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Andisa Kalorn · Jun 29, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The "Kids will be kids arguement" is a bad one. Kids will be kids. But people promoting hate speech is not a "childish" action which I will turn the other check for. It's a felony.

Kids are not "naturally" immature and immoral. It's bad parenting. And a society that promotes such behaviour. Thus the rise of "road rage" and increasingly bratty kids. Anyone who works with kids will see that kids are getting more rude, along with their parents.

I'm not a kid anymore, but I never acted the way I see many kids act now. Because I was raised to be a better person than that (and no it didn't require beatings).

And yes, some of the bad behaviour does come from adults. I remember one day when some of the guildmates I had at the time, who were 40+ years old, decided it would be great fun to tell a bunch of racist jokes. Given that they lived in the southern states and they were insulting blacks... it was extremely offensive, even though I'm not black myself.

I still suspect that alot of the idiots in local channel are kids though. There's just certain things that they say that could only be said by someone about 13 years old.

Bryant Again · Jun 29, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

But you're not really in a position to penalize or punish them, all you can really do is yell back.

You'd be suprised how scared shitless kids get when you chastise them

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

Since most of them are just after attention in the first place...

o rly? I'm in MI, bro.

...Wait, are you talking about in Guild Wars or in real life? Because you can report people who talk like that in Guild Wars (hence why I said I don't take that kind of crap earlier in the thread). I do agree that kids just do it for attention in Guild Wars, and what's funny is they don't know how easy it is to get them in trouble.

Vinraith · Jun 29, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

I thought it was clear I meant in Guild Wars, clearly there ARE things you can do when they try this kind of thing in real life. Then again, RL degenerates are a whole different level than internet degenerates.

Patrick Smit · Jun 29, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Kids have a right to immature I guess, and it's nothing new, we see it all the time in real life nearly as much as online games. As Azagoth said, the real problem comes from none kid nut jobs, mainly invloving e-peen etc.

I'm 17, so I get to drag my teenage issues in with me.

You indeed have the right to be immature, however that does not mean you have the right to insult, and troll em until they react.

The internet's anonymity and the lack of retribution is the main "cause" for them being able to vent this behavior, as in real life they will get punished for it. I admire people who have an odd build and play it well, usually they don't say "pawn3d xxxxxxxxx" either when they have won from you, I dislike people who come with an unoriginal (buttonmashing) build and need to insult the hell out of u because they think its part of the game. No this behavior is also not allowed according the EULA as well. But chat channel policy is extremely limited, if not absent.

Amy Awien · Jun 29, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Age

It is very mature as when I grew up I got the strap or a slap in the face from my parents or even teachers.Teenagers are praticaly getting away with almost anything they can swear at their parents and act like they are amrter than those 20 years older than themselves.I would like to see their constitional rights revoked.Like it was for me.A principal hit me with pointer years ago.Adults can talk about kids any way they want.

And how are you not preaching hate now? The treatment you received has left you with anger and hate. Do you really want to see others mistreated like you were?

Surena · Jun 29, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Andisa Kalorn

Kids are not "naturally" immature and immoral. It's bad parenting. And a society that promotes such behaviour. Thus the rise of "road rage" and increasingly bratty kids. Anyone who works with kids will see that kids are getting more rude, along with their parents.

Modern Psychology disagrees. Certain traits and features are genetically manifested and cannot be altered by bad or good parenting. The "you're a product of your social environment" bullshit is old. People from families with a high level of social intelligence and parental caring (mind my English) can still suffer from "Neuroticism" and thus be very likely to express their instability through violence or hatred, drug abuse etc...

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And yes, some of the bad behaviour does come from adults. I remember one day when some of the guildmates I had at the time, who were 40+ years old, decided it would be great fun to tell a bunch of racist jokes. Given that they lived in the southern states and they were insulting blacks... it was extremely offensive, even though I'm not black myself.

If they were blacks insulting whites and thus you (if you're white) I am sure you'd be calm and not call it racism because you most likely suffer from guilt complexes.

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I still suspect that alot of the idiots in local channel are kids though. There's just certain things that they say that could only be said by someone about 13 years old.

A HEAVY percentage of GW's population is made up by younger people < 18 years but the other immature part is made up by retarded adults who misbehave in order to counterbalance whatever they lack in life.

