Curse

Hazard the Horrible · Jun 21, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Spamming ruins it for everyone else. If I see someone spamming like crazy for something I'm not interested in, I turn off whatever chat channel the spam is in, and by doing that, I eliminate the possibility of seeing something that I might be interested in, therefore, lack of spam = good for sales. And the more someone spams, the less inclined I am to buy their product.

Longasc · Jun 21, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Lack of spam = Bad for sales?

This is stupid.

Spamming does not promote sales. The constant spamming could rather cause people to turn off local completely.

And you do not sell crap nobody is interested in if you repeat it 10x in a row.

Travel around, shout what you are selling or stand in town and enter your offer in the P window. Everything else is counter-productive.

And for admitting to use local, to bother people who switched off trade, you should be publicly banned as showcase, how about that?

Patrick Smit · Jun 21, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

Like the lack of a normal trade system wasn't annoying enough, Anet just made the current system even worse.

Yes, it was spam, but it was the only way to sell anything within this stupid system.

BS, I only used PS and trade to sell, even the most stupid stuff i can sell, just have to wait for potential clients somehow. They will not always be around.

DreamWind · Jun 21, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

EH...maybe if Anet made a decent trade system we wouldn't have this problem. Killing local chat is a joke...why not just make a better trade system instead of forcing people to use means that are worse than they already were.

Cymmina · Jun 21, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

I have NEVER bought anything from anyone advertising in local, even if I really wanted it because it was a good price. If I want something, I go to LA/Kamadan/Kaineng, turn off local and turn on trade, and pray I don't miss what I want to buy because of idiots that think "advertising" every 2 seconds is the way to sell.

Spammers in local only forced me to turn off local chat all the time. It's refreshing to see local chat as chat and not spam once again (something I haven't seen since beta/shortly after launch). Now if only something could be done about the naked dancers in Balthazar's temple...

Andisa Kalorn · Jun 21, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

If this change has hurt sales, I haven't seen it. I sold a bunch of items yesterday with no problems at all. I did what I usually did - use party search and put a message in trade chat every now and then. I didn't have to drop my prices at all. And in some cases I sold things within two messages advertising them.

And if you're having problems... maybe try READING the trade chat instead of lowering prices? If you're selling or buying a popular item such as ectos, there's usually someone else advertising that they want to buy or sell them too. Sometimes I think the problem is that everyone is too busy spamming and expecting others to read their messages.

But yeah, the colour in trade chat NEEDS to be changed.

Enix · Jun 21, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

So the problem isn't with the trade channel, its with the lack of interested customers? People know where to go if they want something. Give people a couple months and they will start slowly turning the trade channel back on, then you will sell your wares.

I welcome the fix. It seems like there are more real people playing GW now, rather than trade spamers.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 21, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

ROFL, now even the spammers are whining.

Series · Jun 21, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toutatis

no customer wants it rammed down their throat.

Ahahaahahahahahaahahaahaahahaha!!!

hahahahaaha!

ha...

...what?

majoho · Jun 21, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I love the change, good job Anet.

The argumen that no one seems to read the trade channel is maybe because people aren't interested in buying anything!

At least now EVERYONE will know where to look when they wanna trade.

Problem solved.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 21, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

No spam = no sales??? I don't think so. I never had a problem selling things in the trade channel, and never spammed there, either. There are many reasons why people have a hard time selling things. The ones I can think of right off the top of my head are:
1. They've set their prices too high.
2. They're spamming. I know LOTS of people who will not do business with spammers.
3. They're using ALL CAPS. Another thing that will drive away customers.
4. The thing they're trying to sell is junk.
5. They're spamming. That'll get people turning off any chat channel.
6. They use vulgar language in their posts. (Rare, but it happens)

As for the Party Search feature - It needs to be used more. The excuse that "There's not enough space..." isn't a good one in many cases. Some of the many things that CAN fit in the window are:

1. S: ectos 5K
2. S: Victo's Axe - 12K
3. B: Deldrimore steel - 675g ea
4. S: Mini Gwen - 100K + 100 ectos
5. S: Elemental sword, PM for details.

