Curse

Vinraith · Jul 12, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

That's pretty much what I was talking about. PC gamers are always quick to blame consoles for simplified games. Take Oblivion for example, yes it was pretty drastically simplified, but that was an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. Morrowind was a popular game, on both the PC and consoles, but one of the biggest complaints it received, is that a lot of people found it difficult to follow and navigate around in. Thus, Oblivion simplified a lot of features, and included mechanics to hold the players hand, such as the compass and fast travel.

Ditto for Deus Ex. None of that was due to the game being released on consoles, after all Morrowind was released virtually untouched on the Xbox and was one of the best selling games on the system, they had no need to simplify the game for consoles, it was purely to appeal to a bigger audience.

PC gamers just seem to enjoy having something to blame when a game doesn't meat their expectations. I'm sure anyone who's studied marketing can back me up.

Interesting perspective. I see what you're saying, and I think all we're really disagreeing about is motivation, which I'll grant you is no something that can be readily assessed. How about this, then:

The same motivation that results in a game being simplified (A), namely an interest in appealing to a broader gaming market (C), is also the motivation for making a formerly PC-exclusive title available on consoles (B). Therefore, when one sees a company moving in the direction of making a game available on consoles, one has reason to be concerned that it may be dumbed down as well. That is, A is not necessarily caused by B, B is not necessarily caused by A, but A and B are correlated because they are both symptoms of C. Observing A or B is then reason to fear that the other will occur shortly. Fair?

semantic · Jul 12, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

GW2 isn't Morrowind.

The functionality they've talked about so far (context sensitive actions, more freedom of movement, etc) would be great on a PS3 with the standard controller.

I'm betting GW2 on the PS3 would be mass fun.

I wonder if you would be able to rent GW2 at GameFly, etc. With a PVP system that doesn't require unlocks, there'd have to be a way to make that work.

Redfeather1975 · Jul 12, 2007, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Maybe they'll make that NCsoft flying game for consoles.
http://www.plaync.com/us/games/aion/

Miral · Jul 12, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

i hope they dont start running ncsoft MMOs on SoE servers T.T their patcher is so horrible to me

WinterSnowblind · Jul 12, 2007, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Like I said, I wouldn't mind seeing GW on consoles, more people being able to play the game isn't bad. However, they did say they were making exclusive games for the PS3. And the biggest point everyone seems to be missing, is just how terrible the PS3's online service is, if you thought MMO's were bad on consoles before, then they're going to be bloody awful on the PS3. Yes, unlike the 360, it may be a free system, but there's a very noticable draw back of that. $50 a year for a good system, isn't too much to ask, in my opinion.

I'd much rather just plug my 360 controller into the PC and use that for GW2.

Riot Narita · Jul 12, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Bring on the console players! If GW became the first big MMO game on PS3, we could see millions of new players online (assuming they don't get their own online worlds to play in). They would be completely clueless about PvP, and even if they weren't - most of them would be crippled by using a console controller...

...They would be cannon fodder, and that means EASY titles for the PC users!!! Even *I* (utterly rubbish at PvP) might get some PvP titles!!!

Redfeather1975 · Jul 12, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by Miral

i hope they dont start running ncsoft MMOs on SoE servers T.T their patcher is so horrible to me

Hey, hopefully SOE and others will learn a thing or two about how to patch games.

When I start up WoW and EQ2 and I notice an update, I go out for coffee.

Etta · Jul 12, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Remember SWG and what Sony did with it? Yes? You want that to happen to GW as well? NCsoft can team up with whoever they want, as long as they leave Anet alone.

And the PS3 PAL is a piece of crap, get the NTSC counterpart it's cheaper and better in every way.

sindex · Jul 12, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

I’m sorry but I hope this does not pass A-net, so they will support them on every project. Sony is just playing snobbish, undermining, and a horrid business associates to have. Yes I am being biased, but not one thing has come out of Sony that has some type of originality to it. In the last year or so they have caught nothing that signals “invention” all over it. Now NC Soft is actually thinking about joining up with the biggest crook since EA games went on a binge over sucking up other talented industries, so they could make a quick buck. That’s not evolution, it’s devastation waiting to happen.

Elruid · Jul 12, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Sony is the MMO-killer.

Miral · Jul 12, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Hey, hopefully SOE and others will learn a thing or two about how to patch games.

When I start up WoW and EQ2 and I notice an update, I go out for coffee.

when i start up eq2 on patch day i can't go out for coffee, because i have to delete files and restart it 200 times. well did anyway, don't play eq2 anymore because of their launchpad issues
oh and sony taking it over is the main reason I never got into vanguard. I was in the beta, and sony took it over halfway through, and I could never connect again because of the launchpad.

phil_carter · Jul 12, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

I disagree , anet gets to make online games for the weakest and crappiest next gen console ? Great? Or not. Serioursly 360 has sold nearly 4x the PS3 world wide and the WII coming in at roughly 3x . PS3 also has poor online stuff and microsoft dominates it . Sony's PSP is great thou but a MMO wouldnt work on it at all and if they brought it out itd be just crap .

You cannot judge the quality of the console based on those sales figures, the 360 was out a year before, and both the 360 and the Wii are much cheaper. The Wii appeals to a different market to that the PS3 and the 360 do, and clearly the 360 will have more games now than the PS3, giving it many more 'points' when considering purchase.

Tahlia Tane · Jul 12, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I got a flash for some of you: Guild Wars 2 will never in a million years be released on a console. It's just as unlikely as World of Warcraft on Xbox 360. LOL

Mordakai · Jul 12, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

It says exclusive PS3 MMORPGS.

Guild Wars 2 will not be an exclusive PS3 title.

Kakumei · Jul 12, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

It certainly looks like no one at all actually read the press release.

Saying things like "oh no Sony will ruin GW!!!!" is retarded at best.

bamm bamm bamm · Jul 13, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

It says exclusive PS3 MMORPGS.

Guild Wars 2 will not be an exclusive PS3 title.

I read it as the exclusivity referring to the publisher, not the platform.

2g_2g · Jul 13, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Oh Noes! Sorny Will Ruin Gw!!!111oneoneone

drago34 · Jul 13, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

It certainly looks like no one at all actually read the press release.

Saying things like "oh no Sony will ruin GW!!!!" is retarded at best.

It just depends on how you read into the whole exclusiveness thing.

miasma · Jul 13, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

I came across this, and I can only hope at this point it is wrong..

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Deal-for-MMOGs

The part that scares me..
"This appears to include all future games from NCSoft, all you who are waiting for Lineage 3 with bated breath may need to start checking into PS3s."

I think at this point a word from the devs to ease our pain would be welcome.

drago34 · Jul 13, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by miasma

I came across this, and I can only hope at this point it is wrong..

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Deal-for-MMOGs

The part that scares me..
"This appears to include all future games from NCSoft, all you who are waiting for Lineage 3 with bated breath may need to start checking into PS3s."

I think at this point a word from the devs to ease our pain would be welcome.

I'm going to just hope for the best and wait until anet says something before I post in another one of these damn speculation threads lol.