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SuperDave · May 20, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Seeing as LA, Kaineng and Kamadan are trading hubs in the GW world (yes I know there are others too), why not recognize certain towns on the 3 continents as places where you can find PUGS to go on hunting / vanquishing adventures in Hard Mode.

I have tried outpost spamming "LFP to Vanquish any area", alas, on lower level areas (like Shing Jea) ppl don't PUG to vanquish. They're either dancing, begging for money, selling stuff, or trying to figure out how to dance

Any ideas which towns (and districts) would be host to setting off on such an adventure? Bearing in mind that the max party size in some of the areas are 4/6.

It's either this, finding people on forums, or wait for a continent wide party search feature. Or heroes and henchies...but they're just stupid as hell. And doing it with AI is really boring imo. (I've vanquished most of Shing Jea Island, 2 areas in Istan and 8 in prophecies including Snake Dance with an AI team. It was fun, because of it being Hard Mode and quite a challenge, but not as fun as it could have been with real~live~humanbeing~homosapien~people)

Water Angel · May 20, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

would be hard definit such spots.

as areas to ba vanquished cover all map chose a particular place or few for all areas would be pointless and hard

but maybe make a thread especially for people lookin for vanquisher title would be good idea if it no exist yet.so can easier way organise human groups for x or y area.

but ya..good luck on that...if you read my thread from few days u would notice people here are ai lovers and have no human relations at all...

but good luck.

cthulhu reborn · May 20, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I think the idea is not entirely realistic. Trading is something most people are interested in, even if it's just to see what's on sale and for what price.

Pugs..well imagine a location where people are advertising for 58 different missions and who knows how many quests and vanquishing and lb farming...etc etc etc....

And I think there are not that many people looking for Pugs...my advice is to find yourself an active PvE guild with a good amount of members. That way you can go out with real players and have fun and not get stuck with noobs and/or idiots 9 out of 10 times....

SuperDave · May 20, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Finding PUG's for missions is pretty easy, even finding ppl to do mission in Hard Mode imo is rather straight forward (apart from a select few missions).. It's the vanquishing PUGS that don't seem to exist.

So what this idea proposes is: Ppl who want to find groups to go vanquish with go to an outpost like Maatu Keep Int D1 for example and be able to find a PUG to vanquish any area in Cantha. You can sorta decide where to vanquish once you're in the group.

I know there are threads to join ppl to vanquish, but what about in game? This is specifically aimed at Hard Mode vanquising..not missions, farming etc.

I don't mind getting stuck with noobs. Getting stuck with stuck-up elitists is less desirable. I kinda enjoy the randomness of a PUG. If I wanted to play with "noobs" that are boring, don't say anything, and don't play that well, I'd just take Alesia (no offence meant to Alesia fans...I know you're out there)

@Water Angel....I did read your thread.. My comment: I choose to play a MMORPG to play with ppl, and to defeat AI, not the other way around

masta46 · May 20, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

i agree with you about the randomness of pugs. it's what makes the game fun and different, even if it can be frustrating at times. all those people on this forum that play by themselves, refuse to let people join, and then come here to bash water angels thread, it's sad because they are probably like that in real life too.

hopefully anet decides to help out the PUGs and create the global party search. it would be easy to do, and it would make playing the game that much more fun. i dont know about you, but I get tired of owning everything with my SF/MM heroes. real challenges with real people ftw.

kumarshah · May 20, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Party Search would be area wide.

Istan
Kourna
Vabbi
Desolation
Torment

etc

HawkofStorms · May 21, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperDave

Finding PUG's for missions is pretty easy, even finding ppl to do mission in Hard Mode imo is rather straight forward (apart from a select few missions).. It's the vanquishing PUGS that don't seem to exist.

So what this idea proposes is: Ppl who want to find groups to go vanquish with go to an outpost like Maatu Keep Int D1 for example and be able to find a PUG to vanquish any area in Cantha. You can sorta decide where to vanquish once you're in the group.

I know there are threads to join ppl to vanquish, but what about in game? This is specifically aimed at Hard Mode vanquising..not missions, farming etc.

I don't mind getting stuck with noobs. Getting stuck with stuck-up elitists is less desirable. I kinda enjoy the randomness of a PUG. If I wanted to play with "noobs" that are boring, don't say anything, and don't play that well, I'd just take Alesia (no offence meant to Alesia fans...I know you're out there)

@Water Angel....I did read your thread.. My comment: I choose to play a MMORPG to play with ppl, and to defeat AI, not the other way around

Its not so much that they don't exist, it's that they are all out there vanquishing.
HM missions and quests can take like a hour. Vanquishing many areas takes 3 hours plus. Thus, you'll be less likely to see people in town and they will be out in explorable zones fighting for a larger portion of their time.

Cacheelma · May 21, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by kumarshah

Party Search would be area wide.

Istan
Kourna
Vabbi
Desolation
Torment

etc

Yeah, I wish.

