Curse

dancing gnome · Jun 23, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I think its funny A-Net implemented PvE skills which are only feasable through either large amounts of PvP grinding or a silly FFF run, which is niether enjoyable nor short for the goal intended. I understand that this title is account wide and so player who have max Sunspear on their monk have to do it all again on their warrior or elementalist, however I don't beleive that the amount of time you need to farm faction just to gain these PvE skills at a useful rank is justified.

Fair enough don't lessen the title as it cheapens it for those who actually had max Faction titles, but don't make another part of the game exclusive to people who spend all their play time in one area. These skills are supposed o be fun additions to the game for the whole community, the way it is now people who are able to use them at max rank are those who mostly only play in PVP anyways and will prolly never use them anyway. The shrine blessing is horribly slow to level these skills and some people don't like to PvP at all. I have the original packaging for the guild wars game which says and I quote, "You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, NOT HOURS PLAYED, decides your fate." Up until now grinding has only had an aesthetic (ie purely appearance based) impact on the game which is why myself and so many other people love it. Titles are great for some people, gives you something to do and sets new challenges in obscure parts of the game but when it impacts on skills which would be fun, and exciting to many people it's not in the spirit of GW.

I personally see no problem with them making these skills max to begin with, however I can understand how this would upset a lot of people. If you want to play a game which rewards hours played go play WoW. Maxing at r5 is MUCH better than the current exhorbitant amount, however this will still be too big a grind for a casual player.

Not that it matters but for the record, I have AB'd A LOT and spend most of my time at Fort Aspenwood these days, when I can stand the leeching and Warrior bugs. I am only r2 as I always chose jaedite over contributing to my guild's town ownership. I still don't believe this is a fair goal.

Vamis Threen · Jun 23, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

I have a lot of maxed-out titles but I'm not pursuing this one; I enjoy HM so guardian was fun, I liked the fear involved an going for survivor, I even did the vanity cartographer titles because they didn't take that long; but I don't like AB and I have no interest in FFF. However, respect to anyone who wants to go for it; just because I'm not interested in the title myself doesn't mean I'm not impressed by those who have achieved it.

Regarding the new skills, I would point out that you don't actually "need" them. As possible to beat the game and get bonus/masters in most missions with heroes and henchies then by definition these skills are not required to play or enjoy the game.

Finally, and maybe it's just rationalization on my part, but it looks to me that the skills are generally just not

much good, and if you feel you must use them, you could get respectable attributes at reasonably low rankings.

chunwahkwok · Jun 23, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

max faction title is good, nothing has to be changed

Destro Maniak · Jun 23, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

I said I wont be postin here anymore but I CANT STAND PEOPLE TELL SILLY AND/OR USELESS to fff or gaining faction. Maybe you dont know but farming faction AND DONATING TO GUILD is one of the biggest goals of the game wich is for GETTING(Haha you never get it

) OR HOLDING House Zu Heltzer(Of course for some there might be little goals). And I like to say that Faction Farm guilds are in a group of MOST AWARDING place. While not many people know which are the best gvg or ha guilds everyone has echovland forest or jade sea know the alliences. And to the person who think that FFFers are just plain FFFers its basicly clear that you dont know a bit about fff guilds. We also enjoy farming, doing hm missions, make pvp parties and no not only members are doing this guild leaders and officers also playing with us. Dont comment without knowing about it

If you want to get those skills so much and dont wanna grind so long I suggest you just leave at r5 or just leave skills alone.

Buster · Jun 23, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

I think the max faction title is fine. I just got Rank 6 and moving on to get Rank 7 eventually.

Kool Pajamas · Jun 23, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Max titles should be extremely hard to obtain. I say raise it higher. 100 million. Seriously.

TSWatson1974 · Jun 23, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Wow, they have raised the Faction points awarded - a little! Now it will only take 300 days at 8 hours a day to max out the title! And I just thought I was going to have to quit my day job.

The Hand Of Death · Jun 24, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

/notsigned

Two years to get max title before GW 2? I think that is enough time.

roalgumo7 · Jun 24, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

/agree
/signed

or what ever, but this is true, I really hate that title, it's ok to do for a while, but to dedicate full time, it's insane.

Bowstring Badass · Jun 24, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

You do know when you donate 5k you get 10k towards the title right?

And stop complaining. Complaining is pointless it just leads to anerf nerfing something...

Spazzer · Jun 24, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

This thread won't do anything. Arenanet has no idea that "thousands of hours" is a long time.

