Curse

Melei Hawke · Jun 22, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by Recon_Alpha

If Anet can't add an auction house, how about a town/out post that is strictly for selling items (i.e. no exits). If they add an exit, just add a small area...like a room….so you can show weapons and such.

This way both all and trade chat can be used.

BTW...anyone thinking that the trade channel or party search is the all answer to trading in GW, you’re crazy. This is why I haven't sold anything in a couple of months. It's a bad system and it sucks having to enter your text, hit enter, wait a couple of seconds, up arrow hit enter. Rinse and repeat until you sell what you're trying to sell, if you can.

We know that this will not happen, A-net will not be giving you your own town for seller/buyers. Even if they did there would be sellers in all the other towns and districts. Spammers used to say that "everyone knows that D1 of the major towns are trade districts" but they did not limit themselves to just those districts...they spilled over into every district, town and outpost spamming their crap. There was virtually no town in the game that you could go to avoid the spammers.

I have every expectation that the sellers will figure out a way to sell their wares using the tools they have been provided. Spam will not be a part of that solution...

Patrick Smit · Jun 22, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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Originally Posted by Elnai

I made jokes about the complainers and the people who now act as little mods. I got banned, gg.

So you were spamming before? Or its just a rude joke of ANet?

NOI, but I ASK people when they spam if they could please stop it, as it speeds up the scroll speed, and is unfair to non spamming sellers. Furthermore I provide them with a link to the EULA where it is quite well put that spamming is not wanted. I'm not acting as a mod, I can't as i have no rights to ban you or whatever, BUT as a player I have every right to say to people that they are misbehaving, and that is asocial to ones that are behaving correctly. It's an immatures joke about an adult, but they really don't get the point of rules, effectively making them a joke themselves, a bad one that is.

Fril Estelin · Jun 22, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Reading some people here, I've got the impresssion that there is a game in the game ... this is only a virtual economy guys!

WetWookie · Jun 22, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

It is really hard to read anything in the trade channel when it's displaying 20 messages a second.

I think a trade filter would work wonders.

Commander Ryker · Jun 22, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Lol..this game gets better by the minute..

I expect they will do something about the text coloring. Gotta log in to see a spam free LA1

Edit: Still spam in LA1

Yeah there is. Here's my post from another thread about this.

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Originally Posted by me

I opened my chat screen to the total length of my screen (it's a 19 inch viewable) and sat in LA, AD1 last night for 15 minutes. I got 7 screen caps from those 15 minutes. I took one after the message from the original one disappeared.

I have noticed an absense of spammers in other area's so I know anet is doing what they said they would. I think if more people did what I did last night, for only 15 minutes, we could get rid of just about all of them and send the others a message.

MSecorsky · Jun 22, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!

Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat.

Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa

lyra_song · Jun 22, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!

Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat.

Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa

Thats just EVIL.

Levi Garett · Jun 22, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Melei is spot on. Coverage was always key for me when spamming to sell my items I/G (which wasn't often). Finding the right person for what your selling...otherwise it's just spamming over and over w/o any interest.

On another note it looks like this is our solution to the trading issue and we're stuck with it. With GWEN and GW2 around the corner I don't see them revamping the code to add in weaon mod, weapons, inscriptions (etc) auction systems or merchants. I guess it doesn't matter much anyways with the economy being so fubared.

Nekretaal · Jun 22, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!

Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat.

Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa

I'm playing a game right now where it costs 2k to post a message in local chat. (otherwise you have to be in earshot of the people who you want to hear the message) If you pay the 2k, the players in explorable areas will see the message (not just people in the town), and the message hits all districts.

So "pay-to spam" isnt an unheard of concept. And it seems to work. With Much fewer spam overall, and with wide coverage, people actually read your messages.

Of course this game also has auction house, so thats another reason why there is almost no trade spam.

Hyper.nl · Jun 23, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

I've always used trade channel to trade. And never really had problems. If <main city> dist 1 is too full, I cycle through other districts and my message gets read.

My point: If dist1 is too busy that your message gets hard to read, move on to other district or other city, and don't try spamming in general chat.

Kayelyyb · Jun 23, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

The fact of the matter is Anet is slowly nerfing the economy in guild wars.The first nerf to the economy was the inscribible weapons they took a req 9 15^50 deadbow valued over 100k and made them worthless. then they have a 3x gold drop weekend and a chest run weekend to flood the market with golds. a green drop to flood market with golds. they introduce loot scaling. and now this, prolly the final nail in the coffin for the guild wars economy. i used to be a decent seller in factions. but with the updatesi can't give my stuff away hardly.i wonder in when GW-EN releases if anyone will even be still playing this game???????

