Curse

DarthFlesh · Jun 10, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

yes its absolutely worth it, a week ago i was at ascalon, and i found out i have a lot of good golds, i dont needed, and id rather give em away than sell them, so i started advertising, and every1 got a gold, and some guys were even calling me ''Santa Garto'' xD, some other game me stuff so i can go give them away too, wich i did =D, feels really good to make someone happy for a little time

Sakki · Jun 11, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

No.

Guild wars is packed full of idiots anyway, so theres no point trying to be nice.

Unless, they are people who you have known to be friendly and know how to play this game, then by all means be nice to them.

Mesmer in Need · Jun 11, 2007, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Wow some people are really inconsiderate. My leader recruited a new player, and i was bored so me and a friend ran him to droks from ascalon. He pm spams me the whole run. Around, idk, snakes, he asks if he can have a couple k to buy his armour. I offer to give him some and some materials. When we get there, i ask him what materials he needs. It was something like 300 iron and 100steel. I give him a stack or iron(i had lots anyways) then he asks for 100 steel. I say" its kind of expensive, and i dont have alot". He replys "Can you plz buy alot i need my armor" So basically, he just offered to let me buy him his armour. I gave him 10 steel and told him to earn the rest. He spammed the alliance chat for 2 hours... I guess new players dont really know the value of things.

Skyy High · Jun 11, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Not worth it, unless you really see someone who's being polite and obviously needs help. I'll help new people with missions occasionally, and if they're nice I'll give them a weapon at the end of it, other than that, no hand outs to strangers. Even alliance mates generally aren't worth it; only people I'd actually just give stuff to if they needed something without thinking too much about it are my guildies...

Rhedd · Jun 11, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Elruid

Holier Than Thou. And much nicer too! Piquant the "^_^".

This supposed wife might be able to shed some light on this particular complex going on in the quoted post. Behind this cheery exterior lies inner despair, hopelessness and trauma. Inadequacy, some sort of insecurity, about personality and self worth. But that's not the main cause. It's the want for power. The person doesn't have enough personal power to support their self esteem. Being so overtly almost condescending, it's like some messianic illusion of self. But in this case the nicety is not well-founded. It's convoluted and just a defense, a means to survive.

Exerting this smugness? over others to save face, and not having to face people in the flesh so to speak. The need to be special, but being too afraid to truly expose oneself and BE special, thus the made up specialness over which the person has control over. Losing control? Is that the reason? Being in control.

With this armor of smugness, the person is in control and in safety when coming face to face with others. It's kind of sosiopathic? Bordering on solipsism, that only YOU are really real, others are just like fantasy? No, not that severe, but still, I feel the person quoted actually has a very LOW opinion of others, maybe projecting something personal, where they themselves only are really worth it.

And this fake cheerfulness compounds that, they actually hate others because their love has not been received by them. The person wants to love, but is embittered by the rejection of the love and thus to maintain mental integrity feels the need for this delusion.

Anyway, ask the missus.

Sadly, a simple "^_^" isn't enough characters to be a post, so instead I'll have to say...

I can touch my tongue to my nose. ^_^

princess jessie · Jun 11, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

GW is our very own UN. Good, bad and the ugly play it. My thing is to go through life (and GW) with my head held high and do the best I can. Yes I've give stuff to people who didnt even say thanks--that's their karma. Truly what goes around, comes around. So keep on being who u are.

applejacks · Jun 11, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I rather do understand your point. However, you helped him out by giving him something. It became his property to do with as he wishes. He accidently pm's you and you understandibly become upset. However, he is a level 9 warrior, the prospect of selling the weapon for a huge amount of cash is still helping him out. Now he can afford a new weapon, some armour and runes etc... So you have just helped him out even more than you thought you did.

I have given away plenty of things, and I always ask myself, what if they just go into trade chat and start selling it. The answer: so what? It no longer belongs to me.

Sasuke The Betrayer · Jun 11, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

I dunno. I have found alot of crap going on, like in my guild, people always ask for money. When I don't give them money, they just leave.

But, as for my better moments, like earlier today. I got kinda bored and was hanging out in Cavalon. I decided to ask for a guy that was in the alliance. I payed him 2k for a tip, and 5k to launch some fireworks. He could've jacked 7k, but he did the fireworks, and a couple of newbies who've never seen the fireworks got excited and worked up. I was happy. :P

Anyways, for the OP, that one person did receive the item from you. He can do w.e he wants with it, unless you forced him to say "I shall never sell and always use this item" or something like that.

bungusmaximus · Jun 12, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

I dunno. I have found alot of crap going on, like in my guild, people always ask for money. When I don't give them money, they just leave.

