Curse

Gli · Jun 16, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

#1 those skills arent that powerful.
#2 It doesnt matter anyway.

You chose materials/gold instead of a title and now you want both while the people that chose the title are screwed over? NO. Give me a stack of amber and jade and reset the price to 1k each at the trader which is the price they were when I donated the majority of my faction and I'll go along with it. Short of that, I'm screwed over while everyone else gets both sides.

Who cares about the title? The real issue are the skills and a decent way to obtain them. There has to be a better way than endless grind. If I started today and did nothing except PvE farming in Factions, I wouldn't even have a moderate level in one of those titles before GW2 hits the market. Even if they did retroactively add the 160k I spent on amber to the title track.

The current mechanism is absolutely atrocious.

Kool Pajamas · Jun 16, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

You dont NEED those skills! You can complete the game just fine without them! You are not entitled to have those skills. If you want them work for them. Obviously the OP cares about the title because he wants the title without having to do anything to get it.

Karlos · Jun 16, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Everyone who keeps saying "You decided to get Amber and Jade while they decided to donate to thir guild/alliance" is missing one VERY important point:

People who used their faction for Amber/Jade/Scrolls did NOT know it was going to come back and be useful in PvE. It is EXTREMELY unfair for ANet to:

a) Link these PvE skills to Allegiance Rank
b) Change it so that even cashing for Jade/Amber/Scrolls/Skills counts as allegiance donation.
c) and then NOT count Faction earned by those guy who never knew about this.

The combination of the three is OBVIOSULY an injustice, anyway you look at this. This would be equivalent to ANet adding a title based on total deaths and then giving it a significant effect in PvE (the higher the rank the more likely you are to get gold drops). If players KNEW then you could fault them, but they did not know and saying it's their fault that ANet changed the rules is ridiculous.

This is coming from a player with 2.5 million faction who has donated all but 50k of his faction. I am not one of the amber people, im one of the FFFing crew. I just think the majority of players got bamboozled.

Gli · Jun 16, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

You dont NEED those skills! You can complete the game just fine without them! You are not entitled to have those skills. If you want them work for them. Obviously the OP cares about the title because he wants the title without having to do anything to get it.

I don't need those skills. Of course I don't need those skills.

"Look here's free new content, but you don't need it so you'll never see it unless you play like your life depended on it."

I don't need to play the effing game if that's the answer.

Kool Pajamas · Jun 16, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

And I get bamboozled for the SAME reason! I didnt know these would come out either. And if I knew I would eventually be able to get the title while also spending every faction on amber/jade I would have done so. Your points are NULL.

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Like I said in the thread in sardelac, a big NO for me.

While all those people would be getting their title for turning in amber/jade, all those people that decided to go for the title instead would be screwed out of getting amber/jade. I decided I would rather have the title than amber/jade and you decided you would rather have amber/jade than the title. Now you expect to get both while I only get the title? HELL NO.

You are right in that I did choose amber and jade over a title. but I did not knowingly choose them over pve skills, now did I? I never even used any of the jade i got, just bought em to clear the pathetically low 10k limit. i'll tell ya what, you keep your title, but give up the pve skills. give those to me, and you can have my jade and amber. fair, yes? you get title and jade and amber and I just get a couple measly little skills?

Niila · Jun 16, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

You dont NEED those skills! You can complete the game just fine without them! You are not entitled to have those skills. If you want them work for them. Obviously the OP cares about the title because he wants the title without having to do anything to get it.

For your previous post: Some players gave faction to alliance, because they wanted to have towns, others bought rare materials. Both of them had their own benefit, but the difference here is that former is getting the skills while latter isn't.

And yeah, surely over 1 million farmed kurzick faction means I haven't done enough for the pve-skills yet?

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

lets just take the whole title thing out of the picture. no one cares about the title itself. lets take the faction pve skills, and base them off of something else entirely, yes? I'm sur ethey can think of something a bit more fair. And hell if they can't, then as a last resort just link them to virtual character level (amount of xp) or number of skill points you have earned. thats fair, ya?

or: let everyone buy em and have the effect intensity based on the class's primary attributes. ya, thanks for playing right?

