Curse

greenthumb · Jun 16, 2007, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

We got anywhere up to 5-6 plat for each of those amber/jade chunks back in the day, whereas the people (at least the vast majority that weren't in town owning guilds) that opted to put that faction to their title got nothing except the title itself.

5-6 platinum each? That must've been for a short period of time though, maybe at the very beginning. I remember a good period of time when prices settled at about 2K for each amber and jade was generally less than that. Prices have been consistently dropping since then and have bottomed out now to some very low prices. At some point, if players knew about these skills, many players probably would've opted for investing in the title ranks rather than amber/jade.

In any event, no one previously regardless of how they spent their faction knew of these other benefits associated with faction and therefore could not factor that into their decision as to how to spend their faction. It's a windfall for those who got the titles for other reasons (they didn't invest their faction in those titles for these skills), and those who spent their faction elsewhere will feel disenfranchised (this is even more so the more dedicated the player is as they will have earned more faction).

It's great that ANet is coming out with these new additions, but it's insane to do it in a manner that upsets their most dedicated customers. ANet really should think this through. They are creating a crazy lottery system in how players are spending their time on titles by attaching these benefits to existing titles after a substantial period of time; these are titles which require substantial grinding. Players are going to be upset by this, and they are justified in being upset.

It's understandable that ANet wants to add new value and excitement to GW Factions, but ANet should do more to reward their dedicated players who already earned those "rewards" previously to the extent that ANet can do so.

Something also to consider in this specific case, much of the faction rewards are earned through doing quests in the normal course of PvE gameplay which their existing players may have already completed, and those quests would no longer be available to provide that faction (other than those repeatable quests). The big faction rewards are not in the repeatable quests. In a sense, new players would actually have an advantage in amassing faction quickly over the existing, dedicated players.

Nice gesture, but simply insane.

upier · Jun 16, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by GodofAcid

Sorry folks, but I have to agree with him. You decided to spend your faction on jade or amber, and that was what you got out of that. You knew when you spent that faction that was what you were getting out of it, and now you want the new titles that came out yesterday because had you spent your faction in another way, you'd have that title. You got your reward which was the amber/jade, knowing full well that was how it worked at the time. Now that it's changed, I don't think the new rules should be applied to the past. No offense, just how I feel.

then why not have a completely NEW title for it then?
you know - you donated to get the title or to have access to the elite missions or to own a town so why should you get the skills as a bonus?
why shouldn't we ALL start from 0?

why be nice to other players if i am not getting anything out of it?

Orphan Anthem · Jun 16, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

please, your getting a bit offtrack, this thread is about getting the bonus from purchasing amber pre update to count twords title

GodofAcid · Jun 16, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by upier

why be nice to other players if i am not getting anything out of it?

Is this really how you think? If it is, I feel sorry for you.

Sorry you're disappointed, read my other post. I was disappointed when that happened too. Pretty much the same situation, I could have gotten more for my dollar, but I didn't know that. It happens. You gotta learn to deal with it. Look at it this way: From now on, if you want to trade your faction in for amber/jade, you'll receive the reward of that also going toward your title. That's something you didn't have in the past. There's a positive here if you can look past what could have been.

All I'm saying is that we all had a choice to make - use faction for material, or use faction for our alliance/title. By your logic, I ought to be given a piece of jade or amber for every 1k that I used for my title. After all, you're no longer happy with the choice you selected, you now want both rewards. I'm not going to hold your hand here, you realize the flaw in that logic. That's all I have to say on this subject, so I wish you guys the best.

Gli · Jun 16, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

If they don't make some kind of change, they might as well not have bothered with these skills, because the minority of people who'll ever use them at a respectable level will be small enough to be insignificant.

Traveller · Jun 16, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Since the new faction rewards guy gives points towards the allegiance title form jade/amber as well, I don't see why this wouldn't happen. After all, all the titles came to be retroactive.

Orphan Anthem · Jun 16, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

yeah i truly have hope because they do keep track of the number that we can see some return. the only question is them coming up with a forumla to distinguish given to guild from made into amber

Pwny Ride · Jun 16, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

/signed

i would not at all be supprised if this would be changed, considering that fact that the new implemented skills are basically a test to see whether players like the skills.

I mean remember when DwG had the armor penetration bug? They fixed it to 20AP, then down to 10, because it was something that the players had discussed and had decided by majority on the forums. So really, i think a-net would be silly not to implement this change.

We just need to see how it all pans out.

darktyco · Jun 16, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

/signed more than anything else except heroes using SS skills

Rone · Jun 16, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

I agree that something retroactive needs to be done for accounts. Since faction could be earned by any character and exchanged for jade/amber, faction credit should be given (especially since that is how its being done now).

So, please A-Net, please consider giving players' accounts retroactive credit for past effort.

Niila · Jun 16, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds

/Signed

But probaly not gonna happen... Looks at wisdom and treasure hunter title :[
And if you think ppl in big alliance got nothing for those factions donated.. they have accsess to merchants with lower prices if they own a town, not to mention that a lot of them also ferried for donations.

Except for example kurzick faction title track knows exactly how much faction you have acquired on your account, when nothing counts the amount of chests you have opened before the title update.

As for other people saying "You made your choice to buy amber"
No, we didn't know back then that we would need title for good pve-skills, and as from this point on you get title by buying amber, why not to count the amber we bought before?

KamikazeChicken · Jun 16, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

People who didn't have a guild got screwed.
People who weren't in a guild/alliance trying to hold a town got screwed.
People who guest to play on the other side because they enjoy those players better (or friends) got screwed.
People who only seem to enjoy faction grind got rewarded.

