Curse

Coridan · May 10, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

i think that its bogus that you can only get rewards points if you participate in the Hero Ladder or GVG ladder....what about those of us who only like RA/TA/HA?

I mean come on a bit one sided there isn't it?

Ouchie · May 10, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by xshadowwolfx

Its kind of a reward for pvper players thats all.

Some of them don't enjoy PvEing or like to get a rare skin but don't have enough to get the skin in perfect stats. They stay that way, because they spend all their time and "work" pvping. I don't think its a big deal.

To be fair they should give PvP rewards to PvE players too then - certain skins .....

Diddy bow · May 10, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

My issue is that anet have again broke the pve economy, this being time number 3, inscription weapons made 99% of nf thing pretty worthless, then the solo neft (wont go into detail there) and now this which, if they get anything beond 1.5K armors and a couple of common skins, say sword wise they get short sword, longsword, and wingblade things like that. if they get all the weapons and armor then pve will go to hell :/

lyra_song · May 10, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Ouchie

To be fair they should give PvP rewards to PvE players to then - certain skins .....

Oh please with skins. I want what makes PvP specifically PvP.

Champion / hero / gladiator / commander titles and gold/silver trimmed capes for PvE without having to step foot in battle isles to PvP please.

Nekretaal · May 10, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

ATS rewards being PvE skins is lame.

(1) Since the AtS is replacing, for all intents and purposes the quarterly tournaments and the ladder, the rewards better be good.

(2) You win a GVG championship in an ATS, and all you get is a skin that PvE already has... something that if you take with you to RA will cause others to ragequit? ouch. This sucks.

(3) ATS reward points are also available from Hero tournmants. You win a Gvg championship, and you only get something that somebody who is practically playing pvE also gets? lame.

Understandably PvE is upset because they dont like something that "costs" hundreds of hours of gameplay (according to market prices) to be given out in some ATS hero tournament where a lucky build could gurantee an easy victory against the 2 other people playing, or some 3 am GvG ATS between scrubs. Also since these skins are account based unlocks, its pretty obvious that, given enough time played, everybody who pvps will eventually get them (just like everybody eventually takes HoH at some point). And, once gained, they are infintely duplicable by that player's characters.

But from the PvP side, isnt this also lame enough to be worth raising? Instead of a new reward, you get a recycled reward from PvE. this isnt a gold trim that says "I am a champion." This is a status item that says "I am either a champion or an ebayer." Its lame. Even Rollerbeetle tonics were better than this!!!

This ATS is replacing the ladder, and its replacing the quarterly tournaments, and what its replacing them with as a reward... sucks. Imagine some Gvg team dominates in the early tornaments and wins all the skins (that they probably already have because prophecies has been out for 2 years, and nightfall for 6 months)... then what? Theres no reason left for them to play? They should just leave? (This is a serious question: once a pvp has UAX including the new skins, since there is no more ladder (as a practical matter) why keep playing?)

Anet. If you do an ATS. DO IT RIGHT. New rewards. Rewards that are equal in effect to the gold trimmed capes and ladder ranking. If the rewards are as lame as pvE skins... I just dont see people getting excited.

lyra_song · May 10, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

I mentioned in the other thread, that Anet should reward PvPers with PvP content, so an ORIGINAL and PvP-only armor (and weapon) skin set would be a much more appropriate idea.

Ouchie · May 10, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Oh please with skins. I want what makes PvP specifically PvP.

Champion / hero / gladiator / commander titles and gold/silver trimmed capes for PvE without having to step foot in battle isles to PvP please.

Well that isn't what this is about - it's about skins as rewards

Titles are a different issue you earn them for different aspects of the game. If I wanted any of those things I would go get them like any other title.

