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King Kong · Jan 28, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum

I can buy every skill in the game in Kaineng/Lions/Kamadan ^_^

From wiki...

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* Dakk, the skill trainer at Ember Light Camp, trains every non-elite Core and Prophecies skill.

* Zenaida, the skill trainer at Harvest Temple, teaches every non-elite Core and Factions skill.

* Zendeht, the skill trainer in Gate of Torment, is known to teach every non-elite Nightfall skill that can't be unlocked by recruiting Heroes, and is presumed to teach every non-elite Core and Nightfall skill.

BlackEagle · Jan 28, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

I'm guessing he meant cos he already has the skills unlocked, through faction or whatever, so can get em from kaineng.

As for factions being bad, I didn't find it that bad, but the most annoying thing was getting the 10k faction. Also, it was very short in comparison and whilst the sin/rit are both good classes, I'd say they're the most shunned classes in the game.

The only thing I like is the alliance battles, which are good fun if you're bored, but it gets kinda annoying to see people taking it as a geniune rivalry. You don't go a single battle without seeing: "Suxons" and "Kurdicks" Which is kinda annoying.

BladeDVD · Jan 28, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Reasons why people hate factions (Disclaimer, not all or even most of these are my opinion, I'm just listing them):
- 10,000 faction required to continue the storyline. Many people didn't realize this the first time they went through the game, and ended up spending all their quest faction before getting this quest reward. They were then "forced" to pvp in FA or JQ. This experience left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Also, if you're taking a new char through factions, you have to regain all 10k faction.
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Furthermore, you could buy every nonelite skill in Kaineng, and you hit lvl20 in your first 5 hours of playing or so.

This isn't as obvious as it should be, but the Kurz/Luxon Faction is ACCOUNT-wide, not character specific. As long as you don't cash it in, a new character will register the befriending quests as complete almost immediately after taking them.

And this is more a nit pick, but Kaineng's skill trainer does not have all non elite skills. That's the trainer in the Harvest Temple. I think it's only like 5 skills per profession though, so that's kidn of splitting hairs.

I personally enjoyed Factions and am still trying to get characters through it, if only for access to the skills. I do wish it was more like Prophecies in that you didn't have to do missons/quests to get to most of the areas. Especially since you're likely to bring multiple characters through, it's nice to be able to take short cuts once you've gone through the story once.

Zedd Kun · Jan 28, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Factions noob island was great.. Short and nice.. City SUCKED so much.
Kurzick places like Melandru's Hope were sooo nice.. Luxon/Kurz FF is a nice system. PvP in Factions sucked, since you cant join Fort without getting atleast 1 bot and leecher in your team, and only half of the team know what to do instead of running around killing everyone. Factions was short, and kinda boring sometimes, but I LOVE the new weps and armor that came. Anet learned after Factions, and made an explorable map in NF. They know what we want. I hope chapter 4 is a big map with MANY different places like Propechies. I would also love lvl40-50 elite bosses of each prof in special arenas that you need a team of 8/12 to make ^.^

Go Factions, go Nightfall, and ofcourse, go Propechies!

Kook~NBK~ · Jan 28, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Why I hated factions:

1. Fast rate of leveling - Prophecies was a bit slow, but OK. Nightfall's is about right.

2. Bad story line - it was poorly done and made me feel like I was along for the ride, a spectator.

3. Timed missions - I prefer to play at my own pace, and not be rushed through the game.. That's probably the biggest thing for me right there.

4. That damn city - didn't like being there, and was really, really annoyed that once I got out of it, I had to go Back!!!

5. Bad cut-scene acting and nasty, grating voices.

6. RUSH, RUSH, RUSH!! WAIT! go farm 10k faction before continuing!

7. Access to elite missions - the method of getting to them is a horrid idea that shouldn't ever have been implemented.

8. Viznuah Square mission - depending on another party to keep their guy alive? AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

zara · Jan 28, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Only thing I didnt like about Factions was the 10k, becuse that made me have to grind out faction for both sides. other than that Factions is superior than Nightfall by far. It looks better, more varied landscape. And to those who are saying that they didnt like the 10k faction thing, Nightfall has the exact same garbage with the Sunspear junk. Oh yeah I forgot, Factions didnt have heroes, so at least it was possible to do missions with people.
Prophecies on the other hand is amazing. Why can't they just stick with that style. If you wanted to explore, not a problem, didnt wanna do a mission, get a run.

Tarkin · Jan 28, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Closed doors at your face are so...

Man at time of factions i have 6 pve... i start my rit, because everyone kown sin sucks in pve... i play all storyline with my rit, enjoy the game, is good a game, good story, good ideas... well finish the game... start my pve sin...
... ... at groove i change the secondary of my sin for rit and use a spirit build, no sin skills, well but it other history... well finish the game, dont enjoy the game because sin sucks in pve, all kown it no secret...

Now the worst of factions... i have 6 more pve to cap skills... not to finish the game just to cap... man cant run to citys...
What i do about the annoying 10k quest?
man all quest for kurziks take 10k in factions, and stop playing with the carac i use to get the faction ( i cant remember what carac), i start to carry every other carac to the city of quest... and take que quest... use the faction and make the same with luxon quest... hell just to make caps...

NF make things a bit easy for caps, again closed gates but a bit faster...
But the sad is the need to finish the game...

I forget to say i dont hate factions...

chicks boy · Jan 28, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Yeah i dont get why People hates factions? You cant run people there (Thats good, actually) And the greens are ALMOST everywhere! And if you dont like alliance battle then you a hater, boi.

