Bob has a lot of grandkids, some of them with birthdays very close to eachother. Grandpa Bob tends to give these grandkids with close birhtdays pretty much the same gifts. Now, you might not LOVE what he got you (lets face it, grandpa Bob is a little behind the times) but, gosh darnit, despite that funny smell he gives off you just love grandpa Bob and your gratefull he was thinking about you, cares about you, and got you a gift.

Thanks "Grandpa Bob"!

Your analogy is perfectly valid, it portrays your perspective accurately in an easily understood manner, while mine does the same for me. Neither is more valid than the other.