When it comes to common type weapons, then use the trade chat. The one thing that no one has mentioned that gives party search an edge over the chat channels is that it doesn't scroll !!!

One trick I use is selling one thing in the Party search and another one or three in trade chat. The only, minor, drawback to this is when you get someone saying "Can I see it?" but asking "See what?" usually clears that up.

The last bit of advice I can give is: Be patient. The dymanics of the trade "system" has changed and it's going to take a week or two for eveyone to get accustomed to it.

Nemo the Capitalist · Jun 21, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

loss of spam =why do i play this game

MrFuzzles · Jun 21, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

The only difference I see is that before, I had to mute local and trade whenever I entered town if I wanted to communicate with my guild or team. If this keeps up, I'll only have to mute trade.

The problem is that everyone thinks their sale is more important than everyone elses. It's a vicious cycle which makes people feel they "have" to spam because everyone else is spamming, causing the chat to move too fast.

I wouldn't mind different coloring for lines starting with WTS or WTB (though you'd still see people do "WT.S JADE ARMOR ______________________________________ ONLY 100K CHEAP ___________________", just to get that speshal third colour, I guess), but I definately think that moving all trade spam into (drumroll) trade channel is a good thing, even if it makes the trade channel move too fast. That is a separate problem that they'll have to deal with. Allowing people to trade in local channel is hardly a 'fix'.

tommarrow · Jun 21, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

You also have to realize that not every person playing the game goes to web sites like this one or goes to the main GW site to see the messages posted about changes. Some people don't even know there is a hard mode now.
ANet could do a better job about posting this stuff in game.
If you notice the only ones complaining about the change are the ones that would spam in local.

cebalrai · Jun 21, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Yeah, I'm having a much harder time selling things now. The GW economy is just sick in so many ways.

Racthoh · Jun 21, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Think we need a buying and selling tab for each instead of just trade if that hasn't been mentioned already.

Personally I hope more people move onto using the party search window. Whenever I zone into Kamadan, LA, etc.. I always take a quick peek at that window to see if anyone is selling anything I need. Best part being that it shows what is being sold in every district. Scroll at my leisure to see what is there, it's a great addition and hopefully with the enforcement on spam more people will see how useful that window is.

cebalrai · Jun 21, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

I wish more people used the party search tab as well. But really, it allows for only a couple dozen letters. That only covers a small fraction of what a lot of people want to sell, especially if you have to type things like "Forget me Not" which takes up half your space alone.

The tab is nowhere near sufficient.

cebalrai · Jun 21, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I wish more people used the party search tab as well. But really, it allows for only a couple dozen letters. That only covers a small fraction of what a lot of people want to sell, especially if you have to type things like "Forget me Not" which takes up half your space alone.

The tab is nowhere near sufficient.

ahem. · Jun 21, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Just use Party Channel window.

This is an awesome change that A-net made

Ruby Lightheart · Jun 21, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

ok..first off...trade is supposed to be in trade channel..not spamming across other channels..plain and simple. I am sorry if this has resulted in a loss of sales for you but it the trade channel was used properly then there wouldnt be a problem. Spaming of any type regardless of what channel is annoying. There should be some sort of way to catch someone and silence them if they send too many messages in the trade channel within a certain time frame. I have seen it done in other games so I know it can be done...its a matter of if Anet wants to do it.

Local/General chat should be sales free..to allow players to look for groups, share info , and chat. Before the trade spammers took over the local channel i used to enjoy chatting with other players. But sadly i had to turn off the channel due to the ungodly amount of trade spam.

Trade spammers got so bad, I only conduct trades through guru's auctions or guild members cause I refuse to buy something from a player whom gives me headaches with their spam