Div · Jun 29, 2007, 07:48 AM // 07:48

This is the only place immature kids can express their immaturity without being really punished. They won't be able to talk about most of that stuff in school or in front of others, and they think just because they're behind a computer screen they are invincible (which in a sense, they are). They'll be able to trash talk you and try to bring you down to their pathetic level. That's how it's always been...

Shuuda · Jun 29, 2007, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

You indeed have the right to be immature, however that does not mean you have the right to insult, and troll em until they react.

Erm, I get the feeling your implying that I was trolling, so I'll be simple, I wasn't, or atleast wasn't intending. If it has something to do with that teenage remark, that's because I am 17, and just wanted to have a laugh at myself.

And I disagree with "Children are not naturally immature", Because doesn't immature mean to behave like a child or not grown up yet (As opposed to act stupid which most people believe), and it makes sense that children naturally behave like children. All young animals are immature, not just humans.

Skuld · Jun 29, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

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Originally Posted by Avarre

From my view... it's the internet. Taking anyone seriously unless you know they are worth taking seriously is a waste of effort, and only results in agitation.

My ignore list is empty, because I really don't care if people whine or flame at me, it's usually just amusing. Unless it's spam and is blocking my chat window, that's annoying.

Quoted for truth.

Etta · Jun 29, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

Ha! Kids. They'll get better when they're starting to notice the opposite sex or same sex, not to mention start drinking, doing drugs etc. Or when they get older and have to go to work, pay rent, taxes, bills. They'll have all of the real world craps to deal with just like the rest of us, the so call adult. So forget about it.

If you really bother about all of these punk ass kids in game. Just remember most of them never even been near the 3rd base yet, nevermind kissing a girl or boy.

Roshi_ikkyu · Jun 29, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

As an adult who plays GW, I find that the graphic comments that I hear in many locations is really uncalled for. I am not a prude by any means, but have learned there is no place in a public area for some of the things I see. I don't really see how it can be controlled short of constant screen shots and reporting to ANET.
Now I am assuming that most of this is coming from kids as I hope any adults would have a little more common sense. I know that this is not all young people for we have in our guild many very nice kids, but does anyone have any ideas on how to control the problem children?

I apologize, I may have mis-stated. I should said are immature people hurting the game. At my age (59) most all of you who play are kids, but noone should condone the type of conduct that some people think is cute or funny. I ask all of you who may be an offender or a condoner, would you talk like that in front of your family? In most cases I think not, if if you do shame on you and your family.

Solution turn local off. [i]As for the main element of your post, how dare you even consired attemtping to dictate. Shame on you, learn a lesson about free will.

Ignore the immature, turn chat off, but even attempt to dictate and you'll have my posts reading RED ENGINE line after line!

Amy Awien · Jun 29, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Surena

Modern Psychology disagrees.

Actually Modern Psychology doesn't disagree, environmental factors are crucial in the development. But you are free to post your sources, if you have any. Though this isn't really the place to delve in to these matters.

Shuuda · Jun 29, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Actually Modern Psychology doesn't disagree, environmental factors are crucial in the development. But you are free to post your sources, if you have any. Though this isn't really the place to delve in to these matters.

I'd say that behaviour is a combo of parenting and the society you live in. If everyone acted a certain way when you were growing up, then chances are you'll be infuenced by it in some way.

I think the topic title should be "Are Stupid kids hurting the game" because all kids are immature (By it's real meaning, it the insulting one which is being used in this thread). If kids were not immature, why do we have puberty? (Puberty being the bridge between being immature kid to mature adult) By my understanding Immature =/= stupidity

freekedoutfish · Jun 29, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

There is only really 2 ways they could deal with immature language...

1) Add an age restriction for the game (which would alienate a large portion of the community)
2) Put an parent filture into the software, which allowes parents to block foul lanauge from being seen or sent. Something which only they can turn on or off using a password.

But that relys on the parents being aware of what games they children play, and knowing they can lock it.

Add the end of the day, the responibility for how children behave, whether it be online or in person comes down the parents.

If you have a child playing an online game, where they talk to 100s of people and can be exposed to bad lanuage, then its your responsibility to stop them or observe them.

Its not Anets job to babysit young players, unless their actually breaking the terms of use.

Its no different to a parent buying their child an 18 rated game or film and then complaining it has graphic violence, sexual references and swearing in it.

