Curse

Gun Pierson · Jul 10, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Eh, sorry for the confusion, but isn't that what they are doing now?

Now is pretty late, so much time and income wasted and the way they do it now is not the best imo . I'm not all negative though, they still have over 2 years to make the online shop a succes which could be important for gw2 sales.

Traveller · Jul 10, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

A-Net could be making so much more money with the online shop, but they are completely fumbling the ball at the moment. Many people have bought the GoTY weapons - they're fun additions (even if incomplete), perfect to give heroes and to use on yourself.

And like previously suggested, think about how many people would buy a small mini-campaign if something like this was added. People who have finished everything on PvE side could have something to work for, maybe a green item drop at the end, 3-4 missions with a plot, say, for 10€ ? Or another weapon package like the GoTY - I'm sure there would be lots of buyers for this kinds of stuff. It won't break the game, but it would give the online store a perfect justification of being there. I mean, how many casual players are gonna buy PvP skill packs?

dsielschott · Jul 10, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

well if you REALLY want that fan art that you look at a few times and never look at again, or the book you may read half of, or a map poster that you throw away after awhile, then buy the box set. I know there are alot of people that actually want that stuff but now you have to make a decision box stuff or extra gaming stuff.....

I have a question about when it will be able to be purchased in the online store?

and also if you are having trouble with the fact you dont have a credit card or debit card to pay with, find a friend, relative, or parent to let you use their card. Just give them the $40 up front and use their card to buy your edition online.

and i agree with you~~~ Mordakia~~~. I would much rather buy from the store get my key before everyone else and still get a set of bonus missions instead of a box that I just store away somewhere.

Mordakai · Jul 10, 2007, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Traveller

A-Net could be making so much more money with the online shop, but they are completely fumbling the ball at the moment. Many people have bought the GoTY weapons - they're fun additions (even if incomplete), perfect to give heroes and to use on yourself.

And like previously suggested, think about how many people would buy a small mini-campaign if something like this was added. People who have finished everything on PvE side could have something to work for, maybe a green item drop at the end, 3-4 missions with a plot, say, for 10€ ? Or another weapon package like the GoTY - I'm sure there would be lots of buyers for this kinds of stuff.

Sure, but won't we have the same complaints we have now about the Bonus Missions?

If new content is going to be more common on the online store (and from what Gaile said in chatlog, it sounds like it will be), then Anet needs to work out a payment system that everyone can use.

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Originally Posted by dsielschott

I have a question about when it will be able to be purchased in the online store?

The Bonus Missions? Officially, not at this time. But as I've said, I suspect they will be made available (if they are popular) sometime after the promotion ends. (how's that for vague?)

The pre-release date should be announced shortly. Some sites said it will be available on July 20th, but that's looking less likely the closer we get.

GW:EN's official release is August 31. That's the only official date I know.

dsielschott · Jul 10, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

thank you for the answers

Gun Pierson · Jul 10, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Sure, but won't we have the same complaints we have now about the Bonus Missions?

If new content is going to be more common on the online store (and from what Gaile said in chatlog, it sounds like it will be), then Anet needs to work out a payment system that everyone can use.

I think a lot of the complaints would be gone, if they started a year ago with those missions etc, it would be normal by now. The problem now is that it's linked with the 30$ you have to spend within a timeframe and the connection with gwen because nothing else is useful in the shop for a lot of peeps. And this creates the choice we have to make, the box version of gwen or buying it in the online shop.

I do agree with you about the payment system. I tested the shop with my bank card and it didn't work (maestro). So I ordered a credit card which costs me another 23 euro a year.

Mordakai · Jul 10, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I think some of the complaints would be gone, if they started a year ago with those missions etc, it would be normal by now. The problem now is that it's linked with the 30$ you have to spend and the connection with gwen because nothing else is useful in the shop now. And this creates the choice we have to make, the box version of gwen or buying it in the online shop.

Anet was damned either way. Since this is the first time they've done something like this, there would be hate regardless (perhaps that's why I defend Anet a little too heartedly).

