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Curse You · Jul 14, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Your correlation is inaccurate. Prohibition proved that removing alcohol from the public only increased their interest in obtaining it through illicit means, as they could not get what they wanted through legal means. Prohibition of drops only provides incentive for players to seek them through illicit means because they cannot obtain them through their own effort as individuals whose effort is of worth to themselves. Eliminating the prohibition on drops will eliminate the reason players seek alternative means to obtain them.
In the case of gun control you are correct. Prohibition of guns on law abiding citizens only increases the ratio of guns among the criminal elements of society intent on doing harm to the law abiding citizens. Violent crimes against persons goes down where concealed carry is passed and maintained, with the greatest benefit being to women – rape goes down the most. Crime does however increase. Studies in the SW states of criminals bereft of the ability to use violence against the unarmed seem to manifest a high level of expression in grafitti.

You missed one fact. Many people buy gold because they're lazy or greedy. Not because it's hard, and it's not hard to get money.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

With as many gold sinks as there are in this game? Everything you get requires gold. Your heroes are always dead if you don’t put runes on them. You have to bribe officials to protect Tengu nests, pay priests every time you walk out a door so you can gain faction, buy skills and cap sigs, and I refuse to purchase ale for my warrior. I have a mule that does nothing but Shing Jea quests for Monastery Credits then he dies and starts over – although

All of which is stuff you choose to spend your money on. That's the idea of a money sink. You don't need runes on all your heroes, I've beaten Nightfall with only a run or two on my heroes, most of which still had the weapons they came with.
Also, if you can't make up that 100g you pay for the bounty, then you probably aren't killing enough things to need the bounty in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I went from well below a level, noticed leveling, and started keeping track. The pattern was walk out of The Eternal Grove into Drazach Thicket, look through the cliff to see if the Gaki spawned, if spawned go kill it, if not go in, once dead and no Skull Juju drop – repeat. Every few repeats map from The Eternal Grove to other two sites around Drazach Thicket and ask if anyone had some Skull Jujus they had not marched. Then map back and murder the gaki again.

I'll tell you now, that's a really in-efficient farming run. Skilling The Scar Eater would probably take about as long, and he usually drops 2 Jujus at once.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

And that is absolute crap. There is no reason for this kind of lunacy. That is not playing that is going to work at an assembly line job for virtual crap. It is an obstacle in the way of playing and it is what makes the Bot industry a 7 billion dollar a year industry.

Ectoplasm has a 4% drop rate in the Underworld. Ectoplasm falls under rare drops, along with greens, golds and dye. Therefore my number is likely accurate.

The fact of the matter is, I gave a number that the maximum number of runs you would have to do, according to the probability of the item droping. However, having that 95% happen that much is a very unlikely situation.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

So by joining another guild I will keep my coat of arms and my designation? By joining another guild what I created as my own personal expression will be maintained for me and will display for me? Your red herring does not detract from these facts. There is no expectation of some science-fictional brain probe. My observations have not changed, and ANet has not returned to having things they way they were Pre-view weekend or as discussed in the forums before release of Factions.

You act as though joining a guild where you're not the leader will make you disappear. If you don't want to do that, then invite members into your guild. If you don't want to do that, the really, I have nothing more to say to you.

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

One either benefits from playing or they do not. Style is a matter of artistic expression and it is not something which one can alter in GW without huge sums of gold, which we have discussed I do not have.
I should not have to alter anything to fit to the Bots. It is ANet’s reponsiblity to protect play and ensure I am able to have an enjoyable and rewarding experience without their game being hacked, my account being hacked (which their store evidently doesn’t bother to do), or things like bots/ebayers destroying the value of play. If as you say, a drop can only be guaranteed at about 17 hours of play, then it is about three and a half weeks for an employed player (at five 3 hour sessions/week) to potentially get three Skull Jujus.

Wow, I would have thought that with all those words you keep throwing around, you would get what "play style" is.

Play Style has nothing to do with how you look. It's about how you play the game. Some people's play style is to farm all the time. Others only do Hero's Ascent. Each one is a different persons play style. This is usually a good thing.

However, when people's play style involves things that obviously don't go together or contradict, you get problems.
An example is a person who hardly ever obtains money, but likes to spent large sums on useless things like 15k armour. I believe that's the play style you've fallen into.

Pro-Monk · Jul 14, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

It's really sad that the fanboi's have taken over the community forums and flame any posts that even have a hint of questioning Anet about loot-scaling, drop rates, etc. This thread is a perfect example.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 14, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Pro-Monk

It's really sad that the fanboi's have taken over the community forums and flame any posts that even have a hint of questioning Anet about loot-scaling, drop rates, etc. This thread is a perfect example.

Fanboy's taken over fan forums....

Have you been here long?
I am not a fanboy in anyway, but I see alot more HATE and ANGER threads in the fan forums than Fanboy. Most fanyboy threads started go down in a blaze of glory of flame posts or just simply ignored.
When one tries to be civil with a response that even hints at being ok with something that Anet has done...*hides in bomb shelter*

Pro-Monk · Jul 14, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Flame on.......lol

Jaythen Tyradel · Jul 14, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Pro-Monk

Flame on.......lol

Wasn't flaming in any way at you...

Mitchel · Jul 14, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Maybe they dont drop that much because you play for 15 hours a day and must have aggro'd a whole bunch of farming codes.

Malice Black · Jul 14, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by korcan

what about people that have no lifes that play gw 24/7? they obviously have a distinct advantage that is directly correlated with their real-life situation. except for the op, most people that play all day 24/7 probably have no problems making enough money for collector weapons or weapons with max stats.

i personally have no qualms about people ebaying gold. it doesnt effect me and if anyone can prove that ebayers are contributing to in-game economic inflation, please provide some type of compelling hard evidence and not just "theory" and "conjecture".

if anything, the people that play 24/7 and amass tons and tons of in-game wealth are the ones that cause prices on "rares" to skyrocket.

ebaying gold is just against the eula so youre obviously risking your account if you get caught but its not like its gonna get you thrown in jail and tagged with a permanent criminal record.

Good overall post, however, I have one point I disagree with.

There are very few proper rich people left, the ones you see here in High End are generally 'fakes' they bid on everything yet buy nothing. Bigger "e-peens" then pockets as we know them.

Also, those of us that were rich back in the day didn't play a lot, read my previous post, that will explain why. Of course some moved on into PvP etc which explained their activity.

Ok..just clearing up a general misconception.

AscalonWarrior · Jul 14, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Mitchel

Maybe they dont drop that much because you play for 15 hours a day and must have aggro'd a whole bunch of farming codes.

There's no such a thing as farming code anymore... When you people will learn it

Malice Black · Jul 14, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

There never was a "farming code" to begin with. There a code but that was aimed at botters, if real people got stung then they where the type that would farm griffons or trolls all day like a bot.

unienaule · Jul 14, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

What with all the quality "flame on lol" and posting of hilarious images and calling people names and using terribad logic in this thread, I think it's time to stick a fork in it, it's done.