Its also not JUST children who behave immature ingame and use bad lanuage. Alot of teenagers, and adults do it too. The kind of people who wouldnt say boo-to-a-goose in person because they would get linched! But online they suddenly find the courage to insult you because you cant see them or get your hands on them.

Its immature children and pathetic adults who need to use bad language in game and insult each other. People who have to boost their ego by upsetting others.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 29, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

Solution turn local off. [i]As for the main element of your post, how dare you even consired attemtping to dictate. Shame on you, learn a lesson about free will.

Ignore the immature, turn chat off, but even attempt to dictate and you'll have my posts reading RED ENGINE line after line!

Why should people have to alter their game play to allow something that is against the EULA. I think you have things a little skewed. The simple solution is for people to follow the rules and all would be well. I am not the one dictating, you signed an agreement to follow the rules, so just do it.

iridescentfyre · Jun 29, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Well, immature kids are nothing new in any online game, lest of all Guild Wars. It's quite a difficult balancing act for Anet to do... is getting rid of immaturity really worth your in-game freedom? (Un?)fortunately people have the right to say or do what they want, provided it doesn't conflict with the EULA and an Anet admin cannot be there every moment to pass judgement on every little thing.

There is a reason that under the ESRB rating on every online game, it reads "Game Experience May Change During Online Play." You can't set up a language filter for everything.

william1975 · Jun 29, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

The amount of posts on here about the foul language and crude behaviour of people that are hypocritical and contradictory is astounding.

The majority of those complaing about such behaviour seem to think its ok for them to use such language and behaviour, or think that by putting a few * symbols in they are not using bad language, some think that an abbreviation gets round it too. This is plainly laughable

Lets teach our children and others that they should use foul and abusive language by using it ourselves. Its sch a wonderful idea I'm sure it will work!

If someone uses fould/abusive/rascist language the answer from some here seems to be to scream and shout at them. Because thats how we should teach people its wrong isn't it.

I'm sure if we see a gang of half a dozen youths in real life spouting rascist remarks, that we will all go over to them and give them a piece of our mind, and once we find the knife stuck inbetween our ribs, and our lifeblood pouring out on the floor we will congratulate ourselves for standing up to them and making them behave themselves in a decent way.

While i don't like many behaviours shown by people in public or online I don't think that as individuals we can prevent it, either online or in public. In society today its just not safe to stand up to these people and tell them they are wrong, and they wouldn't even bother listening to you in the first place. What is more likely is that they continue to do as they were, or assault you instead.

If you want a resolution then gettign the authorites to interven is the only option. wether it is anet for this game or the government in reality. Mind you the majority would end up in prison if foul language was a criminal offense

Teutonic Paladin · Jun 29, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Kids are not "naturally" immature and immoral. It's bad parenting.

There's no big book of parenting to teach people the politically correct ways to raise thier children.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Jun 29, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Etta

Ha! Kids. They'll get better when they're starting to notice the opposite sex or same sex, not to mention start drinking, doing drugs etc. Or when they get older and have to go to work, pay rent, taxes, bills. They'll have all of the real world craps to deal with just like the rest of us, the so call adult. So forget about it.

If you really bother about all of these punk ass kids in game. Just remember most of them never even been near the 3rd base yet, nevermind kissing a girl or boy.

<---- 12 half(Yay!, Youngest^^)

Whaa!, I don't want to be an Adult!
I wish I will never Age again!(I somewhat believe in the "Next/Past Life" thing^^)
I don't want to Work, Pay Bills, etc, etc!
BTW, I think Immature Kids are Anoyying, Being a Kid Myself but not in Games but in my School especialy Annoying, Stupid Kindergarteners^^!
But I was like them so I understand why they are like that^^!

Arrows[PURE] · Jun 29, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Well really I just tend to ignore them, they normally amuse me as others have said on this forum. Most of the time if theyr ignored after a while they'll stop, because they only do it for a response. The worst place for this imo is alliance battle, I dont so much see it in outposts really.
I don't see anything wrong with bad language (swearing). I rarely use it, but I hear it everyday of my life just about. I dont think theres much wrong , because nearly every 10 year old I know, knows how to swear and they are going to do it out of the game, with their friends.
But anyway I don't think there is a non extreme solution to this. Answer (as has been said before) , untick local chat