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VitisVinifera · May 24, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

yeah, this poll doesn't have enough choices, because there isn't just one chat channel. Please remake it.

kool: I don't see it mentioned in the first post that this is for the ALL channel, do you speak for him?

Patrick Smit · May 25, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

/signed

This thread is for the ALL channel not any other channel. Spamming in trade channel while still being a bit rude isnt anywhere near the same as the all channel.

Nah repetitive spamming as clearly described by Aera Lure is very annoying as well. My sales message will scroll unneccesarily fast from the screen,because 2 or 3 guys spam 15 lines in 4 seconds. This is not fair to rightful non-spamming traders. Yes you have a right to express yourself, but you should also be aware that you don't violate the rights of others. Otherwise the right is paradoxal (being only applie to self), and non functional.

For the rest I think we completely agree on what should or can be done against it

Kool Pajamas · May 25, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

yeah, this poll doesn't have enough choices, because there isn't just one chat channel. Please remake it.

kool: I don't see it mentioned in the first post that this is for the ALL channel, do you speak for him?

Dude....READ THE FREAKIN POLL.

"View Poll Results: Should ANet temp ban spammers in all chat?"

ALL CHAT

And this poll is in response to a player that got banned from spamming in all chat. I dont really like people spamming in trade chat either but its easy to just click it off. All chat is NOT meant for people spamming especially wts/wtb. Thats what the trade channel is for. All chat is supposed to be for conversation for everybody. Abusing that should get some type of punishment.

Etta · May 25, 2007, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Tarun

No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.

So, the community is made up of bunch of all/local chat trade spammers?

Stormcloud · May 25, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

Yes. Simply yes. There is a trade chat for a reason. Excuses like "we dont have an auction house, so we must abuse local chat" does not fly.

Honestly folks, people who want to buy something have their trade chat on. The ones who turn it off are not generally looking to buy anything so why annoy them with all the garbage?

Yol · May 25, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I started playing GW just over a year ago, and I'm sure I remember there used to be a "message suppressed" feature in the chat box if you posted too many messages on any channel in a certain period of time. Is there any way this feature could be adapted and re-introduced?

Commander Ryker · May 25, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

But it's not a simple yes or no.
Yes if it is you and no if it is me.

On second thought I would never do such a thing so just Yes...

Ok, maybe not, but I was trying to keep it simple.....and no need to be mean about it.

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Originally Posted by Tarun

No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.

Not the whole community, just the spammers and to tell you the truth, I don't care if they are pissed off. Maybe they'll get so pissed off they'll go to another game and we won't have to put up with their crap anymore.

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Remember though, its not temp banning over selling an item... Its temp banning over abusive, repetitive spamming of sales related activities on the All channel. Think most of us frown on sales on the All channel, but we arent even talking about that. Not only is it on the wrong channel, its multiple line repitition in quantity is what we're looking at. Fundamentally nothing at all to do with or without an Auction House.

It's more then sales related spamming. There is also the LFG, LFG, LFG, LFG.........etc. Any kind of spamming is annoying and rude. We have been arguing against the sellers because there are more of them and they are spamming (1st offense) in the all chat (2nd offense)

reetkever · May 25, 2007, 01:47 PM // 13:47

I vote no. Ban is just too much. I say bring back the spam-filter 'like in the past (If you spam, your messages won't appear anymore).

Also, !All Chat is needed for trading, since else too many people would be posting in Trade Chat. (Imagine everyone posting 1 message, and 30 people in a district... But with trading, everyone must spam messages, cause else someone else pushes your message out of sight.)

Also, since All has a different colour, people use it so their message stands out between all the pink trade chat. And what stands out will be looked at sooner, and there is more chance someone buys the item.

People will always make use of this technique, no matter what.

korcan · May 25, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

no i do not think people should be banned for spamming.

the people over at anet realise that their in-game trading system is broke so it would be plain stupid for them to punish spammers for a short-coming in their game.

if you want a decrease in spam, ask anet for further "trade improvements".

i think the following tweaks to the existing trade window would help.

i. increase character limit
ii. have the trade window linked to all major outposts
iii. messages in trade window are saved for a specific length of time without your presence in that town.

SotiCoto · May 25, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

People should be banned for at least several days for even typing out "WTS", "WTB" or "LFG" anywhere in Guild Wars.

For actually posting the same message multiple times, reamed full of exclamation marks... flooding the page with it.... A-Net should hire specialists to torture and kill the families of those responsible.

Mjhammerman · May 25, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

YES YES YES, 3000 TIMES YES. The have basically ruined the chats in ALL of the towns and outposts, i say GIVE THEM THE BOOT!!!

Commander Ryker · May 25, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by reetkever

I vote no. Ban is just too much. I say bring back the spam-filter 'like in the past (If you spam, your messages won't appear anymore).

They have a spam filter now and people just found a way around it.

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Originally Posted by reetkever

Also, !All Chat is needed for trading, since else too many people would be posting in Trade Chat. (Imagine everyone posting 1 message, and 30 people in a district... But with trading, everyone must spam messages, cause else someone else pushes your message out of sight.)

Trade is full of spammers and so you use local, which then gets full of spammers as well. That just makes no sense, because now, you have 2 chats that are nothing but WTB/WTS. How is that a good thing? And your defense to spam is that you're fighting fire with fire. Sorry, not good enough.

Lets try looking at it in a different way. ANet starts banning people for spamming, pretty soon no one is spamming. That would just be awesome.

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Originally Posted by korcan

no i do not think people should be banned for spamming.

if you want a decrease in spam, ask anet for further "trade improvements".

i think the following tweaks to the existing trade window would help.

i. increase character limit
ii. have the trade window linked to all major outposts
iii. messages in trade window are saved for a specific length of time without your presence in that town.