Whahaha sounds like a problem that solves itself.

what a funny thread anyways, GW is filled with real people, so being nice to them is exactly the same as being nice to someone you meet on the streets.
If it pays off or not is still questionable though, but I'm not going to let other people force me to be cynical as well, meh.

bart · Jun 12, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

so what everybody is saying is:

1) be nice if your intention is to be nice. Don't be nice and expect ppl to lavish you with praise and kowtow at ur feet

2) don't be an ass and not thank the person who helped you. Didn't your momma teach you good manners?

3) It is a sucky feeling when you helped someone only to realise that he is actually not in need of help and has actually lead you to believe you're helping a newbie. Betrayal and the feeling of being taken advantage of comes to mind. It is only normal to feel these feelings. Learn your lesson and get over it.

WinterSnowblind · Jun 12, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

Wow some people are really inconsiderate. My leader recruited a new player, and i was bored so me and a friend ran him to droks from ascalon. He pm spams me the whole run. Around, idk, snakes, he asks if he can have a couple k to buy his armour. I offer to give him some and some materials. When we get there, i ask him what materials he needs. It was something like 300 iron and 100steel. I give him a stack or iron(i had lots anyways) then he asks for 100 steel. I say" its kind of expensive, and i dont have alot". He replys "Can you plz buy alot i need my armor" So basically, he just offered to let me buy him his armour. I gave him 10 steel and told him to earn the rest. He spammed the alliance chat for 2 hours... I guess new players dont really know the value of things.

These are the type of people you really shouldn't help, at least not in that way.

When I first played the game I didn't pay attention to the story at all, I didn't even bother to really read what the different skills were, and I just basically tried to run everywhere. To say the least, I didn't particulary like the game and I definetely didn't understand it.

New players need to learn how to use their profession properly and how to really play the game. I think one of the biggest problem with PUGs is that so many people are just ran through the early missions of the game. Prophecies is the worst example of this, it's very easy to run throw the game to a certain point, or at least be helped along by better players. Then you get to Thunderhead Keep/The Ring of Fire, and will find a lot of players who really just don't know what they're doing, and I don't see the point of helping them through. The best thing for them to do, would be to go back to earlier missions and really try to understand the game.

The only reason Thunderhead Keep is ever hard, is when you're in a PUG and the group is completely uncoordinated, and are just running around everywhere like headless chickens. "OMG, what do we do!!"

AlyssaDV · Jun 12, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

I got PM'd in one of the NF outposts if I had a spare hammer. I realized that I did have max gold one sitting in my storage and promptly placed it in the trade window. The P/W was shocked and asked if I needed anything in return. I said that since it is a game we don't "need" anything and gladly gave her the hammer. She actually PM'd me several times asking if there was anything she could do for me and I said be nice to the next person

Keero89 · Jun 12, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

When I first played the game I didn't pay attention to the story at all, I didn't even bother to really read what the different skills were, and I just basically tried to run everywhere. To say the least, I didn't particulary like the game and I definetely didn't understand it.

New players need to learn how to use their profession properly and how to really play the game. I think one of the biggest problem with PUGs is that so many people are just ran through the early missions of the game. Prophecies is the worst example of this, it's very easy to run throw the game to a certain point, or at least be helped along by better players. Then you get to Thunderhead Keep/The Ring of Fire, and will find a lot of players who really just don't know what they're doing, and I don't see the point of helping them through. The best thing for them to do, would be to go back to earlier missions and really try to understand the game.

QFT! I was just like this, running around with my sword Whammo, getting massive aggro and getting so lost in the game... it was pitiful. I hated GuildWars, and I thought, no wonder why everyone leaves the game, it's boring and confusing. Now, it doesn't help when you get ran through half the missions, not do all the early quests, and get ran all the way to Drok (at level 8) or that desert place to the upper left. I left the game at level 18, but looking back, I missed out on a ton of stuff. Now the Mesmer actually looks promising for PvP, I know how to build a better Warrior, and I think I know what 'Golds/greens' are and I know how to manage my energy.

But I just need a good PC to run it now. Old one got thrashed.

Xeeron · Jun 12, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by hallomik

I take a different view than most here.

You're not really doing anyone a favor by giving some random, new player an end game weapon.

Although it may make you feel good, you're actually doing a couple of negative things:

1) You're making the early part of the game artificially easy for them. This could impair their learning and leave them stuck on poor builds. This, in turn, could lead to real frustration once they hit the harder parts of the game.

2) You're actually robbing them of any sense of accomplishment once they finally get a good drop like that themselves. One of the fun things about a new character is that each time you adventure, you stand a good chance of getting a better item. I personally felt great when I got my first max collector bow, and even better when I got my first green drop. That achievement would have felt like nothing if someone gave me a max sword pity handout when I first stepped into Ascalon city.

It is MUCH better to help a new player with a mission, give them some tips on their build, or point them to a good website than to give them a perfect weapon.

It's the same misguided instinct parents have in giving their 16 year olds a new sports car. It may make the parent feel good, but it's really a form of vanity that does the kid no favor.