However, If all PvE skins are available without PvEing then items that drop from chests in HoH exclusively should be put somewhere in PVE

sweat man · May 10, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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PvP-only armor (and weapon) skin set would be a much more appropriate idea.

to much work. tbh this will make minimal diference in the long run, idk what skin i have ever. only time i want an elemental sword is to sell so that i can buy stuff i want.!! they will not make theese skins tradeable. it is merely a skin!!!

lyra_song · May 10, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Ouchie

Well that isn't what this is about - it's about skins as rewards

Titles are a different issue you earn them for different aspects of the game. If I wanted any of those things I would go get them like any other title.

However, If all PvE skins are available without PvEing then items that drop from chests in HoH exclusively should be put somewhere in PVE

What difference is it if its a title or a skin?

You buy armor, how do you get money? You kill stuff/or power trade.
You gain vanquisher, how do you do that? You kill stuff.
You gain drunkard, how do you do that? you drink booze? where do you get booze? you buy it. where do you get money? you kill stuff/or power trade.

Its something to go after. Something to spend your time getting, because it might mean something to you.

Something that says "I did ___________ " (or ebayed).

Its not the substance of the reward, its the value that it represents.

To some PvPers, /rank means everything. To some, it means nothing.
To some PvErs armor skins mean everything. To some, it means nothing.

Its a perfectly valid comparison.

A PvPer who wins ATS has a chance at something thats from PvE without doing PvE.
A PvEr should have a chance for something thats from PvP without doing PvP.

Heres the only ways i will accept it:
1) ATS skin rewards are destructable (armor is not "unlocked", and weapons are sellable like HoH drops)
2) PvE should get a chance at PvP only things.

Avarre · May 10, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

I think a large point in the issue is that putting PvE and PvP on any kind of equal level of player skill and capability, and thus deserving of balanced reward between the two, is ridiculous.

sweat man · May 10, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

yeah, know what u mean, but i honestly think that in this particular case it is fuss over nothing, why were complaints not made when pvp first started to give baisic amour skins? becuase pvpers cant go where pvers can. end of, that way why the hell would ppl care what ppl have in pvp when they know its just unlocked with a form of faction...

Ouchie · May 10, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

What difference is it if its a title or a skin?

You buy armor, how do you get money? You kill stuff/or power trade.
You gain vanquisher, how do you do that? You kill stuff.
You gain drunkard, how do you do that? you drink booze? where do you get booze? you buy it. where do you get money? you kill stuff/or power trade.

Its something to go after. Something to spend your time getting, because it might mean something to you.

Something that says "I did ___________ " (or ebayed).

Its not the substance of the reward, its the value that it represents.

To some PvPers, /rank means everything. To some, it means nothing.
To some PvErs armor skins mean everything. To some, it means nothing.

Its a perfectly valid comparison.

A PvPer who wins ATS has a chance at something thats from PvE without doing PvE.
A PvEr should have a chance for something thats from PvP without doing PvP.

Heres the only ways i will accept it:
1) ATS skin rewards are destructable (armor is not "unlocked", and weapons are sellable like HoH drops)
2) PvE should get a chance at PvP only things.

I am not sure I see what you are trying to express about the titles. PvE Titles are not being unlocked for PvPers. If PvPers want the Vanquisher title they would have to go get it still, so it is only fair PvErs have to go get PvP titles if they want them.

I do see your point on the other items which are cosmetic - If emotes are attached to a PvP title there should be a corresponding one for PvE.

I do see your point that Trims for capes should be attached to a PvE title as well (Guardian or Vanquisher maybe) and mini pets should be available in some form for all not exclusive for PvP. ( not that I actually want any more mini pets than I already have)

But the main topic is that they are taking everything people work for in PvE cosmetically (armor skins and weapon skins) and giving it as a reward for PvPing ... but not taking drops from HoH and making it a reward for PvEing, doing this simply degrades the value of a PvEr's in game time by rewarding PvPers for not spending any time PvEing to get the same rewards as well as the rewards they already get.

All cosmetic items should be available to both sides to even things out IMHO

Gregslot · May 10, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Dear god... cant you people do something else?

First of all you are NOTHING to DEMAND anything from A.net, or anyone in here. So stop acting like you are the boss of them because you are not!