Anet has always said it was not going to nickle and dime us to death, as that is just another way of "pay to play"; and goes against their Chapter model.

So, if they just put the 4 Bonus Missions out there, for say, $10, there would be a lot of grief. Not only from the people who say they cannot access the store, but from people who would say that this is a form of pay to play.

By offering the Missions as a free bonus for those who shop the Online store, they circumvent the pay to play accusation, but now they have made people basically choose between buying GWEN online or in a physical store. (yes, I know you can spend the money on anything in the store, but the price point of $30, and the lack of other things to buy, screams GWEN).

There are no perfect solutions, but Guild Wars 2 is coming, Chapters are done, and it's unknown what the future payment plan will look like (well, except No Monthly Fees. That is a promise for Guild Wars 2).

So, I think now is the perfect time for Anet to perfect this strategy, while Guild Wars 2 is being developed.

Gun Pierson · Jul 10, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

I understand your point Mordakai and we both like the game and Anet, I'm more of a negative but constructive feedback type a guy. I don't see it as pay to play though. You can play without goty items which you agreed on in an earlier post. Same with coming missions. They're more like little expansions, you can play with or without them.

Pay to play to me is that you need to pay a monthly fee or you just can't play at all which is not the case in GW.

Mordakai · Jul 10, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I understand your point Mordakai. I don't see it as pay to play though. You can play without goty items which you agreed on in an earlier post. Same with coming missions. They're more like little expansions, you're free to buy them or not and you can play with or without them.

Pay to play to me is that you need to pay a monthly fee or you just can't play at all which is not the case in GW.

I agree, but this is all about perception.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to offer both the free Bonus Missions with $30 purchase deal and offer the missions for $10 (or whatever).

That way, people who want to buy the box and manual don't feel forced to choose. I guess the downside is: what if the missions aren't "worth" $10?!?

Neo Nugget · Jul 10, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

im gonna slightly annoyed if the missions

-take 3 hours
-take 15 min
-are boring
-same as a regular mission

But didnt it say there would be special drops somewhere int hat announcement?

CDittric77 · Jul 10, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I agree, but this is all about perception.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to offer both the free Bonus Missions with $30 purchase deal and offer the missions for $10 (or whatever).

That way, people who want to buy the box and manual don't feel forced to choose. I guess the downside is: what if the missions aren't "worth" $10?!?

Another option is to quickly update the items offered in the store. If they give users a variety of options for in game purchases, then it is not linked to GWEN and we have to deal only with those that refuse to buy something online because they are desperately holding on to the twentieth century.

Mordakai · Jul 10, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

im gonna slightly annoyed if the missions

-take 3 hours
-take 15 min
-are boring
-same as a regular mission

But didnt it say there would be special drops somewhere int hat announcement?

This should be added to Gaile's front page post:

http://www.guildwars.com/press/missionpack/default.php

Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack Promotion

For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Official Guild Wars (online) Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!

The Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack will allow you to play through four pivotal moments in Guild Wars history. Earn unique rewards as you go face-to-face with Palawa Joko and his undead army as one of the key figures in the Battle of Jahai. Experience part of Cantha's turbulent past as you witness the violent Tengu Wars. Learn firsthand how the White Mantle rose to power in Kryta. And, finally, discover what became of Gwen after the Charr invaded her home and the Searing destroyed everything she'd ever known.

Gun Pierson · Jul 10, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I agree, but this is all about perception.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to offer both the free Bonus Missions with $30 purchase deal and offer the missions for $10 (or whatever).

That way, people who want to buy the box and manual don't feel forced to choose. I guess the downside is: what if the missions aren't "worth" $10?!?

Indeed, to me sorrow's furnace is worth the 10$, I feel the same about two extra missions (one pack) at TOA like underworld and FOW. But like you say it's all about perception.

Imagine though there were 10 extra missions packs and 5 bonus weapons packs available at the store atm, together with some special hat + bag packs etc (no advantage in gameplay ofcourse), some (funny) emote + sound packs (farting etc) for 5$ or so. I think a lot of people would have bought them and Anet could have made 'some' money and the store would be popular.