QFT. I almost never give away items for free. You dont need them to play at low levels and they will ruin the enjoyment of getting better gear. Now dont get me wrong, giving a starter green or max damage white weapon away is ok, but why does a lvl 9 warrior need a max damage 15^50 rare skin?

I try to help out people in other ways. Whenever I am doing a mission, I ask people for their skill bars. Not to kick them for bad ones, but to give them tips to make a better one. It takes a lot of time, but not only will the mission be easier, you are really helping people get better at the game.

- Xeeron

TheRaven · Jun 12, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I think I'm permanently in the "it doesn't pay to be nice" category. I think the giveaway forum here on guru was one of the best ideas to come along in ages. However, after running 2 small giveaways there, I'm done with it.

I ran 1 giveaway a month or 2 ago when the forum first opened. I'm not a rich player, so I wasn't giving away very much, just 4 inexpensive green weapons. Recently I did a Candy Cane weapon giveaway which didn't go well at all. I specifically stated that I was accepting ingame requests for the weapons at a specific time and day.

Since then I've been innundated with beggars PM'ing me on the forum and ingame begging for freebies. I whispered back to a few that the giveaway ended last week, yet all I get are more whispers saying "ok i take wat u have now. cum 2 LA please".

It's frustrating to be trying to complete a mission or tombs run while constantly being PM'd by beggars and during an intense fight you can't really take time to stop and ignore. I suppose I could set my status to "Do not disturb" but I hate to do that and miss out on legitimate whispers from my friends.

I feel sorry for Dralspire and the others that are very generous and have run major giveaway threads. If I'm getting this much grief for my dinky little giveaways, I can only imagine the PM's they're getting.

I'm still willing to help folks ingame by answering questions and helping out with missions and quest tips, but no more giveaways.

elektra_lucia · Jun 12, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Heck with it... giving this it's own thread.

Two days ago a level 9 warrior is in Ascalon asking for a gold sword to buy. I have a spare... a req 9 Cruel Fanged sword of Enchanting, 15^50, 20% in storage... so rather than haggle a price I just gave it to him. Seemed real appreciative, I felt good about it.

Last night... I get an accidental PM from the guy.

Selling Req 9 Cruel Fanged Sword of Enchanting, 15^50, very nice Nightfall skin! 70K.

So... I respond to the guy... you're selling the sword I gave you? "No, I'd never do that! I'm going to keep it forever!"

o.O

Sometimes our species really disappoints me.

You can be nice without being a charity case. It probably wasn't an accidental PM. Perhaps he did it to annoy you.

Anyway, no it's not worth being nice. If someone is nice to you, then be nice to them but otherwise it is not worth initiating it.

billypowergamer · Jun 12, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Anyway, no it's not worth being nice. If someone is nice to you, then be nice to them but otherwise it is not worth initiating it.

That is terrible logic. If everyone lived by that rule, no one would do anything nice, ever.

Why can't people just do things for the sake of being nice? It doesn't hurt, honest. They way I look at it is if I don't need it, might as well give it to someone who does, and when it's all said and done, is there really going to be someone with a score sheet keeping track of how much money/items you have aquired in guild wars?(or any game for that matter)

rick1027 · Jun 12, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

is it worth being nice? yes i say so i remember one time it was during a an evetn and a small group of people used the transmorphers things and was dancing as elves and someone came along as a candy corn thing. knowing full well i had a ton of each in storage i went and got em and preceded to advertise free trans formers things to all who wanted to join in and dance. well yes there was one person who took one and kept trying to come back and get more. obviously someone who wanted to sell them for a profit so i quit giving him some after the third attempt. it didn't make me mad and i still gave free ones to others til we had a huge dancing party in the district. we all chatted and had a good old time dancing as elves and candy corns. yes also i never give away golds or items to people who beg. seeing i have a second account and lately I've been working on it. most of my chars on it i ran through the game and maxed them out without doing the low level missions. so lately being bored I've been doing those low level mission with those chars. i usually take along someone who is low level and can't get into regular groups seeing i'm max level. its no problem. i strike up a conversation and find a lot about them and on occasions i give them stuff usually after i find out they are new. i do say i don't usually have a lot to give away but its something to help them out and if they did sell it it doesn't bother me in any way. I've meet a lot of new friends this way these people a lot of times pm later to ask for help or give me tips off on how they are doing. a lot of them over time when I've needed an extra person to help out on a quest or special favor have someone to ask. so to ask if it worth it yes definately. there is always the possibility of getting burned even in real life sometimes a girl will say no but does it stop you from asking another. if it did you'll be a very lonely person

stevedallas · Jun 23, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

sorry, being nice to anyone in GW has never provided me with anything but headache. after two years of trying, i've learned that it's best to play alone if i play at all.

Diablo™ · Jun 23, 2007, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Giving kindness and expecting one in return is a selfish act.

"No good deed goes unpunished."