Hyper.nl · Jun 24, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

You have my vote, the amount of time this title takes to max is quite rediculous.

Navaros · Jun 24, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

You do know when you donate 5k you get 10k towards the title right?

Yes, we complainers are all well-aware of this. However, even with "10k towards the title", the title still takes several hundred hours to several thousand hours to max. Therefore due to PVE skills being tied to it, it is still way too ludicrous and needs fixing above and beyond the "10k towards the title".

Cathode_Reborn · Jun 24, 2007, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death

/notsigned

Two years to get max title before GW 2? I think that is enough time.

I honestly think that anyone who favors the ridiculous amount of time it takes to max the title lives a dull life that involves spending countless hours doing AB in guild wars. Anyone who's already maxed the title certainly must be a sad person....or has an unhealthy obssession with AB.

Destro Maniak · Jun 24, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

I honestly think that anyone who favors the ridiculous amount of time it takes to max the title lives a dull life that involves spending countless hours doing AB in guild wars. Anyone who's already maxed the title certainly must be a sad person....or has an unhealthy obssession with AB.

You dont know anything about FF title. I mean ANYTHING.
As I said before faction farming alliences get the one of the biggest awards that an allience can take. CITIES. FFF also nets you 20-25kfaction title per hour and half benefit to guild and about 50-75k xp every hour and about 5k every hour so it is one of the best gold earning ways in the game nowadays. FFF isnt useless and people dont do it fot title! If you call every grind in the game 'useless' then I suppose you just go play another game to achive longer goals for longer time cause the storyline of gw only takes ne less then 1 week and other then that I call it 'grind'. As I say you call grinds useless then farming golds for fow is useless, trackin titles are useless and so on. And now titles are easier to achive and I suppose this was BEST you could get. I hated it that other than donating guild gives faction cause its not possible to track someone donated how much faction every week. BUT title is really easier now. Just go earn faction if you want those skills so much so much to death. If not its not your problem dont post here. And people who want skills you dont have to max it JUST AS YOU DONT BOTHER CANOT MAXNG ATTURBUTES AT 16 AND TALKIN CAUSE YOU WANT MORE ATIRBUTE POINT OR MORE RUNES STACKIN. If you want title faster it doesnt matter cause youll be allways show that you gave so little time it wont make the max same as now savior now savior is worser then before cause gives double point

drago34 · Jun 24, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

It's supposed to be something you have to work for. So no, I think it should take you awhile to obtain it. Why dumb down the title so everyone who wants to get it right away and without putting in the time, instead of making it for the people who are willing to put in the time and effort.

VinnyRidira · Jun 25, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

You dont need to do PvP to get faction. You can easily get 1000 faction in 10 minutes in Arborstone in hardmode with blessing. Kill 25 monsters then the 3 easy bosses.

Dronte · Jun 25, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Max faction title is way too high, lower it plz.

bilateralrope · Jun 25, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

You dont need to do PvP to get faction. You can easily get 1000 faction in 10 minutes in Arborstone in hardmode with blessing. Kill 25 monsters then the 3 easy bosses.

Ok, 1k every 10 minutes. Thats still 5000 runs needed to max out the title.

833 hours

So how many hours a day can you handle doing that and only that ?

And for the casual players, how many hours a week do you actually have to play guild wars ?

Destro Maniak · Jun 25, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Bilateralrope

Hmm well Its easy to answer: MAX FACTION TITLE AINT FOR CAUSUAL PLAYERS(nor do they care)
On a post above I said its ONLY 3hour a day 4 month work(I prety mean it by saying only) what if it was a week work. Everyone with savior? It would be like spear marshall or holy lightbringer? how much do they impress you? I have both spear marshall and holy lightbringer maxed and I prefer to show my r6 kurzick title.
SO AND EASY CONCLUSION
IF YA ARE MAKIN THIS FIGHT CAUSE YO WANNA GET SKILLS MAKE FIGHT TO MAKE SKILLS LINK ATTIRBUTE(but you still want it to be linked to title dont you? cause you wanna do this without attirbute point. BE LOGICAL)
IF YA WANNA GET TITLE MAXED JUST GO HIGH AS YOU CAN AFTER ALL IF SAVIOR WOULD BE 1200K IT WOULD BE AS IMPRESSIVE AS STEWARD
IF YA ARE JUST A MAXED TITLE HUNTER GO WITH OTHER SKILLS FIRST BUT IF YA OBSESSIVE TO GET ALL TITLES MAXED BETTER NOT FACTION ONES i MUST SAY