Karlos · Jun 16, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

And I get bamboozled for the SAME reason! I didnt know these would come out either. And if I knew I would eventually be able to get the title while also spending every faction on amber/jade I would have done so. Your points are NULL.

There's some logic for you. Just cause I can somehow prove that I TOO got shammed... That means the others have no right to demand a change. Uhhh, ok.

Oh, you were tricked, but not bamboozled, they got bamboozled. At the end of the day, you worked hard and got a RANK. They worked hard and got NOTHING. Then ANet turned around and said, they could have gotten something for it, the same thing they did before, nothing different. You still have a high rank in allegiance titles compared to them.

Neo Nugget · Jun 16, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Miral

lets just take the whole title thing out of the picture. no one cares about the title itself. lets take the faction pve skills, and base them off of something else entirely, yes? I'm sur ethey can think of something a bit more fair. And hell if they can't, then as a last resort just link them to virtual character level (amount of xp) or number of skill points you have earned. thats fair, ya?

or: let everyone buy em and have the effect intensity based on the class's primary attributes. ya, thanks for playing right?

Well, i dont think i would even bother getting the skills i rank 1 was still 250k, but the title is 100k which i would not mind having. I would like to get both if i can. Mainly because i like getting different account wide titles.

J snukka · Jun 16, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I'm not goin to read this thread, so if my point has already been said, then sorry. I find those who agree/feel the same way as the OP ridiculous. Open you eyes and realize that ANET is doing this to encourage more game play. sorry you can't have things handed over to you. so stop being lazy and farm more. enjoy killing the foes. if you are bored of doing alliance battles or killing foes than dont play the damn game. stop complaining and appreciate that anet did something great for us and to bring back people to play in Cantha again.

btw: i am one of those players that put faction all in jade/amber and have to farm 60k more to get rank 1. you dont see me complaining. I'm just going to deal with it and have fun killing for faction.

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by J snukka

I'm not goin to read this thread, so if my point has already been said, then sorry. I find those who agree/feel the same way as the OP ridiculous. Open you eyes and realize that ANET is doing this to encourage more game play. sorry you can't have things handed over to you. so stop being lazy and farm more. enjoy killing the foes. if you are bored of doing alliance battles or killing foes than dont play the damn game. stop complaining and appreciate that anet did something great for us and to bring back people to play in Cantha again.

btw: i am one of those players that put faction all in jade/amber and have to farm 60k more to get rank 1. you dont see me complaining. I'm just going to deal with it and have fun killing for faction.

what it promotes is a forced gameplay style, just like you said.... "hey we're gunna add these new skills that you can use in any PvE setting, but here's the deal, we're only gunna let you use em if you farm a lot and donate everything you earn to the psuedo-pvp that is alliance wars."

Shadis · Jun 16, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by J snukka

I'm not goin to read this thread, so if my point has already been said, then sorry. I find those who agree/feel the same way as the OP ridiculous. Open you eyes and realize that ANET is doing this to encourage more game play. sorry you can't have things handed over to you. so stop being lazy and farm more. enjoy killing the foes. if you are bored of doing alliance battles or killing foes than dont play the damn game. stop complaining and appreciate that anet did something great for us and to bring back people to play in Cantha again.

btw: i am one of those players that put faction all in jade/amber and have to farm 60k more to get rank 1. you dont see me complaining. I'm just going to deal with it and have fun killing for faction.

You've missed the point entirely. It's not so much that we have to grind for this title now, it's that we were given ZERO indication that these titles would be useful. All we heard were "New Sunspear Skills". There was no mention of possible Kurzick/Luxon skills tied to that useless title. The requirements are insane as it is considering nothing you do will raise the maximum Faction limit for those two. 10k is all you get, no matter what. That's where this anger is coming from.

A little warning would've gone a long way.

