Curse

Eviance · May 16, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Reasons that I stopped doing PuGs:

Tombs - I wasn't looking to pug, just happened to load there from the night before but when I was invited to a party as soon as I entered the zone, I said sure why not. I got my skills on and then went to the merch to clear some room. The monks were still setting skills when someone pulled us through the portal. Everyone says die and thusly we do cause the monks aren't ready. Next thing I know the idiot party leader is telling the whole district that I am a party killer.
I get picked up by another group anyways and things went pretty well, I rebirthed a guy in the midst of battle and he bitches at me saying "Don't rez me while we are fighting noob!" So I say sorry, I'll wait next time.... He dies again and then starts begging for a rez and we are in the midst of battle....!!!! !$%#!@)(&% Battle over I rez him and he zones out of the party.... GFG! We finished with a team of 5 and when we get back to the outpost the other idiot is still there spamming.

I volunteer my time to help low pugs and then get yelled for being a level 20 failure when their lvl 10 wammo agroes more than even I can handle as a ranger and causes a wipe... Not a monk yo and not your personal body guard.

I pug with pvp groups and I make a suggestion, I'm told that because of my rank I don't know what I am talking about.... Ok fine give me your ideas then, and they do and then it fails and they make the exact same suggestion that I had made earlier as if it were their idea.

I hate pugging! I hate henching! If I have to cap something I try to get a group from the guild or alliance, if that fails I hench. Same goes for missions and if I fail I just wait till a group is doing it! I refuse to pug any pvp stuff without at least Red along because they will listen to him.... Maybe it's a woman thing, maybe I am over dramatic, but it's better to be able to do it alone then to get into a bad pug ruining your day and gameplay. I can take lonely, I cannot take stupidity.

That being said everyone is entitled to do gameplay the way they like whether solo or with pugs. Some people do not have all day to play and thusly don't want to waste their time getting a pug together because it really is a waste of time to get everyones skills set up and so forth, but with henchies you know what they have and you can dirrect them to do your bidding and finish sooner than you would have had you been in a pug.

I personally don't bother farming SS or LB points unless someone in the alliance is doing so or we are out doing general quests or something. Titles are now more easily obtainable than before and imo hold no value since many of them can be gained by hiring someone to do the dirty work for you.

grottoftl · May 16, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

These threads are many, but all boils down to people playing based on their personality. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the same people who want to play the game alone, sans "noobs and noobettes" are mostly the same people who sit at the lunch table by themselves. The same people that are in the back of the class or at their desk all day, with little to no interaction with others.
People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.
So you must ask, the most social people, are they holed up in their room, den or office playing a computer game or are they out somewhere, well, being social?
I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.
Regardless of your avatar, people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.

do you have something personal against people playing solo to make such an ignorant claim?

Renegade26 · May 16, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Brother Andicus

Whilever the masses continue to suck, i'm continue to use henchmen

Its that simple.

Renegade26 · May 16, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

These threads are many, but all boils down to people playing based on their personality. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the same people who want to play the game alone, sans "noobs and noobettes" are mostly the same people who sit at the lunch table by themselves. The same people that are in the back of the class or at their desk all day, with little to no interaction with others.
People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.
So you must ask, the most social people, are they holed up in their room, den or office playing a computer game or are they out somewhere, well, being social?
I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.
Regardless of your avatar, people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.

You have it completely the wrong way round. If people have no friends in real life they would look to make friends in game.
If people are really cool in real life they do not need in game friends. They would most likely find it easy to make friends, but by choice they may wish to solo in short bursts of play for the enjoyment, and not being tied to a group of 8 that they must rage when they want to go out with their friends in RL.

Dont waste youre time flaming me please, I will just report and ignore. Works wonders and is quite fun for me. Too much experience of it. Lame.

Crazyvietguy · May 16, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Listen, I like to make groups and participate in PuG's as much as the next guy.

Many people have different playing styles, some like to lead a whole group (Kinda hard with a PUG) And some like to use whatever build they wish (kinda hard with a PUG).. then some people dont really care about missions and do other things like talk on AIM and occasionally going AFK (Kinda hard with a PUG).

What im trying to get at is that, the above is a large majority of players, the casual players. I personally love playing with other people during a mission, YET I prefer even more doing the mission with guildies/alliance..ies.

And on top of all that, I enjoy staying in the mission, then deciding im hungry going out to eat with friends and coming back in the same spot. I'm a casual player as well as a competitive player.

You cannot criticize people for playing the way they do, it's their game, they should play how they wish.

My advice to you -> Gather a bunch of players that have the same "yay team" interest as you and create a guild "Against Automation" or [AA] for short.

