Curse

Lafayette · Aug 01, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Anet has to be seen to do something and therefore not implicitly condoning activities that do not comply with the EULA.

Leeching and rage-quitting are more annoying, for me personally at least, but are apparently harder to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Prowlinger

1. Bots Cause Severe Server Lag.

5. Bots Ruin Moral For The Length Of Gameplay.

I never noticed any lag while in Bergen or Elona or Altrumm etc. when scores of bots were there. And, uh, my moral (morale?) has never been ruined by bots.

Mordakai · Aug 01, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).

aaje vhanli · Aug 01, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

aNet's war against bots is just like America's war against drugs (or terror). America wastes money trying to get rid of drugs (or "terrorists") instead of investing that time and effort in occupational opportunities, education and balancing our economy for those who go without. In allusion to the war on terror, the country is trying to police something that is uncontrollable instead of concerning themselves with helping their own people.

The only problem that I see with bots is that aNet finds battling bots more important than balancing PvE for players. aNet claims that bot activity makes casual players have to farm to make gold every casual player whom I know had no problem making honest gold but, after loot-scaling, have to resort to farming to make gold. Isn't this contradictory? In fact, I have also seen MORE bots since loot-scaling than prior to; doesn't that say something as well?

I would like to see aNet's "resources" of such information; presuming they have any.

I agree with everyone with similar opinions: aNet's attack against bots "loot-scaling" has hurt casual players more than bots. Sure, like the bots, I have learned to adapt; but I have to admit that I found the game more enjoyable before all the attention was focused on bots.

Bryant Again · Aug 01, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).

Well it'd hurt eBaying, but there's still a large majority of people who use bots because it's *free*.

Kinn · Aug 01, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).

That would be the "solution" if you wanted to completely kill Guild Wars.

Age · Aug 01, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

I said it before and will again put more gold in the game so that players will make 100K in 2 weeks or a month and won't need to buy gold.Those botters will find their business going down this is the same as if you made all contraband drug legal.Law Enforcement Agencies are losing the War on Drugs why because it is easy to get it in a Country or home grow it.The only way to do this is to stop trade indefinitely but they can't do that as they need overseas goods.

This doesn't stop Anet from stopping trading all they have to do is remove the trade window where you put your gold and just give things away or barter for it.Yeap who cares about bots I don't.

garethporlest18 · Aug 01, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

What is with you people and thinking there's an economy in Guild Wars, there was a time ago, it's dead now.

Anet will not stop bots till Guild Wars is deserted, so they'll just keep banning and bots will just keep coming. They'll try to nerf things, more real folks will leave. Basically bots are like AIDS and eventually they always win! Don't take action and the game will last longer, not comparing that with AIDS because if you don't take action against that, you'll die sooner. However since GW's economy was ruined by the creators, we don't have to worry about bots doing it.

Shuuda · Aug 01, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Pkest

Which completely failed and only hurt casual players imho.

In your opinion, yes, but many others (Me for one) Feel the opposite.

Mordakai's Idea about selling gold would help solve the bot issue, but it's still not very good as people will still be able to buy gold. And all the FoW Ebayers will become Aneters.

@guy above me: Anet introduced the measures that "Killed the economy" in order to stop bots, so it's still in a way the cause of bots (And solo farmers as a whole)

garethporlest18 · Aug 01, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

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@guy above me: Anet introduced the measures that "Killed the economy" in order to stop bots, so it's still in a way the cause of bots (And solo farmers as a whole)

Solo farming was pretty much the only way to make money fast to afford something you wanted. (such as FoW armor). It also gave you something to do after beating the game and not wanting to PvP. So unless Anet puts in 10-30k quest rewards and 500-1500 in gold drops and ups weapons at the merchant to be worth 50-100k. Solo farming won't go away. Well it won't even if they do that. Also bots would just become even worse than, but maybe not because people would be able to afford everything casually.

korcan · Aug 01, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

Korcan if you want evidence that bots cause inflation you should look at other games with heavy botting e.g. Diablo 2. Diablo 2 the inflation got so high with botters(not just proffesionals but players) gold stopped becoming the currency and people purchased items with incredibly rare runes(comparable with superior vigors). Or had to go farm everything themselves.

There were even public bot games where people would team up with a players bot and follow it to get a share of the loot.

Loot scaling was a multi fronted attack against botters.

It greatly reduces the income from a single botter.
It will be incredibly difficult to write a bot that can work in a team.
Costs the botter more money as they need to buy multiple accounts and maybe multiple computers.

Guildwars is inherently much more difficult to bot due to it being 3D and team based but if they dont keep up the fight against botters it will probably spiral out of control, you should be praising Anet.

ive never played d1 or d2 but guildwars isnt a game that gives you any inherent advantage if you are rich. max armor and weapons are all available for fixed prices via traders so no amount of extra gold will change that.

the only perk for being rich in guildwars is strictly cosmetic. unless you consider that an advantage, i dont understand what all the fuss is about.

Shuuda · Aug 01, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by korcan

ive never played d1 or d2 but guildwars isnt a game that gives you any inherent advantage if you are rich. max armor and weapons are all available for fixed prices via traders so no amount of extra gold will change that.

the only perk for being rich in guildwars is strictly cosmetic. unless you consider that an advantage, i dont understand what all the fuss is about.

Well, Good Mods and upgrades cost, and sup vigors. And at 1K each, skills are costly.

Dawgboy · Aug 01, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

I don't care about bots.

I DO care about ANet's ham-handed attempts to combat them.

Sure, the price of a few items like dyes and sup. runes were a little inflated before, but other stuff has a fixed price, like the 5k weapons and 1k for skills. Now that solo farming is in the crapper and gold is harder to come by it makes the stuff I ACTUALLY USE harder to afford. Why should I care if an "uber sword of leetness" costs 100k or 30k?

I'm just glad they didn't wait until after GW;EN came out before they rolled out this loot-scaling "improvement". That makes my decision to buy or not to buy the expansion so much easier.

Sir Green Aluminum · Aug 01, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Bots increase prices by putting more gold into the market and causing inflation. They also increase the number of players going around saying I'm so powerfuls I've got all the armor sets, you sucks you only have regulars. And this is an mmo, who wants to see other people cheat and get what you worked so hard for. If you want to cheat play single player games.

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 02, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Bots aren't the problem it's leechers, leavers, and the whole balance issue. Please spend more time on fixing the game. kthx

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Yeah I forgot, fix Mallyx too.....

Bryant Again · Aug 02, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310

edit:
Yeah I forgot, fix Mallyx too.....

From what I've read, that may be working as intended

:_(

Diablo™ · Aug 02, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Some of us don't ebay gold... but some people do

"The Righteous heart will be tempted when sinners go unpunished."

cellardweller · Aug 02, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

I don't buy gold or trade crap with other players so I could care less about bots.

Couldn't have said it better.

Envious · Aug 02, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Bots don't bother me at all. As long as I'm not the one botting, I have nothing to be afraid of.

Lord Feathers · Aug 02, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Bots are for the greedy, lazy, and selfish. They take away and detract from the game period. What would really fix a lot of botting is for one of these companies to finally SUE one of these bastages that sell the gold / items on ebay. They have an account and they have broken an agreement and they are profitting from something that isn't theirs. Eventually this will happen and I'm going to laugh my ass off !

ainkami · Aug 02, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).

Wrong. Bots & adena farmers will not go away but will just sell for less.

Bots & farmers generally decrease price of common items that can be farmed and increase the price of rare items that can't be farmed. Simple laws of economics.