I didn't like prophiecies, too easy if you have the money. As soon as you get you're 2nd Proffesion, you can leave Pre searing, YAY. Get runned to beacons from Ascalon, get runned to droks from beacons, get runned to THK from droks. Do ring of fire with guildies, Do abbadon with guildies, Do Hell's precipe with guildies and winter spirit. Siggh boring. Factions and Nightfall FTW

Bale_Shadowscar · Jan 28, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

and to the OP: Not everyone does hate Factions, but just think that Prophecies and Nightfall are a lot better. Since Factions was the first expansion, most of us didn't know what to expect, and perhaps got our hopes a bit too high up, and so were a bit dissapointed when factions failed to deliver an awesome game like prophecies.

Arkantos · Jan 28, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by chicks boy

And if you dont like alliance battle then you a hater, boi.

I guess I'm a hater because I don't like fighting afking PvErs in PvP.

Brother Andicus · Jan 29, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Why Factions PvE was bad:
Fedex syndrome
10k Faction Requirement
No more running(didnt bother me, but many hated it)
Storyline
2 team missions
The access to the elite areas is messed up.
The elite area's really arent that elite.

Why Factions PvP was bad:
AB was a great concept that anet managed to screw up entirely
Fort Aspenwood is badly unbalanced and quite unfun due to randomness.
Jade Quarry. Cant comment because of "No opposing party", but I guess that is enough comment in itself.
Rt spirit spam was the most frustrating thing ever and just lead to marathon GvGs.

About the only good thing to come from Factions was the Assassin. It's not so great for PvE, but it made big impacts on GvG adding some nice variety to split team possibilities.

wingzro · Jan 29, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

One big thing to hate: mack-daddy-Mhenlo is the big hero, not the players.

darktyco · Jan 29, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Factions > all

I think a lot of prophecies is hopelessly drab (parts of Kryta, seared Ascalon, the Jungle) and the structure of missions is really quite boring. The best thing it has going for it is that it is runnable.

The worst thing about Factions IMO is the voice acting, it is exceedingly horrible.

The Herbalizer · Jan 29, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

The items were not particularly nice to look at or rare.

The city which was a big portion of the game was a big eye sore. I really really hated it. I also had to sit in the dark as the damn glare on the monitor made navigating around the city impossible. I am sure I could have bought some anti-glare cover but I have never ever had this problem before.

It was unrunnable. Sucks when you have a male and female version of each profession. Also sucks when you have to do all the retarded primary quests in the hideous city. Skill capping is a nightmare as you need to take each character through the game. Was much better in prophecies when you could get run to each town and skill cap outside it easily.

Prophecies lasted much much longer than factions and that had rare weapons, visually attractive areas and was runnable. Whenever I do play Guild Wars it is in Prophecies. So Factions lasted all of a couple of days while I have played Prophecies since release.

Count to Potato · Jan 29, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

i dont understand why you don't understand all you do is compare and contrast tyria and nightfall to cantha, its not bad, just worse then the other two

Jeremy Untouchable · Jan 29, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

the reason i hate factions is: In the freeplay weekend, they let you run around, game comes out, slamm shut doors...if anet wants more people to play factions they should open all the doors and let us run for craps sake

floppinghog · Jan 29, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

If you've been around since the beginning, you might understand thet Factions introduced a shift in playing style that many PvE preferring players came to resent. It signalled to some that ANet was leaning heavy towards a PvP style game over PvE (not my opinion, but one I've read more than a few times). Because of the differences, people took it as a sign of overall changes in game play....With Nightfall coming out and returning to a more PvE friendly game style, people who didn't like Factions generally liked it and threw even more hate towards Factions because now they have 2 chapters that are more PvE firendly and can reflect upon how they like chapters 1 and 3. Personally, I like each for different reasons....and dislike certain aspects of each...but you won't see me getting my Jockeys in a bunch over any of it. On the whole, ANet has produced a superior product with no monthly fee and less grind...I'm no fanboy, but I do dig this series of games and look forward to see what they do next.

took the very words out of my mouth.

except i do consider myself a fanboy due to the fact that no matter what they do next im still interested on where it would take the game regardless how "good" or "bad" it may be to certain cry babies.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Jan 29, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Strong Points of Factions:

-Fast leveling (specially compared to Prophecies)
-More gold rewarded for quest turn ins
-Unique and underplayed professions: Ritualists and Assassins
-A "tight" story driven campaign.
-Immersion of player in the environments*

*People don't like the slums because they feel like they are in a slum, duh! The game encourages you to get through and escape the city, and this can be done via team work and playing the game. The slums are a direct result of millions of refugees fleeing the destruction in the east.

Additionally, the Jade Sea and Quarries are some of the most creative game environment concepts you will find in a game.

The Usual Whine: I can't be ran through and by pass game content, wah!

The Irony: It's like going to a horror flick and complaining you got scared o.O

MegaMouse · Jan 29, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

I am not gioing to say I dislike or like Factions. It has its strong points and its weak points. The main thing about Factions that I realy dislike is the farming grind that you have to do to maintain a decent amount of alliance points to keep a town. Truly that is one of the worst parts of the game. I personaly like the way they curb the runners in Factions though. That was truly a briliant idea. In NightFall they have a different system to stymie runners. Although you can be run to almost every place on the main continent, unless you actualy do the primary quests you will never finish the game.
I think they iplemented the fast leveling to allow us as players to get into groups easier due to the large number of high level players coming from Tyria. Other than those I realy don not have any other complaints.

Mega Mouse

Tachyon · Jan 29, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

The Usual Whine: I can't be ran through and by pass game content, wah!

Yes, game content that becomes extremely boring after you've been forced to repeat every bloody mission with each char you create. After a while it just gets way to repetitive.

Why they couldn't just have it so that once the chapter had been completed with a Canthan born char the gates aren't there anymore is beyond me. At least that way you could speed your 4th or 5th char through and anyone who hadn't actually completed the chapter couldn't.