Crazyvietguy · May 16, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

The fact of the matter is that a lot of the same people who want to play the game alone, sans "noobs and noobettes" are mostly the same people who sit at the lunch table by themselves. The same people that are in the back of the class or at their desk all day, with little to no interaction with others.

Okay with this quote you've officially made prejudice comment, and have pissed me off. I play this game solo and with a group occasionally, however not to act cocky, I probably have twice as many friends as you do in real life.

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People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.

Lets take you for example, I'm ASSUMING since you are apparently very prejudice and offensive that you are a racist, inconsiderate ass? Would i be correct?

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I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.

FYI, i know plenty of "backwall kids" most of which are NOT antisocial by any means, most have social interaction problems but are not ANTIsocial. Most of these kids are shy, and actually thrive in popularity at these games because they can do/say what they wish without having to deal with the immediate social pitfalls that may result at school/work. I play counterstrike, and guildwars with 2 of these "losers" (as i can tell from you context this is what you're hinting at) and they are not only amazing at these games, but are popular because of it. So actually you'd be completely wrong.

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people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.

Okay.. you're an idiot. I consider all multi-player games "social" games. In counterstrike, not too often do I "lead my life" as I do in game. I dont often go rushing into a building grenade in hand and blow up 22 people.

Guildwars - I dont go around saying "selling watch 25k". And even though I may not be super social to other players during play. I am a very outgoing guy at my school, and have been considered "popular". So SORRY if I dont match your (obviously highly researched) conclusion about people and their video games.

You sir, just made a complete ass out of yourself

Renegade26 · May 16, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Okay with this quote you've officially made prejudice comment, and have pissed me off. I play this game solo and with a group occasionally, however not to act cocky, I probably have twice as many friends as you do in real life.

Lets take you for example, I'm ASSUMING since you are apparently very prejudice and offensive that you are a racist, inconsiderate ass? Would i be correct?

FYI, i know plenty of "backwall kids" most of which are NOT antisocial by any means, most have social interaction problems but are not ANTIsocial. Most of these kids are shy, and actually thrive in popularity at these games because they can do/say what they wish without having to deal with the immediate social pitfalls that may result at school/work. I play counterstrike, and guildwars with 2 of these "losers" (as i can tell from you context this is what you're hinting at) and they are not only amazing at these games, but are popular because of it. So actually you'd be completely wrong.

Okay.. you're an idiot. I consider all multi-player games "social" games. In counterstrike, not too often do I "lead my life" as I do in game. I dont often go rushing into a building grenade in hand and blow up 22 people.

Guildwars - I dont go around saying "selling watch 25k". And even though I may not be super social to other players during play. I am a very outgoing guy at my school, and have been considered "popular". So SORRY if I dont match your (obviously highly researched) conclusion about people and their video games.

You sir, just made a complete ass out of yourself

Yum, pwnd is tasty.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 16, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Can't we all just get along?

Crazyvietguy · May 16, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Haha, I usually get along fine with everyone here. Its just stuff like that just makes me click, cause it hits on the whole racist and prejudice issue... and as you can tell I can't stand it.

/highfive renegade

ElinoraNeSangre · May 16, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

I'm not so worried about spelling grammer ect. Not everyone has perfect English out of the womb here and not everyone speaks English as their first language.

However, I'm not certain we needed Yet Another Topic On This Topic...

Renegade26 · May 16, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

Haha, I usually get along fine with everyone here. Its just stuff like that just makes me click, cause it hits on the whole racist and prejudice issue... and as you can tell I can't stand it.

/highfive renegade

Random stupidity annoys me. I should really leave these Guildwars forums...

/HIGHFIVE

applejacks · May 16, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Okay with this quote you've officially made prejudice comment

It is funny, I did not think he was trying to be offensive. It is not prejudice it is opinion. It is his opinion that people who are loners prefer to play alone. I read this, and thought, hmmm maybe he is right. Then I read your post and said, hmmm another valid argument. I am shy in rl and shy in game. I don't like to chat in towns, lest I be ridiculed. It may be silly, but that is just how I feel. I think that is what he is trying to say. I am shy in rl (have lots of friends though but still shy, ya) and in game.

Both comments are generalizations. It is a generalization to say that you are a loner in rl then you are a loner in game; and a generalization to say the opposite: you are a loner in rl, you are social in game. He was responding to the OP, giving his opinion as to why people do or do not play with others in game.

Again, this is just my opinion. I may have misinterpretted him completely.

grottoftl · May 16, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by applejacks

It is funny, I did not think he was trying to be offensive.

if you check out previous threads about grouping mainly PUGs you get a sense that gene terrodon has some sort of grudge against players who dont party with each other in some of his posts and who doesnt play in a group is automatically labeled as antisocial. then he tells them to go play single player games and leave guild wars because "guild wars is a multiplayer game you suppose to play with people every time and you suppose to be social"

explodemyheart · May 16, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by applejacks

It is not prejudice it is opinion.

