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Water Angel · Jun 05, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

new title : spammer hunting !

Ghost Recon · Jun 05, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Or even better vigilante rules, if someone posts a lot a posts in local in a short amount of time or similar posts to his last post. Everyone will be able to click on his name to open another window to check if you want to report that player. After 20-30+ reports have been made automatic 24 hours ban.

Sure it can be abused but that's what gives it all the fun.

freekedoutfish · Jun 05, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Besides, do you seriously believe that banning would stop spammers? How would this banning work, anyway? Temp. ban = Useless, as they'll come back later. Permanent ban = too severe a punishment to give for just spamming.

How would it look for Anet, anyway, if they ban people who spam trade message in-game because the game's SHORTCOMINGS?

I find that a very odd thing to say.

You agree spamming is an issue which needs delt with, but your saying we shouldnt perminantly ban players for doing it? Where do we draw the line at which abuse should be dealt with perminantly and which temporarily?

I dont understand why we have temporary bans anyway. Unless Anet make a mistake, they shouldn't they give an account back.

Which obviously means I dont think banning someone perminantly for excessive spamming is a bad thing. Not if Anet make it very clear in the terms and conditions that its an offense. We're not going to sort out the issue of players abusing the game; such as spamming the local chat, unless we come down hard on them and make it perminant.

You cant agree that spamming is bad on one end, and then say its excessive to perminantly ban them for doing it. Thats like saying its bad to knife someone, but we shouldnt lock people up for carrying a weapon because we have to concider their rights as a person.

Perhaps that example is a bit excessive, but I've never understand this idea that we should concider the rights of the person who breaks the rules or the law. If they break the rules, then its their own fault. They wont learn otherwise.

Either you want spamming and other abuse to be dealt with, or you dont. You cant complain when the Mods have to use excessive force if it the only way. Freedom of speach and choice to do what you want ingame and in real life, still comes with the responsibility to consider the people around you.

And you do sign a terms of conditions when you start the game, so really there is no excuse!

KANE OG · Jun 05, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

I think a temp ban would work just fine... right before a weekend event that everyone wants to play.

KANE

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I say hit spammers where it hurts the most - wipe their inventories, gold and all.

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Here, let me clarify my idea a little more, since it seems to be getting rave reviews:

Wipe all non-equipped and non-customized items in the player's inventory (including storage and all characters) and all their gold. No tangible or sellable wealth what-so-ever. That way, they can still play all the want, but they would have no reason to spam any more - nothing to sell.

Oooh, add to it that they get their own personal loot scaling nerf. All items become scaled, including rares, greens, etc. Also, they become permanently banned from typing in Local chat ever again.

The next inevitable step, it is.

KANE OG · Jun 06, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Even if there were an auction house, people would just spam you to come see their wares at the auction house. :S

The thread was started because, maybe.... just possibly, once a day.... one mod could actually type in SOME variation to the wts/wtb database and this crap could be narrowed down.

THEN! Just maybe! You could then identify the true hardcore spammers and THEN punish them.

KANE

freekedoutfish · Jun 06, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Here, let me clarify my idea a little more, since it seems to be getting rave reviews:

Wipe all non-equipped and non-customized items in the player's inventory (including storage and all characters) and all their gold. No tangible or sellable wealth what-so-ever. That way, they can still play all the want, but they would have no reason to spam any more - nothing to sell.

Oooh, add to it that they get their own personal loot scaling nerf. All items become scaled, including rares, greens, etc. Also, they become permanently banned from typing in Local chat ever again.

The next inevitable step, it is.

So remove all their material wealth as a punishment? you might aswell just block their account, because they can quite easily do a few farming runs and get more gear. A hard core seller who has all his gear removed, isnt going to take very long to aquire new stuff to sell.

That would just be annoying, not discouraging!

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

So remove all their material wealth as a punishment? you might aswell just block their account, because they can quite easily do a few farming runs and get more gear. A hard core seller who has all his gear removed, isnt going to take very long to aquire new stuff to sell.

That would just be annoying, not discouraging!

The fact that you actually considered the viability of my idea is pretty bad. My point is that Anet seems to be taking complicated and ridiculous steps to "rid spam", that are obviously not working, and they never will. What I typed is the next inevitable step to banning, the way they're going.

Of course, the simplest thing they could do is attempt to make trading a little less like pulling teeth, and continue to work on the spam filter. In the end, you just have to accept that spam is a way of life on the internetz. Spam happens, and you can't stop it, no matter how Gestapo you get.

There will always be people who steal bread. However, if you give bread away, the rate at which people steal bread will dramatically decline - then punish the rest.