Age · May 21, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

It is easy to get a pug together for a mission or a certain quest but to Vanquish an area or a simple quest.That will be rather hard as some might not want to do it.Most players in big towns all they want to do is trade or LFR.It is kind of sad as pc gaming is interactive entertainment.

raven214 · May 21, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Even finding a pug in a (mission) town full of people can be difficult. I was up to the "kill Varesh" mission... forget the name atm... and of the good two dozen or so people there, the only ones talking were the ones offering mission runs. After killing a half hour "LFG mission" I finally had to pay for a run just to get a group.

That's the part I hate about this Massively-Singleplayer-Online-Game concept.

Kook~NBK~ · May 21, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

It's a good idea. Getting all of the people LFG to Vanquish areas into the same towns would make party-forming quite easy.

Two problems I see:

1. Getting all the vanquishers out there to participate. Word of mouth would really have to be used to get it up and going. It would be great if people would use guild announcements & posts in their forums the locations for partying-up. (once they were decided on.)

2. LFG Spam. Everyone knows how horrid the spam is in the trade centers. To alleviate this, The use of the Party search window should be encouraged. It's not hard for someone to post in the party window "LFG, Vanquish Mirror or Lyss" (or wherever). If the PUGsville idea gets off the ground, people should learn (and be told) to use the Party window when looking for a group to do a particular area.

For towns & outposts to use, I think that they shouldn't be towns where people gather for other things - ToA for FoW / UW runs, for example.

Some good candidates for TYRIA(IMHO):
4-person parties = Serenity Temple
6-person parties = Fisherman's Haven or Amnoon Oasis
8-person parties = Port Sledge

For Elona:
4-person parties = Astralarium or Champions Dawn.
8-person parties = Kodlonu Hamlet or Camp Hojanu

For cantha:
4-person parties = Tsumei village
8-person parties = The marketplace

(just throwing them out there, m'kay?)

Renegade26 · May 21, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Make it one outpost for each campaign, otherwise it will be too split apart, but people can work on each Vanquisher title at a time.

Mylon · May 21, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

One of the downsides of Guild Wars is there is no ability to throw oneself at a task, find someone in the same area while you're on that task, and just happen to group up. That is, in a game like WoW, you're beating up monsters or whatever to do a quest and while engaged in the quest you meet up with another person and join forces. And thus a pick up group is formed. In Guild Wars, you have to form your party before the quest is even started, which can be harder.

Solaufyn · May 21, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I know I'm not a WoW player, but there's something we can learn from them:

They have instanced areas, too. And they would manage to form 40-man groups for those instances. If they can make it work, why can't we?

-Sol

Mylon · May 21, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaufyn

I know I'm not a WoW player, but there's something we can learn from them:

They have instanced areas, too. And they would manage to form 40-man groups for those instances. If they can make it work, why can't we?

-Sol

I think a 40 man raid (ala 5 groups of 8 people?) would be awesome in Guild Wars. However, I'm not sure if it would see much play. People grind the instances because they have to to advance (before the expansion, each epic was like gaining another level past 60. Now it's like gaining levels past 70, but still.)

TheRaven · May 21, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I think the hardest part is finding folks that are interested in Vanquishing/HM Missions at the same time as you. I've seen many vanquisher threads started here and I've replied to many of them as well saying I'm interested, but so far nobody has teamed up with me.

The problem as I see it, is that many of these threads do not specify a time to Vanquish. One guy started a thread a while back offering to help with HM missions, but it turned out that he was only available for missions starting at 6am my time.

It's hard to get everyone together at the same time. I may be interested in Vanquishing, but I'll go to a town at 8pm and find nobody else there who's interested. So I leave and do something else. Someone else shows up at 8:15 and again finds no one.

I've started a thread in the PUG forum to Vanquish an area tonight at 8pm EST, but so far no takers. Perhaps I'm just in a bad time zone. I'd love to team up with other Vanquishers but my guild will only hold events at 10-11pm which is too late for me, and finding non-guild PUGs is tough.

Spazzer · May 21, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Superdave, the same idea crossed my mind recently.

I would suggest using the Fow/UW outpost of each campaign since those always support 8 players.

If this idea catches on, it would be a great lifesaver.

Bai · May 21, 2007, 11:53 PM // 23:53

It would be awesome if some of the more less active major outposts would get more action.. (Henge of Denravi, Amnoon Oasis)

If only we could somehow designate a town where people could gather to find parties instead of going solo.. It's so much funner when you have a group with you!

Spazzer · May 22, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

It would also be nice if your Party Search entry didn't erase itself each time you entered a different area.

SuperDave · May 22, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Thanks for the constructive comments guys..I like Kook~NBK~'s idea of the places where this can be started from. I do think however that Spazzer's idea of LF Vanquish parties in UW/FoW access areas would be more practical until this catches on. Off to ToA for me then