Anyone trying to say that the poor people holding towns didn't get to sell jade/amber can take a nice look at how they're selling lockpicks for profit. They get discounts that more than pay for what they lost in potential jade/amber. They also got the joy of farming faction to hold a town! It's not like people do things they get zero satisfaction from.

I'd like to see the title changed, but I'm honestly not in a position to deeply care. I only play monk in PvE, and the Kurzick skill is just a buffed Divine Spirit that won't trigger Deny or allow self casts. I'd probably care a bit more if I played other professions though (Dervish comes to mind).

upier · Jun 16, 2007, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by GodofAcid

Is this really how you think? If it is, I feel sorry for you.

Sorry you're disappointed, read my other post. I was disappointed when that happened too. Pretty much the same situation, I could have gotten more for my dollar, but I didn't know that. It happens. You gotta learn to deal with it. Look at it this way: From now on, if you want to trade your faction in for amber/jade, you'll receive the reward of that also going toward your title. That's something you didn't have in the past. There's a positive here if you can look past what could have been.

no worries - ill deal with it.
if this stays i prolly will never use the luxon skills. no worries here since i am not the biggest fan of pve-only skills.
i just feel that the game WOULD be better off if if the old gained faction was taken into account.
that's my whole point - i could have been selfish and said because i don't like the skills that the first tier might as well be raised!
but the point is - skills shouldn't be vanity items. they shouldn't be something that you need to grind for. they aren't that pretty sword that has the stats of the cheapest collectors sword but shines in pink instead of blue!
let players play the game - at least on the basic level - and NOT work for it!
its about not being the biggest selfish twat but rather do something that might work for others!
look at the numbers - ppl have 300k faction.
and max tier is 10 mil!
will this devaluate the title?
nope!
will this make a bunch of players happy?
yes!
or to quote you:

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Originally Posted by GodofAcid

but deep down you know right from wrong. You know what I'm saying makes sense.

and is what i meant with my remake before.
you know - everyone that doesnt have the title could just start screaming that we want a NEW title so that NO ONE will have the skills now.
do you see us doing that?
no - its rather trying to come up with a solution that might be the least negative!

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by GodofAcid

Sorry folks, but I have to agree with him. You decided to spend your faction on jade or amber, and that was what you got out of that. You knew when you spent that faction that was what you were getting out of it, and now you want the new titles that came out yesterday because had you spent your faction in another way, you'd have that title. You got your reward which was the amber/jade, knowing full well that was how it worked at the time. Now that it's changed, I don't think the new rules should be applied to the past. No offense, just how I feel.

Let me tell you guys a true story - I usually buy my games online. I went online to see how much Nightfall was, 50 bucks at the time for the standard edition. I went out that day and saw the collectors edition on the shelf for 60 bucks, so I decided to buy it instead of waiting for the delivery time. Literally 1 or 2 days after I bought it, I found the price where I shop online had gone from $50 to $25. That's life. I didn't go back to the store and demand that they give me money back since the price had been cut in half where I would have bought the game online. If I had gone back to the store where I bought the game and found that it had gone on sale the next day, I would not have asked that they apply the sale price to my copy and refund some of my money. You guys are disappointed, fine, but deep down you know right from wrong. You know what I'm saying makes sense.

i dunno where you shop, but the stores I buy games at have a 30 day price guarantee, and will match an advertised price no questions asked if you show the ad. sooo i guess your anecdote kinda goes towards making it retroactive?

Every time i lag · Jun 16, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

/signed /signed /signed^=p

The Legg · Jun 16, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

ok would be nice but those of us that played the factions preview weekend event and played around with both luxon and kurzick faction and transfering some of it to our account ended up with a few thousand faction of each. The problem with this is that in the preview event the faction we earnt was much smaller than the faction we can now submit, running into single digits.

At the moment I have 1,315,351 luxon faction on my account. If anet make this the amount of luxon faction I have towards my title then there would be no way to have a rounded 10 mil to max this title.

So my suggestion is simple, make it retroactive for sure ( a great idea ) but limit this retroactive gain to the thousands and not below please.

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by The Legg

ok would be nice but those of us that played the factions preview weekend event and played around with both luxon and kurzick faction and transfering some of it to our account ended up with a few thousand faction of each. The problem with this is that in the preview event the faction we earnt was much smaller than the faction we can now submit, running into single digits.

At the moment I have 1,315,351 luxon faction on my account. If anet make this the amount of luxon faction I have towards my title then there would be no way to have a rounded 10 mil to max this title.

So my suggestion is simple, make it retroactive for sure ( a great idea ) but limit this retroactive gain to the thousands and not below please.

heh well a simple solution to that would be if you have 9,999,991 earned faction, have the next faction gain just fill it... i mean, thats what it does if you have 9800 unspent faction and then win an AB for 1500 faction, itll give you the 200 faction and the rest just dissipates... or another even more likely solution would be to let the faction amount go over 10,000,000 earned, but just not have any new ranks above that. (like how you can get over 100% cartographer)

Orphan Anthem · Jun 16, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

id be happy with just the first rank personally im not asking for much but i feel i was screwed out by turning my faction into amber pre this update

-Loki- · Jun 16, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

They don't need to retroactively grant faction. Just make it count faction earned, not faction used. They can't hide 10k faction (woooo, 10k faction towards 10 million cap!) because the faction they are holding counts to faction used anyway.

frojack · Jun 16, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I really doubt this would happen. Would be nice though since I have about a million faction spent on amber _-_.