Prejudice is opinion, bud.

Navaros · May 16, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

As stated numerous times on this board, contrary to the original post no GW is not an inherently multiplayer game if the individual player does not want it to be. It says on the back of the GW box that you are meant to play alone if you want to.

As for taking PUGers to farm LB with Show of Force, that's counter-productive. All they would do is slow you down. One time I happened to do that and the ally actually kept dying in the worms and wasting huge amounts of time. It's about 5x faster to do it myself. LOL

As for PUGs in general, they are 10x worse outside of worms, which is why usually good players will never play in them unless absolutely necessary.

I think this thread title should be changed to also include the solo statement on the back of the GW box, for the sake of those who didn't bother to read said box and be led astray by this thread title.

Jamison0071 · May 16, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Having just one other person means you have to wait for them to load, wait for them to type /resign when you're done and need to start over, or they might go AFK so you have to wait... etc. People do the grinding tasks because they're quick ways to get a task done alone, adding humans to the equation just slows it down.

QFT, I always find people I farm with (even sometimes guildies) are just plan slower than me. Hench ftw!

kazjun · May 17, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

I only pug when I'm looking for a laugh. If it goes well, then it's all good. If it goes bad, then it's just funny. Though if you ask for help, I'll usually help as long as I don't have to travel too far (I won't do galrath for anyone I don't know).

On the other hand, if your attitude when asking for help (if its anything like from your posts here) is just plain out rude, then why should I help you at all? I don't know you, you're not even some alliance member I don't know.

I don't care if you're new, I don't care (too much) if you are just plain bad at GW, as long as you're actually a pleasant person to party with. Hell, I had fun the first week of factions where it seemed each party had about 5 assassins with non max armour. Sure, there were deaths all round, but we all had fun and still ended up finishing factions anyway.

But if we all had bad attitudes, well.... Not so fun. And it seems to be especially bad in NF. I've noticed in pugs for elona, that alot of them are either total jerks, or really have to pug since they can't get anywhere without other players carrying them. Hence my use of heros. If no guildies are on, well, olias old bud, lets go

If there's someone asking for help or looking for a pug, I'll usually msg them first. If they turn out to be literate, intelligent and somewhat polite, I'll usually go with them if I have the time. If they don't answer or are jerks about it, I'll just go on my way with the heroes. Most of the people I know are like this.

Though I suppose that you at least seem vocal, which is a good thing. Half the time when I pug, they usually go straight off and then there's silence for the next 40 minutes. No conversation, no talk of plans or tactics. Just silence. I mean really, if I wanted to do something in silence, I'd have taken my heroes and got it done in half the time.

I MP I · May 17, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

To the OP: Don't tell people how to play. There are numerous reasons why people nowadays don't pug (most of which have already been said in the pages of this thread). If you would really like to pug it, I suggest you try the PUGs and Grouping section of the guru forum. Much easier solution than making a thread that'll be a flame bait fest. Good luck to you.

cellardweller · May 17, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

When you go to a club do you ask every random stranger to dance? Would you be rightfully pissed off if some random stranger came up and tried to start a conversation with you while you were putting the moves on some hottie or having a deep an meaningful with a close friend?

The simple fact is that multiplayer != playing with you.

Find some friends and you'll never have this problem again.

Water Angel · May 17, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

When you go to a club do you ask every random stranger to dance? Would you be rightfully pissed off if some random stranger came up and tried to start a conversation with you while you were putting the moves on some hottie or having a deep an meaningful with a close friend?
Find some friends and you'll never have this problem again.

and if you go to club and neva bother talk to someoen else than people you already know yo uare sure neva get more friends.

even the hottie you're trying catch, is a stranger isnt she? she is, but you u still do go to her, and try get in touch...with a perfect stranger? aww cmon.

i read all this threads and seem msot of people dun seen the op like me.

i dont say people how to play, just they COULD be a lil more open to stranger or somethign else than hench.it's not like *you must pug or you're a moron*, just all pugs arent crap,and sometime give it a chance may be a good occasion have fun or get more friends.

even you gw friends,how u met them? people keep met new people in guilds,pugs,etc etc.half of people in your gw f.list are people you randomly met in game, playing with, pugging,doing missions, or talkin in cities...when they was strangers too before be in your friendlist.

now you have heroes for do missions.but before heroes how many were spending ages ina hard mission trying get desperatly a team cus henchies was too weak?lots.

you tell me you have friends/guildies for that.ok.but if u neva puged or bothered talk to strangers you would neva met these friends or even the guy who recruited you in the guild.and even then, when you rejoin a guild, you dont know all persons in, they are still strangers, but you talk to them?funny.