I'm going to quote myself here, which was a reply to your whine in another thread on the same (more or less) subject.

It is against the rules to spam and to advertise selling or buying in any chat but trade or the party search. You think that because you feel the trade system is "broken" the rules don't apply.

I'll agree that the character limit in the party window is......well limited. But in this age of texting and shortcuts, most everyone is good at this, so kpng a msg shrt shld nt be a prblm.

Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about.

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Originally Posted by korcan

the people over at anet realise that their in-game trading system is broke so it would be plain stupid for them to punish spammers for a short-coming in their game.

I'll tell you what's stupid, that despite the rules against it, people continue to spam in local. If you're going to break the rules, then you're going to have to face the consequences.

korcan · May 25, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

I'm going to quote myself here, which was a reply to your whine in another thread on the same (more or less) subject.

It is against the rules to spam and to advertise selling or buying in any chat but trade or the party search. You think that because you feel the trade system is "broken" the rules don't apply.

I'll agree that the character limit in the party window is......well limited. But in this age of texting and shortcuts, most everyone is good at this, so kpng a msg shrt shld nt be a prblm.

Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about.

I'll tell you what's stupid, that despite the rules against it, people continue to spam in local. If you're going to break the rules, then you're going to have to face the consequences.

rules against it... if anet thought that it was fair to punish people for spamming their wares in local/trade chat, dont you think more people would be getting banned? the only reason they dont mass ban all the people spamming is because they themselves know that their in-game trading system is broken.

i rarely use the trade channels to sell anything but i understand why people spam it.

if people arent able to wrap their heads around the root cause of all the spam, i feel about as sorry for all of you as i do the people who resort to spamming.

Theus · May 25, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about.

Wait,He's not allowed to whine about the fact that the lack of a decent trade system is the whole reason we have spammers,and that if we improve the Party Search,the spam will perhaps stop(And even if it doesn't players will then actually support the bannings,since such a system is actually inplace.).

But,you're allowed to whine about banning spammers simply out of spite?

Right.Way to lose all credibility thar.

IKNOW · May 25, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Yes.

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Aera Lure · May 25, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Theus

Wait,He's not allowed to whine about the fact that the lack of a decent trade system is the whole reason we have spammers,and that if we improve the Party Search,the spam will perhaps stop(And even if it doesn't players will then actually support the bannings,since such a system is actually inplace.).

But,you're allowed to whine about banning spammers simply out of spite?

Right.Way to lose all credibility thar.

Wrong. So wrong. And no I am not picking on you. This argument comes up a lot.

Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel.

Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN.

Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line.

Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do.

Theus · May 25, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Wrong. So wrong. And no I am not picking on you. This argument comes up a lot.

Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel.

Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN.

Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line.

Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do.

Um..Way to be a bit of a Knee Jerk reaction thar.

Read my post..would you like to explain exactly where I uttered the words, "Auction House"?

Cause all I see in my post is that Anet should improve on the Party Search by simply increasing the Character limit.

I know for a fact that an Auction house will never be ingame.But that doesn't mean its going to take a serious metric f*ckton of resources to up the limit of characters in Party Search.

korcan · May 25, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Wrong. So wrong. And no I am not picking on you. This argument comes up a lot.

Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel.

Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN.

Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line.

Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do.

i disagree. not having an adequate trading system, does in fact, lead to all the spam.

if youre trying to sell something in the trade channel and someone decides to super spam the channel with 5-6 consecutive lines of WTS or WTB or whatever else, some other seller will see that their message is no longer visible in the chat channel and will undoubtedly super spam their message to take up 5-6 lines of chat space. this is obviously a viciously cycle that results in uber spam in all channels.

unfortunately, with the amount of people that play this game, not everyone is going to be caring, mature and patient when it comes to the chat channels.

your reason of immaturity, impatience, and lack of care is, unfortunately, the reality in which we have to deal with. and in that reality, a better trading system [not necessarily an auction house] is going to be necessary for any significant decrease in spam.

Aera Lure · May 25, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Theus

Um..Way to be a bit of a Knee Jerk reaction thar.

Read my post..would you like to explain exactly where I uttered the words, "Auction House"?

Cause all I see in my post is that Anet should improve on the Party Search by simply increasing the Character limit.

I know for a fact that an Auction house will never be ingame.But that doesn't mean its going to take a serious metric f*ckton of resources to up the limit of characters in Party Search.

You mention "lack of a decent trade system" which is the same thing implied as an "Auction House." You go on to say its "fact" that the reason we have spammers is the lack of said "decent trade system" when defending someone who "whined" about not having an Auction House.

You then go on to berate someone who supported banning of spammers saying its only spite?

I was just reacting to that. Like I said, its not the lack of a "decent trade system" that causes spamming, nor is it a justification for it. Its an argument that's inherently flawed and you seemed to be making it.

Last thing I want to happen is Party Search become flooded with sales-related clutter but rather see it tweaked to render results globally so it can actually be used to unite players in the game trying to do hard mode froma bunch of different localities. But I digress a bit anyway.

Theus · May 25, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

You mention "lack of a decent trade system" which is the same thing implied as an "Auction House." You go on to say its "fact" that the reason we have spammers is the lack of said "decent trade system" when defending someone who "whined" about not having an Auction House.

So?I defended him because unlike you,Miss Elite Guru,and a majority of the other posters in this thread, he's actually TRYING to come up with a solution to it.

Not some retarded idea of BAN EM' ALL!LEAVE NO SURVIVORS!, that should only be used as a last resort if improving the Party Search doesn't work.I personally don't even understand as to why Party Search was released with a Character limit less than that of chat.But it's Anet so i'm really not surprised.