Patrick Smit · Jun 23, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

@Kayelyyb

They really didn't nerf the economy, they just made items more accesible to people with little money. You as a rich player making gold out of "exotic" items may not like it. I also sell stff and would like hight prices. But then I am also a consumer, so when stuff gets more available due craftability, or lower prices I encourage that too.

The economy didn't get nerfed, it got improved. Why it is improved? Because there is more trade now, and economy is usually based on amount of transaction being done and how much money is involved in that. In this way we dont have to accumulate 100+ platinum + X ecto's before we can buy stuff. So finally more money will change owner.

They may have nerfed your little MICRO economy, but they have made major improvements to the MACRO economy.

dancing gnome · Jun 23, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

The local chat channel was never for trade chat. I've always hated not being able to look for a group for quests etc without being spammed with WTS all the time. People don't use the search function AT ALL. Most towns won't even have a single post in it which is rediculous. WTB ecto 5.4k - is that hard to put in the search function? A-Net tried to make trading easier for people and I for one was very excited when it came out but no-one uses it - it's frustrating. Keep trade chat in the trade channel - if we dont wan't to listen to your "WTS" spam ruining the local channel its our right not to. One channel is adequate enough. Perhaps if they implemented the ability to change the colour of trade chat text to add varryation but deffinitly dont let them back into local chat. Use the search function before complaining - it's there for a reason and is not as bad as people say it is. Make the adjustment and move one, we don't want the spam.

bryann380 · Jun 23, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

It's sad how so many people have the mentality of "other MMO's have an auction house, why can't Guild Wars have one?". Simple... GW is not meant to be like other MMO's. Just because they had features which were really popular, such as an auction house, doesn't mean GW has to have them too.

There's nothing wrong with the current trading system, in my opinion. The spammers are the real problem. And for those complaining about not being able to sell stuff, maybe that's because no one is interested in buying it. Common sense...

Mr_Cynical · Jun 23, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

The requirement to use the trade channel shouldn't really hurt your sales. Here's a little tip: people who have the trade channel turned off don't want to trade!. I have made enquiries to three, legitimate ingame traders who advertised their items using the appropriate channel - all in ten minutes while waiting for a guildie. Why? Because I was interested in buying an item (ended up not buying, because they didn't have what I wanted, but I digress). Guild Wars with tradespam filter is not any worse for trading than Guild Wars withouttradespamfilter. Three cheers for Anet!

hallomik · Jun 24, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

First of all, I don't spam. Never have, never will.

Second, Spam is very annoying.

However, player to player trading is in a sorry state. Killing the spam has made it tougher for buyers and sellers to come together.

The basic problem, as I've posted many times in the past, is that a seller needs to attract the attention of a potential buyer. Putting the trade channel in a non-descript, background blending color is like trying to sell peanuts at a ballgame by politely whispering to the crowd. The trade channel needs a vibrant, eye-catching color.

It's a very, very similar problem with the party search. Everyone says we need to increase the character count and people will start using it. Sorry, but everyone is stoned if they think that's going to fix it. Nobody uses party search because lots and lots of potential buyers don't even think to click on it in the first place.

If there is something to read on the party search menu, there must be something to indicate that fact or people will never click on it to begin with. Once people beging clicking, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. As soon as it's easier to trade with party search than with the trade channel, people will switch to it.

Burning Blade · Jun 24, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

I dont even remember the last time I was selling stuff. Too difficult that's not worth your effort to try unless you have uber rare items that can easily sell for 100K+

Went to Kamadan D1 today, stood there fore like 10 min and not a single message was seen in Local Chat, only trading texts from trade chanel were there. They are very difficult to see and they move fast too, as fast as when there were spams, making it even more difficult to read.

Solution:
- Make char name text and chat text in Trade Chanel different colors
- Change color of the chat text in the trade chanel to brighter color.
- Increase the letter cap in Trade Search window

Sarevok Thordin · Jun 24, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

If people WANT to buy something, they will goto the trade channel. Enough said.

drago34 · Jun 24, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I think it's good the economy is finally slowing down, the game was never meant to have stuff go for 100k + ectos. There is a reason why you can only carry so much gold. Although I do think it is WAY too late to make a difference but oh well, maybe the economy will work out from the start with GW2.

On that note. Just use trade channel like your supposed to. Maybe Anet will fix the search option some time soon and let you put more text into it but until then just stick to trade... It is the channels name so maybe your supposed to use it... Oh wait never mind your supposed to spam local... Whoa that was a close one I almost suggested using the correct channel to sell something.