Second. A.net is not your mom, so you cant emotionaly blackmail them by annoying them with all this "BWWAAAA I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!" or "If you dont do this im going to kill myself". The only thing you are doing is look ridiculous to them. "Who the heck this guy he think he is?" they must think.

Third. It is their game, they do whatever they want to it, they are doing what they think it will be the best for all. You cant really imagine that one guy says "We are adding this, we dont need to test or review the situation over and over, lets make some people unhappy muhahahaha". They obviously gather a team of experts and discuss this (people that created the game and know this game better then you, that get payed to do this right)

Fourth. If you are so unhappy, if you think that they screwed up this game and everything else, so WHY god... WHY are you still playing it?!? The only possible explanation for this is that you must be one of those people that are only happy when feeling unhappy u.u

Now go ahead and complain, complain until you let it all out, tell it to your mother, your daddy, the neighbour or even your math teacher.
But dont you dare complaining about the game and at the time you close this window you log in at GuildWars. Kind of a hypocrital attitude, isnt it?

Enough with this "Open your eyes A.Net" thing... it is about time YOU open YOURS.

"Do whatever makes you feel happy, if it doesnt, dont do it"

crimsonfilms · May 10, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

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1) ATS skin rewards are destructable (armor is not "unlocked", and weapons are sellable like HoH drops)
2) PvE should get a chance at PvP only things.

1. Might as well not give the reward since PvPers reroll constantly.
It is not "unfair"
It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title.

And it is ironic. PvErs scream separation from PvP. ATS reward furthers this idea, ironically, you guys don't want it because it affects your economy. Hilarious.

2. Title and rank? Absurd.

your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more.

Ouchie · May 10, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Gregslot

Dear god... cant you people do something else?

Nope I'm at work so a little chitchat makes the day go by faster

I am not complaining or ordering just making an opinion - I won't stop playing either way ... but.... logically if you give a way to obtain PvE to PvPers there should be a way to obtain PvP items for PvEers. In a politically correct~ don't favor one kid over the other kinda way. (IMHO

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Bruce Leeroy · May 10, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

1. Might as well not give the reward since PvPers reroll constantly.
It is not "unfair"
It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title.

And it is ironic. PvErs scream separation from PvP. ATS reward furthers this idea, ironically, you guys don't want it because it affects your economy. Hilarious.

2. Title and rank? Absurd.

your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more.

2. Not title and rank, but a chest that could drop a mini Ghostly Hero would be nice.

Bankai · May 10, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Step 1: Create a PvP character
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

If you want to play with a PvE character, face the consequences.

lyra_song · May 10, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

1. Might as well not give the reward since PvPers reroll constantly.
It is not "unfair"
It is only unfair because you are unwilling to get it yourself. You are more than able to GvG like any person. Like any PvPer is more than capable to get Cart and Survivor title.

To be forced into 1 primary class, since you want to keep your vanity armor. Just like pve.

Why should a PvPer be given a chance at a PvE item for doing PvP? This doesnt make any sense to me.

HoH chests i can let slide, since theres PvP only items (Balthazar Flame) pop out of there too.

In fairness, the PvPers have made their choice to not play PvE. In doing so, they choose to limit themselves to PvP only titles.

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And it is ironic. PvErs scream separation from PvP. ATS reward furthers this idea, ironically, you guys don't want it because it affects your economy. Hilarious.

If you read my posts, i want more integration of PvP and PvE.
This idea continues to seperate the two.
And ive made my comment on the economy (ie: this wont matter)

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2. Title and rank? Absurd.

your logic is based on entitlement and nothing more.

It is absurd.

Just as absurd as a PvPer who gains PvE through PvP.

Skuld · May 10, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Bruce Leeroy

2. Not title and rank, but a chest that could drop a mini Ghostly Hero would be nice.

Theres one in the HoH, try that one.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 10, 2007, 05:10 PM // 17:10

What if A-Net take away the rewards factor for both PvE and PvP? Think that would end this kind of debate right now?