Gli · Jul 10, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by CDittric77

Another option is to quickly update the items offered in the store. If they give users a variety of options for in game purchases, then it is not linked to GWEN and we have to deal only with those that refuse to buy something online because they are desperately holding on to the twentieth century.

Some of us will still have to deal with the fact that ANet is desperately holding on to a 20th century online payment mode.

dargon · Jul 10, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Lankster24

Ok theres alot of posts in this thread and no time to read it can i just ask is Guildwars becoming pay to play pay or do we just have to pay for bonus addons. And does it also mean Guildwars One (Proph,Fact,Nightfall) will be updated with addons or will it be left to die once GW:2 is out.

The game is not becoming pay to play, nobody says you have to get the bonus mission pack, it's 4 missions, nothing serious and nothing that is going to give anyone a huge advantage, probably a few new green items that will rapidly find themselves on the market. This bonus is free, the main uproar is that it's free if you spend $29 in the online store during a certain date span, and unfortunately the store has a limited selection of items to buy. I myself don't need anything that is currently available in the store, I have plenty of character slots and I own every game, so the only thing I can do, if I want the bonus, is buy GW:EN through the online store when it comes out rather than at a B&M retailer who may or may not give me a better price. Nobody knows for sure what will exactly happen with GW once GW2 comes out, however it has been stated by several higher ups at ANet that GW will continue to be supported and there is still the possibility that more expansions like GW:EN will be released.

NORTICAT · Jul 10, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

WOW....all i can say is WOW....so much tears and not a tissue in sight.

look..the fact of the matter is....if you want the extra missions you WILL FIND a way to get it.....whether it is by asking mummy or daddy to use the card and youll give them the money...or a friend...or a prepaid credit card...ive used one now for the last 6 months.

if Anet decide to offer this deal OUTSIDE in the stores...I want my money back for the three char I bought to get this pack....why is MY money worth less than yours?

the game is now 2 years old.

its been free to play for 2 years....you HAVE SAVED $359.76 in monthly fees(based of an average MMO model)

you have paid for three campaigns....$150...

now look at WoW...original boxed set $50 and then an expansion ANOTHER 50 dollars. so they pay to play AND PAY FOR EXPANSIONS....MISSIONS.

so technically you guys HAVE SAVED $359.76 over two years.....and now Anet ask for 29 bux for four missions?...geez get a grip...

the company will do what it can to stay VIABLE as a company...if they go broke...guess what happens? NO MORE FREE TO PLAY MMO!

cant believe the outrageous whining that goes on.

ANET DO NOT REPEAL THIS DECISION. I KNOW WHAT A COMPANY NEEDS TO DO. All this moaning is just a sympton of the new demographic of human being...I WANT EVERYTHING AND I DONT WANT TO PAY.

now that being said...just make sure that these missions come out in november.

cmdratz · Jul 10, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Gail, Anet,
Your Bonus Pack certainly has my sincere interest. I do intend on buying Eye of the North. However, I must insist on the common decency of accepting a money order as prepayment through the online store, in order to use it. I would explain this stand further, but I must get ready for work now.

NORTICAT · Jul 10, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

you guys DO know that WESTERN UNION....has a prepaid mastercard that is accepted in the GW store?

Western Union are pretty much worldwide.

i seriously didnt need an extra 3 char slots.....but maybe they will make good mules when GW: EN comes out?

Gli · Jul 10, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by NORTICAT

you guys DO know that WESTERN UNION....has a prepaid mastercard that is accepted in the GW store?

Western Union are pretty much worldwide.

Doesn't seem to be available outside the U.S. and is only accepted in a pathetically small number of countries. Try again.

Lonesamurai · Jul 10, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Gli

Doesn't seem to be available outside the U.S. and is only accepted in a pathetically small number of countries. Try again.

Sorry but that is wrong, most major cities have Western union in the Uk through Royal Mail post offices