Neo Nugget · Jun 16, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Didnt they already do this kinda this when the hero title track was introduced with factions? If you got fame in HA, then when factions came out it got put in the title track. Pretty much the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Shadis

You've missed the point entirely. It's not so much that we have to grind for this title now, it's that we were given ZERO indication that these titles would be useful. All we heard were "New Sunspear Skills". There was no mention of possible Kurzick/Luxon skills tied to that useless title. The requirements are insane as it is considering nothing you do will raise the maximum Faction limit for those two. 10k is all you get, no matter what. That's where this anger is coming from.

A little warning would've gone a long way.

Yeah mainly because last week was AB bonus weekend lol.

Guild Terror · Jun 16, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

when i cashed in faction, i got amber

why? because the title was so far away, yet, does noting except let you wear it, my guild never needed faction. i dont care for a plain title that does nothing, however, a bit of extra cash from selling amber seemed nice. if i knew that the title would get me great pve skills, i wouldnt care for the extra bit of cash

Lysander Freeman · Jun 16, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Fossa

IIRC these "righteous" kept Cavalon and HZH elite missions locked down for a month or so, causing such hatred that one alliance had to have an official ambassador on the forums to handle public relations. Righteous my ass, they donated the faction to get something out of it, town control. Don't paint them up as some sort of angels.

I felt like quoting this again, since people keep on insisting that getting Amber was "greedy" while donating faction was somehow... "not greedy" and wasn't *meant* to be beneficial to the player...

Patrick Smit · Jun 16, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Miral

no actually my amber and jade are still sitting in my storage unused. both alliance faction and jade were useless to me so I just picked one to empty out the 10k faction limit and went with it. and now here later because i picked A and not B all those months ago, I get punished for it... i don't give a flying pregnant nun about the title, just want access to the pve skills. if they suddenly made the faction skills so it went off of how much jade you bought instead of how much you gave to alliance, would you be bitching? I'm fairly certain you would. hell you're bitching at just the thought of someone who isn't hardcore into alliance wars getting your epeen title...

Nah the title was not such a big case for me, I needed the money neither and we owned for some time a town.. But, the deal was clearly set in the beginning, we didnt get amber or jadeite, but we got rewarded by progress on the title track. U choose differently and wanted more "solid" reward, materials/money.

I am not bitching, but I don't see why u should be rewarded twice, and we wouldnt get any jadeite or amber we missed out on. You don't hear us complaining right now, do you? Just accept the consequences of your decision and start getting faction in your account.

Takeko Nakano · Jun 16, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

FYI, I sold hardly any jade/amber for money. Most of it went on armour for my characters.

So why am I greedy? Because I didn't join a farming guild/alliance that spent all their time getting faction? I'm as much entitled to points on the title track as anyone in one of those guilds. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the objection to this proposal comes from the latter group who want to keep the faction titles as "exclusive" as possible for as long as possible.

reddswitch · Jun 16, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Don't have time to read through all the pages. If they didn't give factions for amber now there'd be less arguments for it. For my own selfish reason I'd agree for the total to be reflected as my allegiance rank but the changes for this weekend made the total unreliable. These kurzick/luxon skills aren't too big a deal anyway. I probably don't have room to fit one in most of the time.

Aera Lure · Jun 16, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Takeko Nakano

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the objection to this proposal comes from the latter group who want to keep the faction titles as "exclusive" as possible for as long as possible.

No. Its in the interests of fairness. Its not right to have retroactivity benefit those who chose to redeem for amber and jadite for monetary return before the changes also get the benefits from the title track now, while those who did not redeem only get the benefits from the title track.

Cant have it both ways. If you wish to even open a discussion of retroactivity, you need to compensate those who dontated for the title track a lump sum of the average cost of amber or jade, for everything they donated. Anet would reimburse them directly in gold for all of that faction the average cost of amber or jadite per every 1k faction they dontated. Only then is retroactivity fair.

Otherwise, its fair as currently implemented.