Cacheelma · Jun 06, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

The fact that you actually considered the viability of my idea is pretty bad. My point is that Anet seems to be taking complicated and ridiculous steps to "rid spam", that are obviously not working, and they never will. What I typed is the next inevitable step to banning, the way they're going.

Of course, the simplest thing they could do is attempt to make trading a little less like pulling teeth, and continue to work on the spam filter. In the end, you just have to accept that spam is a way of life on the internetz. Spam happens, and you can't stop it, no matter how Gestapo you get.

There will always be people who steal bread. However, if you give bread away, the rate at which people steal bread will dramatically decline - then punish the rest.

*waits patiently for someone to come out and yell "People will steal bread anyway"!*

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Here, let me clarify my idea a little more, since it seems to be getting rave reviews:

Wipe all non-equipped and non-customized items in the player's inventory (including storage and all characters) and all their gold. No tangible or sellable wealth what-so-ever. That way, they can still play all the want, but they would have no reason to spam any more - nothing to sell.

Oooh, add to it that they get their own personal loot scaling nerf. All items become scaled, including rares, greens, etc. Also, they become permanently banned from typing in Local chat ever again.

The next inevitable step, it is.

Since my first reply was deleted, I'll try again.

Are you serious? How can you possibly suggest something that stupid. The game has been like this for over 2 years, and NOW you are suggesting erasing inventories? This is the worst idea, from anyone, about anything. You should be banned from posting suggestions.

If you look at it that way, then people should get their experience erased for farming the same place again and again.

As I said on my deleted post, until Anet fix trading (which apparently they wont), it will remain in its current form. In that AD1 is trade central, and that spam is just something you have to accept. Erasing inventories will just bring rage.

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by fenix

Since my first reply was deleted, I'll try again.

Are you serious? How can you possibly suggest something that stupid. The game has been like this for over 2 years, and NOW you are suggesting erasing inventories? This is the worst idea, from anyone, about anything. You should be banned from posting suggestions.

If you look at it that way, then people should get their experience erased for farming the same place again and again.

As I said on my deleted post, until Anet fix trading (which apparently they wont), it will remain in its current form. In that AD1 is trade central, and that spam is just something you have to accept. Erasing inventories will just bring rage.

Fenix, I was going to leave a very sarcastic post, but I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt that I wasn't clear in my intentions and let you know, I agree.

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Cool

I was pointing it out, because currently the spam-ban system is horrible. As you probably read, lots of players got banned for weird 'spamming'. As in, writing a message a couple of times before moving onto another town, etc.

So if people had inventories erased for that.....it'd be horrible.

Miral · Jun 06, 2007, 10:55 AM // 10:55

what people were banned for, and what they claim to be banned for, are usually two different animals. people say a couple times, they really mean 20 times in 20 seconds. its not always the case, there may be a couple that actually only repeated message a couple times, but mostly the people were probably the malignant spammers that just spam for the sake of spamming (20 messages in rapid succession whether anyone else is saying anything or not)

Carboplatin · Jun 06, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

they did fix it. loot scale and HM prevents anything from being sold.

Miral · Jun 06, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

they did fix it. loot scale and HM prevents anything from being sold.

and yet.... still constant spamming. try again.

MSecorsky · Jun 06, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Simply the most effective method mentioned so far is to remove the up-arrow option from chats. I'd even go as far as to say to remove it completely, not just from local chat. Then it wouldn't be so painful to leave the trade chat on and I might actually see something I'm interested in.

No 'up arrow', no spam. Simple, surgical and sanitary.

freekedoutfish · Jun 07, 2007, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Simply the most effective method mentioned so far is to remove the up-arrow option from chats. I'd even go as far as to say to remove it completely, not just from local chat. Then it wouldn't be so painful to leave the trade chat on and I might actually see something I'm interested in.

No 'up arrow', no spam. Simple, surgical and sanitary.

So if you go AFK and come back, how do you check all the previous conversations that you missed? It would make conversations too difficult to track. It would be punishing the innocent to punish the rule breakers.

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 07, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

The system is fine as it is. Really, GW has been out for more than two years now and we've all put up with it. If you have a problem with it turn your chats off and sell your stuff here- it's that simple.

Patrick Smit · Jun 07, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

The system is fine as it is. Really, GW has been out for more than two years now and we've all put up with it. If you have a problem with it turn your chats off and sell your stuff here- it's that simple.

Yes, the system is good enough, no don't turn chats of, turn of the spammers instead (especially don't turn em on, you don't wanna know what they will spam), then the system would be closer to perfection. Selling here si a slow process, and i do it with some object that i think are worth it, much more gets merchandised now as you can't reach the potential customers anyway.